Welcome to Gaia! ::

Why Not?

Back to Guilds

No rules, just Fun! Join today. 

Tags: Roleplaying, Polls, Spam 

Reply "IDT" Intelligent Discussion Threads!
abortion question Goto Page: [] [<] 1 2 3

Quick Reply

Enter both words below, separated by a space:

Can't read the text? Click here

Submit

[CR3eE B4YB3eE]

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:36 pm


lilraine

ok, first of all YOU need not make this a personal issue. I can tell you are young. second of all, what I explained in that text is the simple fact that people are fallible and you cant blame them for feeling certain feelings. YES it is a selfish attitude, but *as I said* people will feel what they feel. it's a simple fact.


Age is irrelevant to what people think.

In my perspective I belive in pro-life myself, because I treasure all life, no matter the circumstances in which that life came to be.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:10 pm


[CR3eE B4YB3eE]
lilraine

ok, first of all YOU need not make this a personal issue. I can tell you are young. second of all, what I explained in that text is the simple fact that people are fallible and you cant blame them for feeling certain feelings. YES it is a selfish attitude, but *as I said* people will feel what they feel. it's a simple fact.


Age is irrelevant to what people think.

In my perspective I belive in pro-life myself, because I treasure all life, no matter the circumstances in which that life came to be.


Age is the primary determinant for what people think. A young person in modern times will all most undoubtedly hold liberal views. Some will be conservative. A young person (I'm almost 19 and still part of this "young group") should not always be trusted to have formed an informed opinion.

A fetus can not suffer up until 45 days. By most definitions of person, a fetus (or even an infant) is not due moral consideration.

The US Supreme court has upheld, by the 14th amendment, the right to have an abortion up until the point of viability.

The only consistant positions on abortion are the ones that say "no abortion" in all circumstances (even life threatening) and those that say yes in all situations (even if it is just a matter of inconveniance to have the child).

All in-between stands can be debated. All in-between can be proven "wrong." It is impossible to refute the absolutist perspectives.

When arguing that abortion is right, try to prove that God does not exist and therefore can not love. It is impossible.

When arguing that abortion is wrong, try to prove that there is no vestige of a patriarchy at work. If there is a patriarchy, then the goal of the "anti-abortion" side is merely to subvert women, not to "protect life." It is impossible to prove there is no patriarchy, or at least a remnant of a patriarchy.


EDIT: Logic is only a foot in the door. All most the entirety of the argument is then argued from emotions. Logic can lead you any direction you want it to. The strong pro-choice arguement can easily lead to infanticide, for instance... but our emotions hold it back. The strong pro-life side leads to a ban on all forms of contraception and non-reproductive sex. People's desires hold that back.

Khalida Nyoka
Vice Captain


hella uncool

Feral Nerd

10,800 Points
  • Invisibility 100
  • Survivor 150
  • Brandisher 100
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:31 am


if the child is the result of a broken condom or the likes, have the baby. if you don't want to raise it, there's probably another couple out there that would gladly take the child

if you were raped, have the baby and give it to another family if you can't stand it.

if you got pregnant either of those ways and it's a huge threat to your health to be pregnant or to have a child, abort.

that's my opinion plain and simple.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:09 am


thank you Khalida Nyoka. age has a great deal to do with what and how we think. I would say more about it, but you pretty much said it for me lol smile

I'm a realist, not an idealist and I have the ability to see from anothers perspective. I think it's silly to be an idealist in a world far less than ideal. I have my own ideals, yes but I dont model my world around them because well.. that's not realistic. it's not a perfect world and humans are fallible. people are gonna do what they're gonna do when under duress whether it's rational or not. some are stronger than others and can see thru their emotional goop, but most have problems with this.

ultimately, we have no right to tell anyone what to do with their body. and I wont judge a woman because she had an abortion.

Calypsophia


angelkiss98

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:03 am


Hm, this is one topic that a little thought has to be put in to. A lot of it stems from religious beliefs, age, and experience.

I think every woman has the choice to do what she will with her body. I think that just as long as they are within the time limit of the abortion policy it should be okay. I do believe there should be a number limit to weed out those trying to use it as a form of birth control. what that number is I'm not sure to be honest.

I believe that if a woman has been raped (coming from someone that has had that experience) that she should be allowed to do with the baby what she wants as in get an abortion.

Think if you were raped by a family member and got pregnant, and it wasn't just from some stranger, keeping and raising the baby could cause tremendous mental anguish. There is the option of adoption, but would you really want something like that growing inside you?, A reminder of what someone who was suppose to love and care about you did to you?

Now if you have been carrying the baby for over a month and it has been proven that you are pregnant, seeing as how if you are aware of your body it is something that you would notice, and you have not done anything about it, than yes you should keep the baby because you didn't take the time or care about your body enough to find something like that out.

For those that would feel guilt about aborting a child there are medical professionals certified in that kind of field to go to. There are also professionals for those who choose to keep the baby that have sever mental anguish. Choosing or wanting to go to those doctors is a different topic entirely.

I believe a person who is married and has had sex with her husband and has become pregnant should keep the baby, because it was their choice to have sex.

I also believe that if it is a girlfriend/boyfriend situation, where they decided to have sex and the girl is under 18 that she should have to have the baby, but her parents would get custody until she was old enough to raise it herself, because first off the parents should have watched their child more, and second she should have to raise it when she becomes of age because it was her mistake to have sex with someone before she was emotionally ready for it.

In the Christian religion, it is a sin to have premarital sex, and it is also a sin to take a life, so either way they would technically be committing a sin. But, you also have to take in to consideration the part of the bible that says if you ask for forgiveness it shall be given. So even if the woman had an abortion all she would need to do would be ask for forgiveness and really mean it to become one with God again. It works the same way for killers on death row and such. So that is my religious out look on this topic.

Anyway now that I have taken up so much of the page I'll let you read it and comment as you will.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:39 am


that bit about the mothers parents taking care of the baby if the mother is underage... I dont think that's fair. I mean, what if the parents are really old? what if there is only one parent and he/she is seriously sick?

heh, having a child is a BIG responsibility and I dont think the parents of the underage mother should HAVE to become a parent all over again to a new baby all over again, IF they're not up for it.

I have a 15 year old son and I dont plan on having any more kids myself. I got pregnant when I was 21 and now I'm 36 and am pretty excited at the fact that I'm beginning to get my own life back again. If I had a daughter instead of a son, she would be on birth control already... as soon as she started menstruating. the best I can do for my boy is press the importance of condoms and right action.

Calypsophia


angelkiss98

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:21 am


I'm speaking of parents that have not properly taught their children about sex, or supervised them correctly. It's great that if you had a daughter that she would already be on birth control and i'm sure your son know what a condom is for. But I'm talking about those parents who have not educated their kids or watched them properly because that is just like bringing it on themselves.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:25 am


basicly the parents that just let their children run wild. Also if the parent is really sick then other provisions from the underage childs family should be made for the baby obviously.

angelkiss98


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:40 pm


angelkiss98
I'm speaking of parents that have not properly taught their children about sex, or supervised them correctly. It's great that if you had a daughter that she would already be on birth control and i'm sure your son know what a condom is for. But I'm talking about those parents who have not educated their kids or watched them properly because that is just like bringing it on themselves.


yeah, you do have a great point there. ultimately, it is the parents responsibility to empower their children with knowledge, so if they dont this is the consequence. but those who have, or who have tried, and just have stupid kids... I dont think it's fair on the parents provided the parent doesnt WANT to raise another child from scratch. likely, the parent will do so anyway because it's their flesh and blood, in fact I know a few parents who've had to do this .. it just pisses me off. it's a very selfish child who would risk having to put their mother in that kind of position.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:47 pm


see thats why i put the stipulation on age. if their 16 in two years she would have to take care of the child herself. Also she should be government mandated to work at least a part time job to help with the expenses. Really I'm just trying to say that they should at least keep the child in the house, but as soon as the "parent" hits 18 they should have full responsibility for the child. Now if the "parent" is maybe say ... 12 or 13 or something than they should put the child up for adoption. I guess it's more of a situational thing. I remember when I was growing up my grandmother and I monitored my menstrual cycle to make sure it was on time and she even being old fashioned did take me to get the pill and explained sex to be and so forth.


So I guess if the child has not been educated on things like that, then the parents of the child should have to help take care of the baby.

But if the child has been educated, and still manages to go wild and have the baby, then depending on the parents it should be put of for adoption or taken care of from the household that the underage teen is in.

( guess i'm having trouble explaining exactly what i'm trying to say. lilraine
you are a great person to have a debate/discussion with I just want to say biggrin , you do put some more mature perspective into it biggrin ))

angelkiss98


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:57 pm


awww well thank you! biggrin I appreciate you being part of the forum too! you are explaining yourself very well as far as I can see. smile I like it when people bring forth new perspectives.. it makes me think.. helps me grow. thanx for that smile
PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:02 pm


ohh lilraine did you see my response on the "why are teens so depressed segment?"

biggrin

angelkiss98


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:12 pm


nope, havent really posted in that thread.. I'll check it out smile
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:05 pm


A human life is a very powerfull thing, but you must remember. A person should always be free to make their own dessisions you can't be telling other people how to live their lives. Abortion is a very dirty thing, but somtimes it has to be done. Hell even if your baby comes out and it's horrible mangled (like that one missing a quarter of their face or whatever and couldn't talk) or a baby that will grow up unable to do anything should even be killed. It isn't a thing to say "HOW CRUEL!!! *squirm squirm twitch* nyaa~ 4laugh " whats cruel is letting them live in a society where everyone would look down on them with pitty instead of pride where there only a burden on society a mangled deformed thing that could have bine so beatifull.

abortion is neither evil or good it's neither nessisary or unnessisary somtimes it has to be done somtimes it doesn't. really it all depends on the person. Personal choice and freedom.

Gopher dude

Questionable Lover


KHDSFSIRYTIYRTURJHFG

PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:53 pm


generally speaking i don't agree with abortion but there are few exceptions to the rule e.g victims of rape and in cases where the fetus threatens the life of the mother.
Reply
"IDT" Intelligent Discussion Threads!

Goto Page: [] [<] 1 2 3
 
Manage Your Items
Other Stuff
Get GCash
Offers
Get Items
More Items
Where Everyone Hangs Out
Other Community Areas
Virtual Spaces
Fun Stuff
Gaia's Games
Mini-Games
Play with GCash
Play with Platinum