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 Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:47 pm
hateyou the warlock What's wrong with Chabad? Chabad's a wonderful place to learn religion and tradition, but it's absolutely no place to learn science. That's why I've stopped reading Scion's posts. Unfortunately, what he calls "proofs" are nothing new to me -- they're only common ways of bending science to fit older perceptions. That's why I stopped reading Scion's posts. I could easily find all his outdated views elaborated much better on websites like these: http://www.jewishsexuality.com/nocturnal-emissions
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:49 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew ScionoftheBlade In Medias Res IV ScionoftheBlade Btw, I'm trained to read and dissect scientific articles thank you. I'll let you know when you connect me to a reliable one. Ad hom, this doesn't make you automatically reliable or correct. I'm trained in the Classics and I say that Leviticus has nothing to do with homosexuality due to context, but that doesn't change your mind. From a non-jewish perspective I can understand your reasoning. However, jewdiasm is largely based on something called "torah shel bal peh" or "the oral law." Oral law refers to everything except for the actual old testament. As such I follow Rashi as well as the Gemara that teaches me to understand the pasuk a specific way. Finally, a logical arguement smile Nope. wrong. All rational Jews in their right minds can admit that the Torah has been changed. We just roll with what the Masorites said was what it was upposed to mean. Masorah doesn't "change" the torah, it defines it. (e.x. torah says "do not kindle a fire on the shobbos..." doesn't actually just mean no not light fires on shobbos, oral law translates what it actually means.) To clarify, Written law is Torah, Nevi'im, and Ketuvim. (old testament, books of the prophets, and the meggilos) Oral law is Mishnah and Talmud. Mishnah and Talmud beget Gemarah and commentators. Commentators beget Halachah (like Kitzer) Masorah essentially means your halachah as it was passed to you (minhagim and the like)
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:57 pm
Dr. Awkward hateyou the warlock What's wrong with Chabad? Chabad's a wonderful place to learn religion and tradition, but it's absolutely no place to learn science. That's why I've stopped reading Scion's posts. Unfortunately, what he calls "proofs" are nothing new to me -- they're only common ways of bending science to fit older perceptions. That's why I stopped reading Scion's posts. I could easily find all his outdated views elaborated much better on websites like these: http://www.jewishsexuality.com/nocturnal-emissions You don't bring a single proof to your base theory but I'm based on nothing? Its a nice strategy I should remember that.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:21 pm
My favorite subject in school (besides English) is Biology. But here is one interesting question that I haven't found the answer to yet.
The cells in the human body all have the same DNA, (With the exception of one that has only half the chromosomes) since they were originally the same cell or desended from that single cell, what tells the cell what its job is and exactly how to do it?
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:12 pm
hateyou the warlock My favorite subject in school (besides English) is Biology. But here is one interesting question that I haven't found the answer to yet. The cells in the human body all have the same DNA, (With the exception of one that has only half the chromosomes) since they were originally the same cell or desended from that single cell, what tells the cell what its job is and exactly how to do it? It's a chemical called R.N.A. http://www.rnabase.org/primer/
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:50 am
Dr. Awkward hateyou the warlock My favorite subject in school (besides English) is Biology. But here is one interesting question that I haven't found the answer to yet. The cells in the human body all have the same DNA, (With the exception of one that has only half the chromosomes) since they were originally the same cell or descended from that single cell, what tells the cell what its job is and exactly how to do it? It's a chemical called R.N.A. http://www.rnabase.org/primer/ Quote: 2. What does RNA do in cells? RNA serves a multitude of roles in living cells. These include: serving as a temporary copy of genes that is used as a template for protein synthesis (mRNA), functioning as adaptor molecules that decode the genetic code (tRNA) and catalyzing the synthesis of proteins (rRNA). There is much evidence implicating RNA structure in biological regulation and catalysis. Interestingly, RNA is the only biological polymer that serves as both a catalyst (like proteins) and as information storage (like DNA). For this reason, it has be postulated RNA, or an RNA-like molecule, was the basis of life early in evolution. The only part that I would think would indicate what the cell should do would be "functioning as adaptor molecules that decode the genetic code (tRNA)" Even so, I would not say that I am satisfied. But I have posed the question before my teacher and await further response beyond the original amwser my teacher gave me.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:03 pm
hateyou the warlock Dr. Awkward hateyou the warlock My favorite subject in school (besides English) is Biology. But here is one interesting question that I haven't found the answer to yet. The cells in the human body all have the same DNA, (With the exception of one that has only half the chromosomes) since they were originally the same cell or descended from that single cell, what tells the cell what its job is and exactly how to do it? It's a chemical called R.N.A. http://www.rnabase.org/primer/ Quote: 2. What does RNA do in cells? RNA serves a multitude of roles in living cells. These include: serving as a temporary copy of genes that is used as a template for protein synthesis (mRNA), functioning as adaptor molecules that decode the genetic code (tRNA) and catalyzing the synthesis of proteins (rRNA). There is much evidence implicating RNA structure in biological regulation and catalysis. Interestingly, RNA is the only biological polymer that serves as both a catalyst (like proteins) and as information storage (like DNA). For this reason, it has be postulated RNA, or an RNA-like molecule, was the basis of life early in evolution. The only part that I would think would indicate what the cell should do would be "functioning as adaptor molecules that decode the genetic code (tRNA)" Even so, I would not say that I am satisfied. But I have posed the question before my teacher and await further response beyond the original amwser my teacher gave me. Just to warn you, in order to fully understand all of it, you have to stray a little outside the field of biology and into the subject of chemistry, on which biology heavily relies. That'll give you some more insight into aspects like protein synthesis, which are vital.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:04 pm
That and move past the grade I'm in, technically last years science class was Life Science, I went into deeper biology using some college textbooks I received.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:33 pm
I'm glad I never posted in this thread. After reading, I think I agree with Dr. Awkward on most of this stuff.
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Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:15 pm
Please tell me then the purpose of passuk Leviticus 18:22
And if you believe that we value Rashi as a rabbinic authority explain to me his interpretation of what happened to Onun
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:43 pm
I'm staying out of this. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:09 pm
Homosexuality can't possibly be acceptable for Jewish people. HaShem designed things in an "opposites react" type way. Whether it be the chemistry between a proton and an electron or the creation of man and woman... the same isn't meant to be apart of each other...
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:24 pm
iJew_Intelligence101, your opinion may be valid or not, depending on one's interpretation of the Torah texts. My rav happens to disagree with you, but that's not the thing I want to address. The point is, your reasoning behind the opinion isn't really on point. "Opposites attract" isn't Torah. A bird may love a fish, but how would they build a home together? A Jew may love a non-Jew, but their union isn't what Jewish tradition favors. "Opposites attract" is in fact contrary to Torah-centered traditions. What Torah counsels is not opposition, but balance.
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:03 pm
Divash iJew_Intelligence101, your opinion may be valid or not, depending on one's interpretation of the Torah texts. My rav happens to disagree with you, but that's not the thing I want to address. The point is, your reasoning behind the opinion isn't really on point. "Opposites attract" isn't Torah. A bird may love a fish, but how would they build a home together? A Jew may love a non-Jew, but their union isn't what Jewish tradition favors. "Opposites attract" is in fact contrary to Torah-centered traditions. What Torah counsels is not opposition, but balance. Well... you took hypothetical situations to situations in real life that couldn't hypothetically happen and created the imbalance. For example, sure a bird and a fish can't mutually have sex (which is what you may have been referring to)... but the bird COULD in fact eat the fish... leading the Bird to have attraction to the fish... just of a different essence... completely invalidating the point in which you were using to invalidate my own. lawl. In context of Torah, I was referring to more of a "Genesis" of opposites attracting. Such as night and day, opposite in nature, yet highly apart of our world's make-up. Male and Female, Land and Sea, Plant and Animal, Child and Adult, etc. Those opposites are TRUE opposites that can't be reversed simply because a trend of people wish for those undeniable facts to be changed. So day can't become night (metaphorically speaking of course, not scientifically), etc, etc. My ravi (despite barely talking to him much) tends to agree with this view that since creation, God has made opposites that attract and are deeply apart of the world's truths. Such as an issue of homosexuality. If homosexuality was God-designed, and HaShem truly wrapped creation into more than one type of person... why does homosexuality not produce offspring? Without getting into the literal details, you can easily see that perhaps there's a disconnect... which gives arguments against homosexuality cause and greater reason for questioning.
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:30 pm
@iJew: But, then, why would G-d bring two people of the same sex together in love the way He does?
Why would G-d create two men or two women who are so perfect for eachother and who love eachother so dearly?
For the same reason G-d creates floods and earthquakes? A balance of good things and evil things?
No.
As they say, Love is love.
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