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Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:37 pm


Arm Chair, stop trying to use big words. Please.

The concept of time is man-made. It is something we use to order events; that isn't to say time doesn't exist, or that it is rock solid, because we know it does, and that it isn't. Time is subjective.

And you ignored all of his argument to focus on one statement. That's very bad form.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:02 pm


Dis Domnu
To Armchair: Why do you think religion can not embrace science? If you ever read the Torah, you'll see that it writes about what science has only recently told us; first life started in the oceans, then it came to the land, and after this man came to be. Man is even said to be made of the dust of the earth, clearly saying mankind is made from the same stuff as the earth, and we now know that all things are made of chemicals and atoms, the same stuff that's in man can be found in the earth (Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc).

If you read with your mind already made up, then yes religion will never mesh with science for you, but if you read with an open mind you'll be surprised by what you find.
Hello. A question for you first before I start yours. Why do you think philosophy and science went there own ways six hundred years ago, and why do you think the sole reason of this was? What was trying to be avoid when hey were thought as one in the same that mad the train of thought get in the way of this?

Now on to you. From geological testing you will find that a world of water in primal earth was not possible, nor did I see how that water came to be. Water came from geological activity and from space such as comets. There was land before there was water, over eons water mass built up and earth finally cooled. What I did see was "God" created a arch to hold back the water from space. What keeps water on earth is the earths mass God would not have gone crazy since he so called create the universe, after all he would be the best mathematician of all then. Yet hes saying the earth has no mass to hold the water in place so he holds it back, not odd for him but hes breaking his own creation after all that is a paradoxical issue.

God said, "Let the great light and the small light appear in heaven to govern day and night...."

So God's saying he made the sun in the moon right? Well if that is so, then that would be wrong on the sun's part and the moon. In fact the moon is younger than the earth as this suggests, but not the sun. Though the moon is most likely created from a Mars impact with earth that created it and another moonlit.


I read then make my mind or read again to see if my mind is concluded, I have read parts of the Jewish texts, not all may I say. I know enough that most were taken out of the Christian Bible due to separate faiths when it was first created to be a separate religion.

Angry Arm Chair


Angry Arm Chair

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:07 pm


Dis Domnu
Arm Chair, stop trying to use big words. Please.

The concept of time is man-made. It is something we use to order events; that isn't to say time doesn't exist, or that it is rock solid, because we know it does, and that it isn't. Time is subjective.

And you ignored all of his argument to focus on one statement. That's very bad form.
Time is not man made, you see the numbers, what is past the numbers is a object or a transversal of a object in plane moving. That is time and space or a space time grid; time is measured to help us understand that object, since time by us is not used in a energy, velocity or force since that has been defined already. which leaves us unites. But that is a human sense of time not the matter of space.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:29 pm


Angry Arm Chair
Dis Domnu
To Armchair: Why do you think religion can not embrace science? If you ever read the Torah, you'll see that it writes about what science has only recently told us; first life started in the oceans, then it came to the land, and after this man came to be. Man is even said to be made of the dust of the earth, clearly saying mankind is made from the same stuff as the earth, and we now know that all things are made of chemicals and atoms, the same stuff that's in man can be found in the earth (Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, etc).

If you read with your mind already made up, then yes religion will never mesh with science for you, but if you read with an open mind you'll be surprised by what you find.
Hello. A question for you first before I start yours. Why do you think philosophy and science went there own ways six hundred years ago, and why do you think the sole reason of this was? What was trying to be avoid when hey were thought as one in the same that mad the train of thought get in the way of this?


Science hasn't gone its way from philosophy. Philosophy is still intimately entwined with science. Why do you think the two are distinct and separate?

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Now on to you. From geological testing you will find that a world of water in primal earth was not possible


The primeval waters did, in fact, exist. Did they always exist? Of course not. But they existed before, and when, life was created.

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nor did I see how that water came to be. Water came from geological activity and from space such as comets.


Do you, perchance, have links to scientific studies, articles, etc, that show how water came to be on Earth?

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There was land before there was water, over eons water mass built up and earth finally cooled.


I don't know if I'd call lava land.

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What I did see was "God" created a arch to hold back the water from space. What keeps water on earth is the earths mass God would not have gone crazy since he so called create the universe, after all he would be the best mathematician of all then. Yet hes saying the earth has no mass to hold the water in place so he holds it back, not odd for him but hes breaking his own creation after all that is a paradoxical issue.


I've not read such a verse. Do you happen to know its name?

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God said, "Let the great light and the small light appear in heaven to govern day and night...."

So God's saying he made the sun in the moon right? Well if that is so, then that would be wrong on the sun's part and the moon. In fact the moon is younger than the earth as this suggests, but not the sun. Though the moon is most likely created from a Mars impact with earth that created it and another moonlit.


We don't really know what created the moon. There have been lots of theories, from a massive collision, to a planet getting caught by Earth's gravity. By the way, your quote is not found in Genesis. There are verses of "Let there be Light" (Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 3) and the verses of "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also" (Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 16). I think you're having issues in that you aren't getting proper quotes, and thus have a distorted view.

Dis Domnu


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:32 pm


Angry Arm Chair
Dis Domnu
Arm Chair, stop trying to use big words. Please.

The concept of time is man-made. It is something we use to order events; that isn't to say time doesn't exist, or that it is rock solid, because we know it does, and that it isn't. Time is subjective.

And you ignored all of his argument to focus on one statement. That's very bad form.
Time is not man made, you see the numbers, what is past the numbers is a object or a transversal of a object in plane moving. That is time and space or a space time grid; time is measured to help us understand that object, since time by us is not used in a energy, velocity or force since that has been defined already. which leaves us unites. But that is a human sense of time not the matter of space.


Time is a man-made concept. It is not rock solid. We believe, via science, that the rules of time are not uniform across the universe. Time at a singularity is different from time on Earth. Clearly time affects different things in different ways.

Why then must G-d be forced to follow the rules of time as they pertain to human life on Earth?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:33 pm


Dis Domnu
Angry Arm Chair
Dis Domnu
Arm Chair, stop trying to use big words. Please.

The concept of time is man-made. It is something we use to order events; that isn't to say time doesn't exist, or that it is rock solid, because we know it does, and that it isn't. Time is subjective.

And you ignored all of his argument to focus on one statement. That's very bad form.
Time is not man made, you see the numbers, what is past the numbers is a object or a transversal of a object in plane moving. That is time and space or a space time grid; time is measured to help us understand that object, since time by us is not used in a energy, velocity or force since that has been defined already. which leaves us unites. But that is a human sense of time not the matter of space.


Time is a man-made concept. It is not rock solid. We believe, via science, that the rules of time are not uniform across the universe. Time at a singularity is different from time on Earth. Clearly time affects different things in different ways.

Why then must G-d be forced to follow the rules of time as they pertain to human life on Earth?
Again time is expressed in unites, because thats all it can be for a human protective, but its correlated with a space grid as it fits with it and without it it breaks down. Time is from the prospective of the viewer and it's not man made because animals and plants also use time. Ovulation to migration, to sporifaction all use time. Time is movement or change in prospective of the universe as a object transverses in it. Clocks measure our time to that on earth, light speed and such. Measured as you know my the rotation of earth on in axis and orbit around the sun. As you and I said time is based upon the observer, that does not mean time is man-made, since ET observers our time as theirs only in a different way, then again this is biomechincal time, since we use ourselves to access the time in that area. Were ever times goes light has been there; time is many things. We use it in units, that does not mean that all time is past what we see it as.

Whatever or lack of a God is, use what stated above. Yet God uses it to see or transverse through space or uses it as means to control it. But this is not science it's metaphysics and getting into this by science means the break down of it.

Angry Arm Chair


kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:16 pm


In my quite professional opinion, I think you saying all of this, Arm Chair, is quite fine. However, and this is speaking for myself, if you want to come in here and try to rationalize something with unplanned and unthought out "scientific" explainations, take into consideration who you're talking to. Most of us believe in a Divine Creator, and though I have no fancy education in the matter of creation, no links to support my beliefs, or basically anything except for what I know to be the truth, I believe you should really just stop talking. There's no use in beating a dead horse honey, and that's exactly what you're doing.

Of course, you're entitled to your debate, I'm just stating that you probably won't get anywhere with what YOU'RE stating. (except maybe embarassment) confused
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:42 pm


kingpinsqeezels
In my quite professional opinion, I think you saying all of this, Arm Chair, is quite fine. However, and this is speaking for myself, if you want to come in here and try to rationalize something with unplanned and unthought out "scientific" explainations, take into consideration who you're talking to. Most of us believe in a Divine Creator, and though I have no fancy education in the matter of creation, no links to support my beliefs, or basically anything except for what I know to be the truth, I believe you should really just stop talking. There's no use in beating a dead horse honey, and that's exactly what you're doing.

Of course, you're entitled to your debate, I'm just stating that you probably won't get anywhere with what YOU'RE stating. (except maybe embarassment) confused
The more I talk on disagreeing the more I see what you believe in. My point is not to offend but how you differ. Asking a question is simple disagreeing is harder in more in detail.

Angry Arm Chair


kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:12 pm


Angry Arm Chair
The more I talk on disagreeing the more I see what you believe in. My point is not to offend but how you differ. Asking a question is simple disagreeing is harder in more in detail.
Well still. It's obviously not that hard to see what we believe in, after all, you are in the Jewish Gaians Guild. I have no problem with you wanting to find out more of what we believe in, but I think here it's pretty obvious, right?

If this sounds like I'm being bitchy, I'm not...I just come off that way often.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:02 pm


Lol...Angry Arm Chair, you are an idiot. Time is a man made thing. Just because stuff progresses, such as the dieing of the human body (commonly known as aging), that does not mean man did not create time. Man created time so he could record events in sequantial order and keep track of his own existance. It is simply a way to preserve man's own existance, and a way to compare events.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:24 pm


[Raito]
Lol...Angry Arm Chair, you are an idiot. Time is a man made thing. Just because stuff progresses, such as the dieing of the human body (commonly known as aging), that does not mean man did not create time. Man created time so he could record events in sequantial order and keep track of his own existance. It is simply a way to preserve man's own existance, and a way to compare events.


Hi, just want to say two things. First, you have a logical argument about time being a man made thing. Second, you shouldn't call anyone an idiot, especially if you don't know how to spell the word "dying."

...and it's sequencial not sequantail, and existence is spelled with an E.

but it is a logical argument on existentialism.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:31 pm


Wow...I'm gone for all of 9 days, and this is what happened? *sigh* Where to begin...

Arm Chair: I'm not even bothering to read all of your posts, as from everybody else's response, you're not really presenting your points in a nice or logical manner and I'm still tired from stupid time changes. Please stop insulting other people and their beliefs. Also, how could Jewish text be taken out of the Christian bible? Chronological order here. Anyway, a warning to please watch what and how you say in the future.

Raito: Please respect everybody's beliefs, and don't call people idiots.

Thank you. :3

Please be nice to each other people- there's enough hatred and violence in the world already without us adding to it...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 7:50 pm


LordNeuf
[Raito]
Lol...Angry Arm Chair, you are an idiot. Time is a man made thing. Just because stuff progresses, such as the dieing of the human body (commonly known as aging), that does not mean man did not create time. Man created time so he could record events in sequantial order and keep track of his own existance. It is simply a way to preserve man's own existance, and a way to compare events.


Hi, just want to say two things. First, you have a logical argument about time being a man made thing. Second, you shouldn't call anyone an idiot, especially if you don't know how to spell the word "dying."

...and it's sequencial not sequantail, and existence is spelled with an E.

but it is a logical argument on existentialism.


Sorry, I was typing really fast. Next time I'll spend a little more time disproving someone, so I can make sure that everything I spell is just right.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:34 am


*Thud* Please read the post above you. xp

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Angry Arm Chair

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:14 am


[Raito]
Lol...Angry Arm Chair, you are an idiot. Time is a man made thing. Just because stuff progresses, such as the dieing of the human body (commonly known as aging), that does not mean man did not create time. Man created time so he could record events in sequantial order and keep track of his own existance. It is simply a way to preserve man's own existance, and a way to compare events.
Your right I am one along with all the others who in the sciences think of this as that. Again your thinking of time as unites time is not just unites, man uses to measure time is not just uses in measurements. Time is a woven with space that correlates with it, time is passing. Man uses this as a means to measure it. Get it? Man did not create time in a non based unite sense no, since it was already there, were space is time follows and were time is space is. How we purpose space in a matter of use is man made. It's like taking a rock, which formed naturally and man came and made statues out of it. What do we get is a statue man made, but is the rock man made from the statue?
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