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 Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:54 pm
xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai kuroi_okami Rikku Takarai ORIGINAL!!! There is nothing to say about KH's Cloud but literally, "..." OR "dot dot dot" Whichever you prefer. I can't pinpoint what EXACTLY is wrong about him, but it's just wrong... I don't know what the deal is with the AC Cloud. He turned completely different and... emo. It's like, come on.. he was NOT like that in the game. He had a personality in the game, but he's just a whiney depressed so called hero in the movie. Cloud wasn't the biggest speaker in the game, but he talked, dammit!! He barely said anything of importance in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I did like the movie. But I wonder why they messed Cloud up like that. I bet he has a loss of fans just because of that. LMAO I agree. The ORIGINAL Cloud is better. In the game, he had a cool personality that I respected. Now as for AC, I was VERY disapointed with that film. It pissed me off!!! I wanted a actual game sequel with a better story!! AC storyline was whack and boring!! However, the AC Cloud is stronger. In AC: Stronger-- yes cooler-- NO. Oh gods.. with the endless depression and silent whines. UGH! What happened to the kickass dude from the game?! Don't give me the emo Cloud-- NOOOOOO!!! *insert dramatic scream here* lol But I actually love the movie. >.> I guess that ran out of twists though. confused Yeah, but it coulda been better. The only thing I didn't like about it was: 1.) Clouds attitude 2.) Lack of airtime for the other party members. Sure, they came around to help with Bahamut, but who STILL took all the credit for beating it? Cloud.... That's not fair. They were all like, "HEY LOOK! Cloud's back! Lets sit back and stop fighting for no good reason to let him take care of it." * Yuffie: *pulls out popcorn and shares with the others* ...... wtf? LOL I agree, some of the same things you didn't like about film pissed me off too! Oh, and I didn't say the AC Cloud was cooler... I said the Original had cool personality and was better compared to the AC Cloud... sweatdrop I agree with all of this!I mean,wtf man,sure,he's the so-called "main character" in the movie,but it's not all about Cloud dammit!Yuffie,Barret,Cid,Nanaki,and Cait Sith were all ignored!Hell,even Marlene and Denzel had more screentime than them and they're practically harmless!What the hell is up with THAT?! And why the ******** do they change Cloud's personality in the movie?!I mean,he JUST became more upbeat again somewhere in the end of the game and then he officially falls into the emo-prissy catergory just a few minutes of his first time in the movie!That's just not right! And why make the poor guy weak in KH?!Sure,I love the game,but WHY have US do all the work and then Cloud finishes Sephiroth off?!That's just glory hogging and retarded right there. Original dammit,Original.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:29 pm
Thank you all for your opponions and it is very intresting. I personially think if they put the original Cloud in the high tech awesome looking way of the one fromAC then no one cloud would be better then him. The original Cloud is the best Cloud.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:33 pm
yunachi xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai kuroi_okami Rikku Takarai ORIGINAL!!! There is nothing to say about KH's Cloud but literally, "..." OR "dot dot dot" Whichever you prefer. I can't pinpoint what EXACTLY is wrong about him, but it's just wrong... I don't know what the deal is with the AC Cloud. He turned completely different and... emo. It's like, come on.. he was NOT like that in the game. He had a personality in the game, but he's just a whiney depressed so called hero in the movie. Cloud wasn't the biggest speaker in the game, but he talked, dammit!! He barely said anything of importance in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I did like the movie. But I wonder why they messed Cloud up like that. I bet he has a loss of fans just because of that. LMAO I agree. The ORIGINAL Cloud is better. In the game, he had a cool personality that I respected. Now as for AC, I was VERY disapointed with that film. It pissed me off!!! I wanted a actual game sequel with a better story!! AC storyline was whack and boring!! However, the AC Cloud is stronger. In AC: Stronger-- yes cooler-- NO. Oh gods.. with the endless depression and silent whines. UGH! What happened to the kickass dude from the game?! Don't give me the emo Cloud-- NOOOOOO!!! *insert dramatic scream here* lol But I actually love the movie. >.> I guess that ran out of twists though. confused Yeah, but it coulda been better. The only thing I didn't like about it was: 1.) Clouds attitude 2.) Lack of airtime for the other party members. Sure, they came around to help with Bahamut, but who STILL took all the credit for beating it? Cloud.... That's not fair. They were all like, "HEY LOOK! Cloud's back! Lets sit back and stop fighting for no good reason to let him take care of it." * Yuffie: *pulls out popcorn and shares with the others* ...... wtf? LOL I agree, some of the same things you didn't like about film pissed me off too! Oh, and I didn't say the AC Cloud was cooler... I said the Original had cool personality and was better compared to the AC Cloud... sweatdrop I agree with all of this!I mean,wtf man,sure,he's the so-called "main character" in the movie,but it's not all about Cloud dammit!Yuffie,Barret,Cid,Nanaki,and Cait Sith were all ignored!Hell,even Marlene and Denzel had more screentime than them and they're practically harmless!What the hell is up with THAT?! And why the ******** do they change Cloud's personality in the movie?!I mean,he JUST became more upbeat again somewhere in the end of the game and then he officially falls into the emo-prissy catergory just a few minutes of his first time in the movie!That's just not right! And why make the poor guy weak in KH?!Sure,I love the game,but WHY have US do all the work and then Cloud finishes Sephiroth off?!That's just glory hogging and retarded right there. Original dammit,Original. hahaha!!! okay first off, what pissed me off the most was Cait Sith and Red Cid's voices! I never in my life thought thier voices would sound like that... Cait Sith wouldn't sound Scottish to me, and Red XIII sure as hell shouldn't sound like a punk a** b***h!!! I don't think the other characters needed screentime.. ******** it, let alone a movie. FFVII was perfect the way it was, and it already had a conclusion so I don't see any real purpose of Advent Children... Now as for Cloud's personality in AC....pure bulls***t. I agree he acts like a little 'ol Emo b***h ,and why they changed his personallity? I don't know....but I DO know I hated him and my respect for him went down ALOT! and KH well I don't like KH anymore. I did beat Sephiroth in both games but I enjoied watchin' their cutseen battles so I didn't mind the ''glory hogging'' XD Now what's retarded is the fact that Cloud is weaker than Sora... f****n' ridiculous.... I was pissed off about that, but now I really don't care for that or the game, its whateva to me...
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:42 pm
xXxKuroi OkamixXx yunachi xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai kuroi_okami Rikku Takarai ORIGINAL!!! There is nothing to say about KH's Cloud but literally, "..." OR "dot dot dot" Whichever you prefer. I can't pinpoint what EXACTLY is wrong about him, but it's just wrong... I don't know what the deal is with the AC Cloud. He turned completely different and... emo. It's like, come on.. he was NOT like that in the game. He had a personality in the game, but he's just a whiney depressed so called hero in the movie. Cloud wasn't the biggest speaker in the game, but he talked, dammit!! He barely said anything of importance in the movie. Don't get me wrong, I did like the movie. But I wonder why they messed Cloud up like that. I bet he has a loss of fans just because of that. LMAO I agree. The ORIGINAL Cloud is better. In the game, he had a cool personality that I respected. Now as for AC, I was VERY disapointed with that film. It pissed me off!!! I wanted a actual game sequel with a better story!! AC storyline was whack and boring!! However, the AC Cloud is stronger. In AC: Stronger-- yes cooler-- NO. Oh gods.. with the endless depression and silent whines. UGH! What happened to the kickass dude from the game?! Don't give me the emo Cloud-- NOOOOOO!!! *insert dramatic scream here* lol But I actually love the movie. >.> I guess that ran out of twists though. confused Yeah, but it coulda been better. The only thing I didn't like about it was: 1.) Clouds attitude 2.) Lack of airtime for the other party members. Sure, they came around to help with Bahamut, but who STILL took all the credit for beating it? Cloud.... That's not fair. They were all like, "HEY LOOK! Cloud's back! Lets sit back and stop fighting for no good reason to let him take care of it." * Yuffie: *pulls out popcorn and shares with the others* ...... wtf? LOL I agree, some of the same things you didn't like about film pissed me off too! Oh, and I didn't say the AC Cloud was cooler... I said the Original had cool personality and was better compared to the AC Cloud... sweatdrop I agree with all of this!I mean,wtf man,sure,he's the so-called "main character" in the movie,but it's not all about Cloud dammit!Yuffie,Barret,Cid,Nanaki,and Cait Sith were all ignored!Hell,even Marlene and Denzel had more screentime than them and they're practically harmless!What the hell is up with THAT?! And why the ******** do they change Cloud's personality in the movie?!I mean,he JUST became more upbeat again somewhere in the end of the game and then he officially falls into the emo-prissy catergory just a few minutes of his first time in the movie!That's just not right! And why make the poor guy weak in KH?!Sure,I love the game,but WHY have US do all the work and then Cloud finishes Sephiroth off?!That's just glory hogging and retarded right there. Original dammit,Original. hahaha!!! okay first off, what pissed me off the most was Cait Sith and Red Cid's voices! I never in my life thought thier voices would sound like that... Cait Sith wouldn't sound Scottish to me, and Red XIII sure as hell shouldn't sound like a punk a** b***h!!! I don't think the other characters needed screentime.. ******** it, let alone a movie. FFVII was perfect the way it was, and it already had a conclusion so I don't see any real purpose of Advent Children... Now as for Cloud's personality in AC....pure bulls***t. I agree he acts like a little 'ol Emo b***h ,and why they changed his personallity? I don't know....but I DO know I hated him and my respect for him went down ALOT! and KH well I don't like KH anymore. I did beat Sephiroth in both games but I enjoied watchin' their cutseen battles so I didn't mind the ''glory hogging'' XD Now what's retarded is the fact that Cloud is weaker than Sora... f****n' ridiculous.... I was pissed off about that, but now I really don't care for that or the game, its whateva to me... Yeah, the personality change was definitely for the worse. And for those who are like, "Cloud was like that the whole time in the game!!" BUZZ-- WRONG! he was never really emo or confused, full of doubt, or just downright bitchy in the game... except for that part when he handed Sephiroth the Black materia. After that he was-- but only for a little while. Hell, it seems like he took that a lot worse than Aeris dying. XD sweatdrop (Sad, but I think it's true) I love KH and all, and you know, it never bothered me THAT much. I do think it's complete bull. Not the glory hog thing- but the fact that he can beat Sephiroth at all. Makes you think... But it never bugged me that after you finish fighting Sephiroth, he's still there and claims that only Cloud can defeat him.... which reminds me... Question for all. maybe my memory is rusty or something... but... I don't recall Sephiroth being so 'Cloud Obsessed' in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, but eh... In KH all he ever talked about was "Cloud this" and "Cloud that" THATS what bugged me. Why would he even care? Can someone refresh my memory, or do I have the right to be bugged by that?
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:24 pm
Seriously. Cloud's only real reason that he went all emo in AC was that he got the Geostigma and didn't want Tifa or the kids to know about it. He was running. Why? Whe the crap knows. He's so sensitive...sheesh.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:25 pm
Rikku Takarai xXxKuroi OkamixXx yunachi xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai In AC: Stronger-- yes cooler-- NO. Oh gods.. with the endless depression and silent whines. UGH! What happened to the kickass dude from the game?! Don't give me the emo Cloud-- NOOOOOO!!! *insert dramatic scream here* lol But I actually love the movie. >.> I guess that ran out of twists though. confused Yeah, but it coulda been better. The only thing I didn't like about it was: 1.) Clouds attitude 2.) Lack of airtime for the other party members. Sure, they came around to help with Bahamut, but who STILL took all the credit for beating it? Cloud.... That's not fair. They were all like, "HEY LOOK! Cloud's back! Lets sit back and stop fighting for no good reason to let him take care of it." * Yuffie: *pulls out popcorn and shares with the others* ...... wtf? LOL I agree, some of the same things you didn't like about film pissed me off too! Oh, and I didn't say the AC Cloud was cooler... I said the Original had cool personality and was better compared to the AC Cloud... sweatdrop I agree with all of this!I mean,wtf man,sure,he's the so-called "main character" in the movie,but it's not all about Cloud dammit!Yuffie,Barret,Cid,Nanaki,and Cait Sith were all ignored!Hell,even Marlene and Denzel had more screentime than them and they're practically harmless!What the hell is up with THAT?! And why the ******** do they change Cloud's personality in the movie?!I mean,he JUST became more upbeat again somewhere in the end of the game and then he officially falls into the emo-prissy catergory just a few minutes of his first time in the movie!That's just not right! And why make the poor guy weak in KH?!Sure,I love the game,but WHY have US do all the work and then Cloud finishes Sephiroth off?!That's just glory hogging and retarded right there. Original dammit,Original. hahaha!!! okay first off, what pissed me off the most was Cait Sith and Red Cid's voices! I never in my life thought thier voices would sound like that... Cait Sith wouldn't sound Scottish to me, and Red XIII sure as hell shouldn't sound like a punk a** b***h!!! I don't think the other characters needed screentime.. ******** it, let alone a movie. FFVII was perfect the way it was, and it already had a conclusion so I don't see any real purpose of Advent Children... Now as for Cloud's personality in AC....pure bulls***t. I agree he acts like a little 'ol Emo b***h ,and why they changed his personallity? I don't know....but I DO know I hated him and my respect for him went down ALOT! and KH well I don't like KH anymore. I did beat Sephiroth in both games but I enjoied watchin' their cutseen battles so I didn't mind the ''glory hogging'' XD Now what's retarded is the fact that Cloud is weaker than Sora... f****n' ridiculous.... I was pissed off about that, but now I really don't care for that or the game, its whateva to me... Yeah, the personality change was definitely for the worse. And for those who are like, "Cloud was like that the whole time in the game!!" BUZZ-- WRONG! he was never really emo or confused, full of doubt, or just downright bitchy in the game... except for that part when he handed Sephiroth the Black materia. After that he was-- but only for a little while. Hell, it seems like he took that a lot worse than Aeris dying. XD sweatdrop (Sad, but I think it's true) I love KH and all, and you know, it never bothered me THAT much. I do think it's complete bull. Not the glory hog thing- but the fact that he can beat Sephiroth at all. Makes you think... But it never bugged me that after you finish fighting Sephiroth, he's still there and claims that only Cloud can defeat him.... which reminds me... Question for all. maybe my memory is rusty or something... but... I don't recall Sephiroth being so 'Cloud Obsessed' in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, but eh... In KH all he ever talked about was "Cloud this" and "Cloud that" THATS what bugged me. Why would he even care? Can someone refresh my memory, or do I have the right to be bugged by that? Sephiroth was not obessed with Cloud in the Original game. In KH they only did that to draw out the whole ''light vs. dark'' theme. The main reason that bugged me was because Sephiroth kept coming back for NO real reason when you think about it. Cloud already defeated him, so there really was no true reason to keep bringing him back.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:08 pm
definitely the original cloud
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:22 pm
Kairi_12 Seriously. Cloud's only real reason that he went all emo in AC was that he got the Geostigma and didn't want Tifa or the kids to know about it. He was running. Why? Whe the crap knows. He's so sensitive...sheesh. But since it was apparent that he had been 'evading' everyone for a long time, it was more than just the geostigma (or not letting anyone find out). Thats a crappy excuse! scream DAMN YOU SQUARE!! In the movie, they drove too far in the 'quiet strong hero' pocket... .... Maybe the original person who wrote his lines quit or something... >.> 'Cause the Cloud in AC just wasn't... Cloud. *sigh* crying I wonder how it would have gone if they had the kick a** Cloud instead of the emo one?
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:26 pm
xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai xXxKuroi OkamixXx yunachi xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai In AC: Stronger-- yes cooler-- NO. Oh gods.. with the endless depression and silent whines. UGH! What happened to the kickass dude from the game?! Don't give me the emo Cloud-- NOOOOOO!!! *insert dramatic scream here* lol But I actually love the movie. >.> I guess that ran out of twists though. confused Yeah, but it coulda been better. The only thing I didn't like about it was: 1.) Clouds attitude 2.) Lack of airtime for the other party members. Sure, they came around to help with Bahamut, but who STILL took all the credit for beating it? Cloud.... That's not fair. They were all like, "HEY LOOK! Cloud's back! Lets sit back and stop fighting for no good reason to let him take care of it." * Yuffie: *pulls out popcorn and shares with the others* ...... wtf? LOL I agree, some of the same things you didn't like about film pissed me off too! Oh, and I didn't say the AC Cloud was cooler... I said the Original had cool personality and was better compared to the AC Cloud... sweatdrop I agree with all of this!I mean,wtf man,sure,he's the so-called "main character" in the movie,but it's not all about Cloud dammit!Yuffie,Barret,Cid,Nanaki,and Cait Sith were all ignored!Hell,even Marlene and Denzel had more screentime than them and they're practically harmless!What the hell is up with THAT?! And why the ******** do they change Cloud's personality in the movie?!I mean,he JUST became more upbeat again somewhere in the end of the game and then he officially falls into the emo-prissy catergory just a few minutes of his first time in the movie!That's just not right! And why make the poor guy weak in KH?!Sure,I love the game,but WHY have US do all the work and then Cloud finishes Sephiroth off?!That's just glory hogging and retarded right there. Original dammit,Original. hahaha!!! okay first off, what pissed me off the most was Cait Sith and Red Cid's voices! I never in my life thought thier voices would sound like that... Cait Sith wouldn't sound Scottish to me, and Red XIII sure as hell shouldn't sound like a punk a** b***h!!! I don't think the other characters needed screentime.. ******** it, let alone a movie. FFVII was perfect the way it was, and it already had a conclusion so I don't see any real purpose of Advent Children... Now as for Cloud's personality in AC....pure bulls***t. I agree he acts like a little 'ol Emo b***h ,and why they changed his personallity? I don't know....but I DO know I hated him and my respect for him went down ALOT! and KH well I don't like KH anymore. I did beat Sephiroth in both games but I enjoied watchin' their cutseen battles so I didn't mind the ''glory hogging'' XD Now what's retarded is the fact that Cloud is weaker than Sora... f****n' ridiculous.... I was pissed off about that, but now I really don't care for that or the game, its whateva to me... Yeah, the personality change was definitely for the worse. And for those who are like, "Cloud was like that the whole time in the game!!" BUZZ-- WRONG! he was never really emo or confused, full of doubt, or just downright bitchy in the game... except for that part when he handed Sephiroth the Black materia. After that he was-- but only for a little while. Hell, it seems like he took that a lot worse than Aeris dying. XD sweatdrop (Sad, but I think it's true) I love KH and all, and you know, it never bothered me THAT much. I do think it's complete bull. Not the glory hog thing- but the fact that he can beat Sephiroth at all. Makes you think... But it never bugged me that after you finish fighting Sephiroth, he's still there and claims that only Cloud can defeat him.... which reminds me... Question for all. maybe my memory is rusty or something... but... I don't recall Sephiroth being so 'Cloud Obsessed' in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, but eh... In KH all he ever talked about was "Cloud this" and "Cloud that" THATS what bugged me. Why would he even care? Can someone refresh my memory, or do I have the right to be bugged by that? Sephiroth was not obessed with Cloud in the Original game. In KH they only did that to draw out the whole ''light vs. dark'' theme. The main reason that bugged me was because Sephiroth kept coming back for NO real reason when you think about it. Cloud already defeated him, so there really was no true reason to keep bringing him back. Exactly!! Even though there was a point, it's just sad for Sephiroth's image. When you go to fight him the FIRST thing he asks is "What is Cloud doing?" Why the hell would he care?! Another thing that bugged me... The makers of KH could have found another reason for Sephiroth to want to fight... stare I mean, come on.... like he would have any interest in the Keyblade.... stare stare stare Argh... I still loved fighting him. ^^
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:18 am
Rikku Takarai xXxKuroi OkamixXx Rikku Takarai xXxKuroi OkamixXx yunachi I agree with all of this!I mean,wtf man,sure,he's the so-called "main character" in the movie,but it's not all about Cloud dammit!Yuffie,Barret,Cid,Nanaki,and Cait Sith were all ignored!Hell,even Marlene and Denzel had more screentime than them and they're practically harmless!What the hell is up with THAT?! And why the ******** do they change Cloud's personality in the movie?!I mean,he JUST became more upbeat again somewhere in the end of the game and then he officially falls into the emo-prissy catergory just a few minutes of his first time in the movie!That's just not right! And why make the poor guy weak in KH?!Sure,I love the game,but WHY have US do all the work and then Cloud finishes Sephiroth off?!That's just glory hogging and retarded right there. Original dammit,Original. hahaha!!! okay first off, what pissed me off the most was Cait Sith and Red Cid's voices! I never in my life thought thier voices would sound like that... Cait Sith wouldn't sound Scottish to me, and Red XIII sure as hell shouldn't sound like a punk a** b***h!!! I don't think the other characters needed screentime.. ******** it, let alone a movie. FFVII was perfect the way it was, and it already had a conclusion so I don't see any real purpose of Advent Children... Now as for Cloud's personality in AC....pure bulls***t. I agree he acts like a little 'ol Emo b***h ,and why they changed his personallity? I don't know....but I DO know I hated him and my respect for him went down ALOT! and KH well I don't like KH anymore. I did beat Sephiroth in both games but I enjoied watchin' their cutseen battles so I didn't mind the ''glory hogging'' XD Now what's retarded is the fact that Cloud is weaker than Sora... f****n' ridiculous.... I was pissed off about that, but now I really don't care for that or the game, its whateva to me... Yeah, the personality change was definitely for the worse. And for those who are like, "Cloud was like that the whole time in the game!!" BUZZ-- WRONG! he was never really emo or confused, full of doubt, or just downright bitchy in the game... except for that part when he handed Sephiroth the Black materia. After that he was-- but only for a little while. Hell, it seems like he took that a lot worse than Aeris dying. XD sweatdrop (Sad, but I think it's true) I love KH and all, and you know, it never bothered me THAT much. I do think it's complete bull. Not the glory hog thing- but the fact that he can beat Sephiroth at all. Makes you think... But it never bugged me that after you finish fighting Sephiroth, he's still there and claims that only Cloud can defeat him.... which reminds me... Question for all. maybe my memory is rusty or something... but... I don't recall Sephiroth being so 'Cloud Obsessed' in the game. Maybe I'm wrong, but eh... In KH all he ever talked about was "Cloud this" and "Cloud that" THATS what bugged me. Why would he even care? Can someone refresh my memory, or do I have the right to be bugged by that? Sephiroth was not obessed with Cloud in the Original game. In KH they only did that to draw out the whole ''light vs. dark'' theme. The main reason that bugged me was because Sephiroth kept coming back for NO real reason when you think about it. Cloud already defeated him, so there really was no true reason to keep bringing him back. Exactly!! Even though there was a point, it's just sad for Sephiroth's image. When you go to fight him the FIRST thing he asks is "What is Cloud doing?" Why the hell would he care?! Another thing that bugged me... The makers of KH could have found another reason for Sephiroth to want to fight... stare I mean, come on.... like he would have any interest in the Keyblade.... stare stare stare Argh... I still loved fighting him. ^^ I agree, I don't think the real Sephiroth would give a flyin' ******** about the Keyblade. He doesn't need it. He's already too powerful. I guess the writer needed to find a way to tie in Sephiroth with the themes of KH. And I LOVE fighting him!! To me, he makes Kingdom Hearts worth my money because in both games, the final bosses and the extra bosses were weak a** hell to me! too ********' easy to beat! Sephiroth was the exact challenge I was looking for in the games.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:11 am
man come on origanal all the way i mean he may not bee as strong as AC but he was actauly a person ya know. He was still willing to do watever it took to overcome not just sephiroth but himself as well and as much as i love KH that cloud was just a wimp.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:12 am
I like the AC/KH2 Cloud more. Because he's more open-minded and is more life like 3nodding .
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:21 am
the AC cloud is o.k. but i agree on the original, KH cloud stunk
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:37 am
The original Cloud for me is the best. heart
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:58 pm
Both the original and the AC cloud pwn for me. And ppl, please no more quoting from others that quote, it gets annoying to keep having to scroll down just to read one person's comment.
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