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Delmar_Denban Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:30 am
DarklingGlory Reim Thunder Foot Delmar_Denban In many ways it's become the emperors new clothes. Martial Arts instructors with no real skill or teaching ability will hide behind philosophy to disguise their bullshit. This is very true. But then again, we also have the Martial Greats whom also utilize philosophies in their arts. Speaking outside of sport, of course. Well, an intructor that doesnt nessecarily hide behind his philosophies can help you alot, even without outstanding skills in martial arts. Yeah I'd agree with that. Up to a certain point, an instructor that is fundamentally sound but not outstanding can do a lot for people. But only up to a certain point, after that where do you go? If it comes to a point where you feel that you can learn no more from your instructor then it's time to move on and find another.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:01 pm
Delmar_Denban DarklingGlory Reim Thunder Foot Delmar_Denban In many ways it's become the emperors new clothes. Martial Arts instructors with no real skill or teaching ability will hide behind philosophy to disguise their bullshit. This is very true. But then again, we also have the Martial Greats whom also utilize philosophies in their arts. Speaking outside of sport, of course. Well, an intructor that doesnt nessecarily hide behind his philosophies can help you alot, even without outstanding skills in martial arts. Yeah I'd agree with that. Up to a certain point, an instructor that is fundamentally sound but not outstanding can do a lot for people. But only up to a certain point, after that where do you go? If it comes to a point where you feel that you can learn no more from your instructor then it's time to move on and find another. Very True. Coincidentally, to be a trainer, and to be a fighter are two seperate things. Guro Inosanto was breaking it down the other day. He mentioned that it takes more than just physical prowess and past experiences to be a good teacher. He drew this diagram and whatnot... I just can't find my notes. I believe it was three categories: Martial Sport, Martial Art, and Martial Science..... it looked something like this; __________ Martial Science__________ /\ ________ /\__________ /___________ \_________ /_____________ \______ Martial Art <------> Martial SportHe basically went on to describe how the Art and Sport, contribute to the science. With knowledge of Science and Arrt, you then become adept at Sport... with experience in Sport and Sciencec, you then become adept at the art. and with Art and Sport, you become adept at the Science. He related Sport to Bouts, Tournaments, Sparring, Fighting... anything simulating a self-defense situation..... geez, I wish I could post the rest of the information shared with me, but I'm just having a mental block right now, and can't seem to find my notes.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:14 am
When I was in Japan, none of my friends talked about the philosophy, or calming influence etc of karate.
They talked about 60 year old guys wo taught them how to rip off
a mans testicles with one hand while breaking his nose with your other elbow.
In Sumo Its a bit about control and honour etc.
but mostly its about teaching you how to give and take a hit.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:48 am
You mean a throw? I mean aside from palm thrusts and slaps, sumo doesn't have many strikes allowed, am I correct?
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:18 pm
Bahvanta Ok well my view on martial art philosphy (now I actually have some time to write about it) is as follows... Philosophically, MA's are founded on the defensive spirit and its code forbids unfair assaults of use of force. It fosters humility, discipline, a generous attitude and camaraderie. Through training we can achieve harmony of mind and body, mental and physical discipline, self-control, self-confidence, reduction of stress - which I need!! and the ability to defend one-self and my../your loved ones, Because of the increased power we as martial artists develop in the study, and our newly gained knowledge of techniques which can be extremely amazing to an opponent! it is important that this ability is used only constructively and never offensively..I don't know if that actually answers ur question....bbut this is what I think gonk also I reckon part of Martial art philosophy is remebering annd expressing gratitude to the people who have carried their traditions foward through centuries. so that we can study MA's today in the way that we do. Martial art philosophys are there to remind us to Always keep in mind that your responsibility as a martial artist are there to help the development of yourself physically, mentally and spiritually....it fits into every aspect of MA's you have insight im glad to see it as for the rest look first into the religions of the time and areas then ask why. if it was just for themselves to deal better with murder, why did they believe in the 10 fold Karmic path, also tell me if you are seriously practising and you apply the meditation with it can you aquire the insight of things to come. the philosophies teach mind and body harmony, the more your mind and body are harmonous the more energy (qi) or chi you generate and more powerful your body becomes and more insightful your mind is. in a fight if you have already seen it and the out come and you enact it then deja vu. ill post more but it will be when i have more time.
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:24 am
Martial "Philosophy" I guess is useless if you already have a religion to base your beliefs around. I also believe it's silly to incorperate "philosophy" in something that was designed to kill people. Nothing too philosophical there.
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:03 pm
Mr. Cynical Martial "Philosophy" I guess is useless if you already have a religion to base your beliefs around. I also believe it's silly to incorperate "philosophy" in something that was designed to kill people. Nothing too philosophical there. Not every Martial was designed to "kill people". smile
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:32 pm
Thunder Foot Mr. Cynical Martial "Philosophy" I guess is useless if you already have a religion to base your beliefs around. I also believe it's silly to incorperate "philosophy" in something that was designed to kill people. Nothing too philosophical there. Not every Martial was designed to "kill people". smile Could you give the names of these Martial Arts?
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:06 pm
Mr. Cynical Thunder Foot Mr. Cynical Martial "Philosophy" I guess is useless if you already have a religion to base your beliefs around. I also believe it's silly to incorperate "philosophy" in something that was designed to kill people. Nothing too philosophical there. Not every Martial was designed to "kill people". smile Could you give the names of these Martial Arts? Sure, I'd be more than happy to. Aikido, Shaolin Long Fist, Taekwondo, Wudang Taijiquan, Small Circle Jujutsu, Hapkido, Judo, Muay Thai, Savate off the top of my head. I'm sure I could list others.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:01 pm
Thunder Foot Mr. Cynical Thunder Foot Mr. Cynical Martial "Philosophy" I guess is useless if you already have a religion to base your beliefs around. I also believe it's silly to incorperate "philosophy" in something that was designed to kill people. Nothing too philosophical there. Not every Martial was designed to "kill people". smile Could you give the names of these Martial Arts? Sure, I'd be more than happy to. Aikido, Shaolin Long Fist, Taekwondo, Wudang Taijiquan, Small Circle Jujutsu, Hapkido, Judo, Muay Thai, Savate off the top of my head. I'm sure I could list others. You know what? You're right...not all were made for killing. A better word instead would be hurting. Otherwise they wouldn't be called Martial Arts.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:47 am
Mr. Cynical Thunder Foot Mr. Cynical Thunder Foot Mr. Cynical Martial "Philosophy" I guess is useless if you already have a religion to base your beliefs around. I also believe it's silly to incorperate "philosophy" in something that was designed to kill people. Nothing too philosophical there. Not every Martial was designed to "kill people". smile Could you give the names of these Martial Arts? Sure, I'd be more than happy to. Aikido, Shaolin Long Fist, Taekwondo, Wudang Taijiquan, Small Circle Jujutsu, Hapkido, Judo, Muay Thai, Savate off the top of my head. I'm sure I could list others. You know what? You're right...not all were made for killing. A better word instead would be hurting. Otherwise they wouldn't be called Martial Arts. mmm Tai Chi Chuan was meant to improve your health and your energy flow not to hurt or kill but what do i know lol and yet it could hurt someone when applied
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:51 am
This thread is made of fail and crap.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:08 am
you do realise martial philosophy can include combat psychology and the like yes?
So its not all "be at one with your fellow man and hug all the bunnies" but includes "dont give a ******** if you live or die" and "aggression is an important factor in winning" etc
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:32 am
DarklingGlory you do realise martial philosophy can include combat psychology and the like yes? So its not all "be at one with your fellow man and hug all the bunnies" but includes "dont give a ******** if you live or die" and "aggression is an important factor in winning" etc Can you give some examples?
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:15 pm
Mirko_Filipovic This thread is made of fail and crap. Aight MMA nuthugger, whats your philosophy then? smile
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