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Alone in the darkness trapped in your Pain...

A fat blonde guy versus people who were built to really kill?
Puh-leese talk2hand

...Fight all you want but in the end you won't see the light again.

pirate

Alone in the darkness trapped in your Pain...

We have him.


...Fight all you want but in the end you won't see the light again.

Wow. I had an argument in one of my other guilds awhile ago about this exact same topic ^^

I looooove Johnny Depp to death, but ninjas pwn. ninja

A ninja will forever be victorious...the following videos will explain. 3nodding


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAf-idhAbyE
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_zqXCNZqk

Historically speaking, pirates were mostly disgruntled members of the society from which they hailed. They had no formal 'training' outside of what they learned themselves. That is not to say that they were unskilled, however. European pirates were often dangerous in sword combat, primarily because they were somewhat more vicious than the refined swordsmen of their age. Chinese pirates may well have martial arts training, making them more dangerous as well.
However, pirates were not all combative. They would often try to avoid combat when possible, taking a ship by virtue of surrender rather than combat: if people knew that pirates would inevitably kill them, they would fight much harder, causing more damage. Besides, battle brought forth the risk of damaging the goods that the pirates were after.
Pirates were also known as pillagers and rapists among the villages that they attacked.
The style of gun that pirates used was actually quite inaccurate. That's why we don't use them anymore. The round bullets that were used at the time had a tendency to pull to one side or the other, and the pull could not be predicted beforehand, as it was not intrinsic to the gun itself, but rather, the bullet. This was mainly due to the fact the the bullets were not spun as they left the barrel. Nowadays, bullets are spun, steadying their flight patterns, and the shapes of the bullets themselves are both more areodynamic and more conducive to accuracy. Point being, the guns of the pirate age really kind of sucked compared to modern guns.

The ninja, however, were raised from birth to be incredibly deadly. As children, they played games that trained the necessary skills of their profession, such as balance, agility, adaptability, and resourcefulness. At age nine, they would begin training in unarmed combat, with sword training beginning at ages ten to twelve. In the early teens, the prospective ninja would begin training in complex and specialized weaponry, such as the shinobi-gama. In the late teens they would learn about acting, psychology, herbs and medicines, espionage, tactics and strategy, and other disciplines, such as meteorology, explosives, disguise, and music and dancing.
Their training was designed to allow them to greatly surpass normal human physical limitations: whereas a modern marathon runner runs about 31 miles at 12 mph, a ninja carrying all of his equipment could cover twice that distance daily, on foot, at the same speed.
The ninja were trained such that they could use practically any item in their environment as a weapon or a distraction. They were trained to be able to kill samurai, Japan's premier swordsmen, in direct combat, and could take on multiple opponents at once, although even being detected at all during a mission was enough to constitute failure, even if they did manage to kill their target or targets. The mission would still be technically successful, yes, but they would personally consider at least a partial failure.
The ninja have also proven their efficacy at ship-to-ship combat: in 1596, the ninja Hattori Hanzo was killed in ship-to-ship. He happened upon a squadron of enemy ships crewed by ninja, and managed to destroy and set one on fire. The others managed to stay out of range of his guns, and led him into a narrow channel. The tide changed at this point and the current led him towards the flaming ship. His ship had plenty of gunpowder barrels on it (as a pirate ship would), and so he tried to steer it away. However, ninja from the opposing ships had already swam over and sabotaged his rudders, so he couldn't steer. He ordered his men to abandon ship, but the sea turned out to be filled with oil. The ships then collided, setting the ocean on fire and killing Hanzo and all of his men.

That stated, we never established the scale of combat in this debate. Is this a battle between an individual pirate and ninja on nuetral ground? A group of each? A ship of each, or a fleet? Or are we perhaps comparing the lethality of each group? Maybe we're intent on organizing an army of members of each culture?
Anyway, judging by what I construe to be the meaning of this little contest, I'll say that the ninja were probably a much more dangerous force to be reckoned with. They were more highly skilled in combat, tactics, and assassination; the ninja were often much better equipped, and I assume that a ninja would be easily capable of destroying a pirate in combat, whether ranged or close. I imagine the pirate would have a slight advantage in ranged combat, seeing as their projectiles (bullets) would be faster than the ninja's (arrows, shuriken, or spitting needles), however, the ninja's would still be more reliably accurate.

It's not a matter of favorites, really: I am fond of both members of this little bout, but I just see that objectively speaking, ninja are vastly more likely to win if engaged in combat with pirates on any level, judging by their degree of skill and training, and historical accounts.