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Eyetk

PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:39 pm


Song_of_fire
Are the judges going to be rotated? Like judges 1 and 2 judge fic A, 2 and 3 judge fic B, 3 and 1 judge fic C.
It'd spread out the judging but still have that third judge available.

Yeah, that's how I was thinking it would work.

I fixed the list. Thanks for the instruction! I should have thought of that--I've made such lists with this type of code before--but, eh, I guess it slipped my mind.

I think art would be the best way to go--and those little icons, Kaarii, would be perfect. If those were a standard, with special art or sketches for large donations *bow Song_of_fire* than I think that'd work out best, neh?

On judging, I've been working out guidelines for the grammar section...but prose, characters, and plot are all rather more complicated, and I'm not sure how to definitely define them. It may be that after the submissions are in, the judges should just get together and work out the standard based off of the stories submitted.

Errr...what's a MC?

Speaking of gold, a few numbers for y'all to ponder when deciding how much you might want to give. I've got about 14500 gold. Split up among the prize categories, that gives:

Overall Gamma: 3500
Overall Beta: 2000

Grammar Nazi Gamma: 2000
Grammar Nazi Beta: 1000

Rose o' Prose Gamma: 2000
Rose o' Prose Beta: 1000

Road Less Taken Gamma: 2000
Road Less Taken Beta: 1000

...hopefully we can increase that, neh?

And...to end off this post, here's what I have for the 'Essentials' category:

ON JUDGING THE 'ESSENTIALS' CATEGORY:


Despite the prize title of 'Grammar Nazi' for this category, I don't think that the judges should really be out to be nazis. For one thing, rules on punctuation and spelling can differ from country to country; even grammar rules may vary. For another, many grammar rules relate to formal writing--and if the writer is using a more readable, informal style, there are some habits that, while technically wrong, may be forgiven.

The basic idea for scoring this category is that everyone starts out with 20 points. Then, if they make mistakes, they get points docked accordingly.

On spelling: Keep in mind the differences in UK (and Commonwealth) and American English. 'Colour' can be considered correct, as can be 'color'. 'Centre' may substitute for 'center', and so forth. 'Cheque' (when referring to money) may be exchanged for 'check'. However, if 'colour' is used once, than it should be used every single time. If they switch back and forth, one point off.

Other than that, each time they have a spelling mistake, one point off. If they spell the same word wrong multiple times, though, they won't have additional points taken off--because getting marks off for cascading errors sucks.

On punctuation: This section is pretty strict as well--although not as strict as spelling, because commas are sometimes harder to judge. Again, mistakes should earn them one docked point, but repeat mistakes won't cost additional points.

Some of the more common basic mistakes are putting a comma where there should be an 'and', or around dialogue. Also (and this may earn me some pies in the face from those who like this 'technique'--but it's wrong) using multiple punctuation marks such as ?! or !! or !?--that's wrong too.

Ellipses are a bit tough. Technically, if at the end of a sentence, they should have a period, and there are all sorts of rules about spacing. However, this is a rather sterner approach to writing than I think even most published writers follow, so I'd vote for just going, "If it looks pretty, it's good." If they're overusing ellipses, well, that's a matter for the 'Prose' category.

On capitalization: Capitalization rules are pretty much the same wherever you go, so I won't bother going into depth for this. Again, one type of mistake, one mark off; multiple mistakes of a type (such as forgetting to capitalize proper nouns, or some such) will only be docked the one point, not multiple points.

Grammar: Oo, the most complex section of this category. Again, I'd say...one mistake, one mark off, but be relaxed. If they end a sentence in a preposition, be forgiving--unless they do it often enough that it becomes an eyesore.

However, the basics should be kept to the line. If they say something like 'I is' outside of a character's way of speech, dock a mark. If they mix up a word (such as 'to' instead of 'too'), again, down a mark. If they have run-on sentences (unless such sentences actually work grammatically), dock a mark. If they have pronoun confusion...etc.

Sentence fragments are a bit iffy. Many writers use them deliberately for emphasis--but on the whole, they detract from the writing. So...I'd say, dock a mark.

Wow. At this rate it's gunna be hard to score perfect--but I guess that's the way it should be. Perfection ain't easy, after all.


Thanks to y'all for showing so much interest and support of this idea biggrin
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:12 pm


MC = Monthly collectible

Since this is new, I think one category would be fine until we have enough people participating in it. Then we can have more categories. Doubtful that many people would participate in the first one or two.

That and doing it every month would drain a lot of our gold.

Chibi Envy Chan
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Eyetk

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:21 pm


One prize category, you mean? (This is what I would assume, but your comment was after the big 'GRAMM3R' thing, so just checking). Humm, that -would- save on gold, yes.

I never thought it would be monthly, though. There's no way I could keep affording to fund that--and that'd be a lot of work, to constantly keep judging 'em...a series of contests, yes, but not monthly.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:50 pm


Yes, that's what I meant. I didn't go into the guild until after you posted it so yeah. ^^U

Maybe we can do special event contests like one for New Years, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Mother's Day, etc. On the other hand, we could hold a contest every two months. That would cut down the amount of prize giving in half while allowing people to enter, and we should be able to earn enough gold for the prizes. Still think it would be better for one category until enough people enter.

Chibi Envy Chan
Captain


Your Ophelia

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:19 pm


About funding.... I can probably fund most of the prizes if we're doing this on a monthly basis. I can just get a MC (or two), and sell them in the marketplace. That would get us about 9,000-20,000 a month, if I'm not mistaken biggrin
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:10 am


I could honestly help with funding too, since I have a similar amount of gold as Chibi (although it is for my quests... sweatdrop ).
Anyway, posting little samples to art and a few icons to show off my skills.

Chibi
Me
Banner for a graphics shop I never started
User Image User Image User Image


So er... yeah, that's what I can offer.

Song_of_fire
Crew

Ace Fairy


Eyetk

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:50 pm


Woot! Those icons look wonderful.

Soo...if the latter two categories were taken out for the initial contest, at least (they could be put back if we got a lot of entries/donations), then that'd leave overall+beta (7000+3000 so far) and grammar nazi+beta. (5000+2000 so far). Sound better?

When I get my act together and finish chewing through today's book--I should have finished it by now, but my sleep pattern is really screwed up--I'll take a chunk of time and start sending out requests for beta volunteers. Or something.

*salute*
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:44 pm


That's still 17k worth in gold.

I think it should be set according to the number of entries. If we reach a certain amount, then we increase the prize. Maybe the initial prize could be a bit lower. That way if not many people enter (though I'm hoping this wouldn't be the case), then we wouldn't have to worry about getting the gold. On the other hand, a larger prize would be an incentive for people to enter.

Chibi Envy Chan
Captain


Eyetk

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:11 pm


*nodnod*

Alrighty, then.

I have two things to beta tonight. And then hopefully...I will do stuff about messaging people tomorrow. Or something. Man, sleep...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:42 pm


Do we have three judges? There's you and me. Maybe a third if Sofu agrees to be a judge.

Tomorrow, I'm going to be taking care of things IRL, but I'm hoping to get started with the resource subforum.

Chibi Envy Chan
Captain


Song_of_fire
Crew

Ace Fairy

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:36 am


I'm not judging original fic. I have my own book pile to tackle.
And wow. 7k as prize for overall winner. Mind you, I'm used to small contests.

Oh and Chibi? Do we need that second FAQ in the Resources?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:10 pm


That's okay. I don't think we'd be starting it anytime soon. Still have to iron out the wrinkles and whatnot. Same here. I'm used to smaller contests. I've participated in the monthly fan fic contest as a contestant, not as a judge, but I've been reviewing a lot of fan fiction.

Hm... I suppose not. Probably we can move all the stuff to the main one in the main forum.

Chibi Envy Chan
Captain


dsdjkdsl

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:31 am


Waah xd I want to enter this competition now!!!

It sounds really awesome 3nodding
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:06 pm


We first have to set it up, silly. XD

Chibi Envy Chan
Captain


Eyetk

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:14 pm


Such interest is great, though!

And I swear I'll be compiling that beta list soon. sweatdrop

It's just that I've gotten so many projects that've suddenly advanced in the past few days (feedback from betas - FTW - on some of them, and...uh. Yeah).

Although that does bring up a point I was considering. Right now a lot of betas and writers seem to be on vacation. I've...well, only been around for the summer, so I have to ask: Are there more people around once summer ends? And, if so, should the contest be postponed for a bit?
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