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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:24 pm
rolandgarros About labels, you perhaps do not realize that in the beginning, there was one Church, and that it did not need a label, as it was just the Church. The reason your so-called "labels" were creates is because various sects split off from the Church. If these splits had not happened, there would be no labels. Note that I'm not saying that every other Church is bad because they split off and created labels; in fact, that argument would be pointless.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:04 pm
Dark Regrets brad175 I don't understand why you feel the need to call yourself "Catholic" in the first place. If we are indeed related by the blood of Christ, then why don't you say what you are, a Christian, a follower of Christ? I attend both a Baptist and a [forgot] church, but I don't label myself a "Baptist" or whatever. That's not even a religion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I actually want an answer. In fact, I'm addressing this towards anyone that chooses a meaningless label over one that aknowleges Christ. Being catholic is a way of life and prayer. And the ways the Church is set up- so it's very different. The same can be said of various Christian groups. That's the way it is. And I'll add your questions to the main page, ok? I want to bring up a verse. 1 Corinthians 3:3-93You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 4For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men? 5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building. When someone says "I'm Catholic" or "I'm Baptist" or I'm.... It doesn't mean anything. Does being catholic save you? Does bein baptist save you? Are these terms mentioned even once in the word of God? No. It is Jesus that saves, Jesus that is important. I would much rather identify myself with Christ, my savior, and the true church- which is the body of christ- rather than a gathering of people inside of a building with stain-glass windows, containing both Christians and (usually more)hypocrites. Also, what do you mean you'll post my questions? I don't understand.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:02 pm
rolandgarros About labels, you perhaps do not realize that in the beginning, there was one Church, and that it did not need a label, as it was just the Church. The reason your so-called "labels" were creates is because various sects split off from the Church. If these splits had not happened, there would be no labels. Note that I'm not saying that every other Church is bad because they split off and created labels; in fact, that argument would be pointless. Despite the fact that I was saying labels are bad, do you actually believe the Roman Catholic church was where it all started? The church started with Jesus much earlier. When you say that sects split off from "the church," you're wrong. "The Church," according to the Bible, is not a building or an organization, but is the body of Christ, those that are true born-again Christians. The Roman Catholic Church has a lot of history of corruption. They've twisted scripture in the past and even today require a lot out of people that God does not require of them. They even used to sell tickets to heaven! No, the catholic church is not where it started. We split so that we could actually live how the Bible tells us to, instead of being bound by meaningless rituals. And since I haven't gotten an answer yet, I'll address this. A lot of Catholics believe that good deeds are essential for salvation. A lot also believe that baptism is essential for salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. I don't think its wrong to go to a Catholic church, but when there are problems, they must be addressed.
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:34 pm
brad175 rolandgarros About labels, you perhaps do not realize that in the beginning, there was one Church, and that it did not need a label, as it was just the Church. The reason your so-called "labels" were creates is because various sects split off from the Church. If these splits had not happened, there would be no labels. Note that I'm not saying that every other Church is bad because they split off and created labels; in fact, that argument would be pointless. Despite the fact that I was saying labels are bad, do you actually believe the Roman Catholic church was where it all started? The church started with Jesus much earlier. When you say that sects split off from "the church," you're wrong. "The Church," according to the Bible, is not a building or an organization, but is the body of Christ, those that are true born-again Christians. The Roman Catholic Church has a lot of history of corruption. They've twisted scripture in the past and even today require a lot out of people that God does not require of them. They even used to sell tickets to heaven! No, the catholic church is not where it started. We split so that we could actually live how the Bible tells us to, instead of being bound by meaningless rituals. And since I haven't gotten an answer yet, I'll address this. A lot of Catholics believe that good deeds are essential for salvation. A lot also believe that baptism is essential for salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. I don't think its wrong to go to a Catholic church, but when there are problems, they must be addressed. Personally, I hate debating religion. It's pointless. Religion is one of those things that a person makes part of their identity, and thus defend it to the end. As for tickets to heaven... the only time I really ever saw something that actually said "ticket to heaven" was on a flier handed out by a on-denominational church. The ticket into heaven you're speaking of is called an indulgence. Indulgences fall into 2 categories: Partial, and plenerary. We catholics believe that a person can be forgiven, but the soul is still stained with the blood of it's sins. And indulgence is just a way of cleaning things up a bit. Partial only cleans it a bit. Plenerary cleans it completely. In order to gain an indulgence a person must do certain things. Donation is not a requirement for this. It's usually going on a retreat, going to confession, performing an act of mercy"anywhere from giving to the poor, to praying for your enemy" and receiving communion. The catholic church is the first church. Christi did say "You are rock, and upon you I shall build my church." The pope is just the elected successor to peter. And no, the church is not a building, contrary to what you've been told. We consider it the whole collective of all those who follow Christ. We are Christ's body, and consider the pope to be Christ's representative on earth. He's not infallible. Only in very rare circumstance's can he claim that authority, and in 2,000 years the pope has only done it 7 times. So please, before dissing someone's beliefs, try to look into yourself instead of reading propaganda pieces. Wikipedia is a great place to start.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:54 pm
ProVeritas brad175 rolandgarros About labels, you perhaps do not realize that in the beginning, there was one Church, and that it did not need a label, as it was just the Church. The reason your so-called "labels" were creates is because various sects split off from the Church. If these splits had not happened, there would be no labels. Note that I'm not saying that every other Church is bad because they split off and created labels; in fact, that argument would be pointless. Despite the fact that I was saying labels are bad, do you actually believe the Roman Catholic church was where it all started? The church started with Jesus much earlier. When you say that sects split off from "the church," you're wrong. "The Church," according to the Bible, is not a building or an organization, but is the body of Christ, those that are true born-again Christians. The Roman Catholic Church has a lot of history of corruption. They've twisted scripture in the past and even today require a lot out of people that God does not require of them. They even used to sell tickets to heaven! No, the catholic church is not where it started. We split so that we could actually live how the Bible tells us to, instead of being bound by meaningless rituals. And since I haven't gotten an answer yet, I'll address this. A lot of Catholics believe that good deeds are essential for salvation. A lot also believe that baptism is essential for salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith- and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. I don't think its wrong to go to a Catholic church, but when there are problems, they must be addressed. Personally, I hate debating religion. It's pointless. Religion is one of those things that a person makes part of their identity, and thus defend it to the end. As for tickets to heaven... the only time I really ever saw something that actually said "ticket to heaven" was on a flier handed out by a on-denominational church. The ticket into heaven you're speaking of is called an indulgence. Indulgences fall into 2 categories: Partial, and plenerary. We catholics believe that a person can be forgiven, but the soul is still stained with the blood of it's sins. And indulgence is just a way of cleaning things up a bit. Partial only cleans it a bit. Plenerary cleans it completely. In order to gain an indulgence a person must do certain things. Donation is not a requirement for this. It's usually going on a retreat, going to confession, performing an act of mercy"anywhere from giving to the poor, to praying for your enemy" and receiving communion. The catholic church is the first church. Christi did say "You are rock, and upon you I shall build my church." The pope is just the elected successor to peter. And no, the church is not a building, contrary to what you've been told. We consider it the whole collective of all those who follow Christ. We are Christ's body, and consider the pope to be Christ's representative on earth. He's not infallible. Only in very rare circumstance's can he claim that authority, and in 2,000 years the pope has only done it 7 times. So please, before dissing someone's beliefs, try to look into yourself instead of reading propaganda pieces. Wikipedia is a great place to start. Thank you for the response. As for the indulgences, this is completely contrary to the teaching of the Bible. I ask you- who forgives? Also, please read what I wrote a second time. I never said the church was a building. I was saying the opposite. I wonder how that could have gotten confused. Matthew 16:18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. I believe you've taken this out of context. Jesus is the cornerstone. He was speaking of himself. Wikipedia???!!!!!!!!!! No, no one look to Wikipedia for anything important. It is an encyclopedia that can be changed by anyone at anytime. It is not an authority in the least. I am shocked to hear such a thing.
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:43 am
brad175 Dark Regrets brad175 I don't understand why you feel the need to call yourself "Catholic" in the first place. If we are indeed related by the blood of Christ, then why don't you say what you are, a Christian, a follower of Christ? I attend both a Baptist and a [forgot] church, but I don't label myself a "Baptist" or whatever. That's not even a religion. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I actually want an answer. In fact, I'm addressing this towards anyone that chooses a meaningless label over one that aknowleges Christ. Being catholic is a way of life and prayer. And the ways the Church is set up- so it's very different. The same can be said of various Christian groups. That's the way it is. And I'll add your questions to the main page, ok? I want to bring up a verse. 1 Corinthians 3:3-93You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 4For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men? 5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor. 9For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building. When someone says "I'm Catholic" or "I'm Baptist" or I'm.... It doesn't mean anything. Does being catholic save you? Does bein baptist save you? Are these terms mentioned even once in the word of God? No. It is Jesus that saves, Jesus that is important. I would much rather identify myself with Christ, my savior, and the true church- which is the body of christ- rather than a gathering of people inside of a building with stain-glass windows, containing both Christians and (usually more)hypocrites. Also, what do you mean you'll post my questions? I don't understand. Aren't you kinnda contradicting yourself? You stated in another thread that you accidently set aside Roman Catholics, now you say it doesn't matter. Hardly. If it didn't matter, there would be no debate, and you wouldn't be posting here, would you? And you, and others, wouldn't be asking about questions regarding actions the Church did, because many DID split off. But the origin is in the Chrurch. So when you ask 'how do you feel about the Crusades?' it should be how you and everyone else feels. You can't out it on one group.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:31 am
The truth is these wiccans want to bash us no matter what we are so we should band together......
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:19 pm
Ozzy, what are you talking about? o_0
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:11 pm
brad175 Forgive me if these questions have already been asked, but I want to know your understanding of Roman Catholicism. Do you pray to angels or Mary?? --No, Roman Catholics pray with the Angels, Saints, and Mary to God. brad175 Do you believe water baptism is essential to salvation? In a word, yes. (but that's my personal opinion.) brad175 Do you believe the pope is infallible? The Pope is only infallible when the Pope declares infalliblity. The Pope (as an office) has only deemed infalliblity necessary 7 times in the past 2000 years. In short, he is infallible, but only when necessary. (And the secular part of me says that infalliblity is overrated.) brad175 Do you beleive that water can be holy? Yes, but only if blessed by a priest/bishop/cardinal/Pope or another member of the Catholic community. brad175 *How important would you say "works" are for salvation Eh, not sure......I'll have to get back to you on that.
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