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 Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:58 am
True, but zetsu ate sasori after losing(It was a free lunch for him) and tried to claim back the akatsuki ring.(Toby the good boy got it) We know that zetsu keeps tabs on the members and there locations.(mostly to regain the rings for new members if current members die.)
In the garra resc arc they found out that the bijuu was extracted from garra and naruto has the same fate awaiting for him.(sakura also knows this) So, my guess is that konoha knows about one of the akatsuki goals. But for every separate members goals are still unknown even to each other.
Hidan doesn't care about the akatsuki and he would rather choose his religion over them. That may be a motive to leave him underground or be eaten by zetsu. But hidan spoke about it openly with kakuzu and who knows if he didn't snitch on him. If Zetsu feels generous he may dig him up and put him back together. (It's up to the mood that zetsu is in.)
For now we can only guess what will zetsu do; is he going for the akatsuki rings (kakuzu, hidan and maybe oro.) or is he going to save hidan.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:23 pm
Like what was said, I think we would've been shown if Zetsu would go after Hidan's severed head or not. For now, it seems like the Akatsuki doesn't care what happened to Hidan (and Kakuzu, for that matter). Or the focus of the recent chapters has been on Sasuke so much that Hidan is hardly the issue now.
I think that the only thing that Konoha knows is that the Akatsuki are collecting the bijuu, but the ultimate plan of the Akatsuki is quite unknown to those outside of the organization. The bijuu collection is just a means to a bigger end, that which is to conquer the world, and all Konoha is doing now is preventing the Akatsuki from reaching the jinchuuriki from their own village. They know nothing of the ultimate plan, but I'm pretty sure that they have their own predictions as to what it is.
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:17 am
Tenshi no Hana-chan
I think that the only thing that Konoha knows is that the Akatsuki are collecting the bijuu, but the ultimate plan of the Akatsuki is quite unknown to those outside of the organization. The bijuu collection is just a means to a bigger end, that which is to conquer the world, and all Konoha is doing now is preventing the Akatsuki from reaching the jinchuuriki from their own village. They know nothing of the ultimate plan, but I'm pretty sure that they have their own predictions as to what it is.Not only that, it's pretty obvious that Akatsuki is not where they were before. They don't know where they're stationed. The best way to find out is to ask someone who's been there, no? Wouldn't it be insane if Sasuke went to uncover Hidan's cursing head to lead him to Itachi? eek
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:30 am
Yup, pretty insane indeed. He'd be going into Konoha itself (seeing as it's the Nara's forest), which gives the plot more opportunity to thrust Team 7 back together.
Of course, this is getting waaaay ahead of ourselves.
So... new question.
Sasuke has put together (or is in the middle of putting together) a team composed of a swordsman with Hulk-ish powers, a knowledgable kunoichi who might be a medic, and the source of the Curse Seal. Basing on the team he's handpicked himself to fit into his plan, what do you think IS the plan? And how do you think Juugo's presence will affect Sasuke's Curse Seal?
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:09 am
YOu know, this is going to sound WAY out there, but this just something I came up with XD So ignore me if I'm wrong. I'm not even putting any weight into it.
What if Juugo's purpose is the curse seal enzyme--- and Sasuke wants to utilize the curse seal to a higher level? He'd need teh enzymes inside Juugo, and the medical skills and knowledge of Karin to utilize it, no? He did say he wasn't strong enough to defeat Itachi, so maybe he assumes if he gets his curse seal up another level, he will be able to defeat him.
And Suigetsu was his plan to go agaisnt fish man razz
XD Okay. Stupid idea. But it's something to start us out.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:52 pm
Sounds very probable. I actually kind of see it happening. But don't you think that sounds more like Orochi's thing? It's a scary thought - Sasuke being more like Orochimaru, that is. It gives me nasty-feeling goosebumps. And it kind of makes me feel that getting Sasuke back is going to be harder than we initially thought.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:11 pm
Tenshi no Hana-chan Sounds very probable. I actually kind of see it happening. But don't you think that sounds more like Orochi's thing? It's a scary thought - Sasuke being more like Orochimaru, that is. It gives me nasty-feeling goosebumps. And it kind of makes me feel that getting Sasuke back is going to be harder than we initially thought. Question-- what makes you think that? Elaborate, I'm curious!
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:46 pm
KanaRenee Tenshi no Hana-chan Sounds very probable. I actually kind of see it happening. But don't you think that sounds more like Orochi's thing? It's a scary thought - Sasuke being more like Orochimaru, that is. It gives me nasty-feeling goosebumps. And it kind of makes me feel that getting Sasuke back is going to be harder than we initially thought. Question-- what makes you think that? Elaborate, I'm curious!
But, see, if he DOES need Juugo for that sort of reason, doesn't it seem as if he's going down Orochimaru's path, even if it's not for the same purpose? It makes it look as if he'll do anything - ANYTHING - to get the power he needs, no matter how immoral the act will be.
Like further losing himself as he goes up a level with the Curse Seal. It may come to a point that Sasuke won't be able to control his killing urges either, if the enzyme affects him more than it should.
Orochimaru probably had less-than-evil intentions before too, and he just became totally evil when he became more and more obsessed with finding the secret of immortality.
Now, if Sasuke gets more and more obsessed with surpassing Itachi, it's rather possible that he'll get more and more evil in doing so. Though I still believe everything will turn out okay, it's going to be even harder to get Sasuke back into the fold, because they're going to have to rehabilitate any evil attitude that's going to develop in him as he goes along the road to killing Itachi.
Ohemgee. I really do sound childish.
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Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:34 pm
Tenshi no Hana-chan KanaRenee Tenshi no Hana-chan Sounds very probable. I actually kind of see it happening. But don't you think that sounds more like Orochi's thing? It's a scary thought - Sasuke being more like Orochimaru, that is. It gives me nasty-feeling goosebumps. And it kind of makes me feel that getting Sasuke back is going to be harder than we initially thought. Question-- what makes you think that? Elaborate, I'm curious!
But, see, if he DOES need Juugo for that sort of reason, doesn't it seem as if he's going down Orochimaru's path, even if it's not for the same purpose? It makes it look as if he'll do anything - ANYTHING - to get the power he needs, no matter how immoral the act will be.
Like further losing himself as he goes up a level with the Curse Seal. It may come to a point that Sasuke won't be able to control his killing urges either, if the enzyme affects him more than it should.
Orochimaru probably had less-than-evil intentions before too, and he just became totally evil when he became more and more obsessed with finding the secret of immortality.
Now, if Sasuke gets more and more obsessed with surpassing Itachi, it's rather possible that he'll get more and more evil in doing so. Though I still believe everything will turn out okay, it's going to be even harder to get Sasuke back into the fold, because they're going to have to rehabilitate any evil attitude that's going to develop in him as he goes along the road to killing Itachi.
Ohemgee. I really do sound childish.Ooooo you were bounding of my theory. You totally cleared that up for me XD Sad thing is I can see that happening Tenshi >.<
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:15 am
I'm a believer in the 'Karin is an Uchiha' theory. Whilst it is based entirely on assumptions, and many would disagree, to an extent, I think it makes sense.
If you're part of the Obito/Tobi theory (meaning you beleive that Tobi IS Obito), then that means there's three Uchihas, all of the male
Kishimoto can be over-complex, but he can also be overly cliche and unoriginal.
Which leads me to think: Oh God, is Karin an Uchiha?
What makes me say this: It's already been noted that Karin has a few attributes like Sasuke. Many will agree they do look alike. So this leads me to think, if Karin's an Uchiha, who's she related to?
It is a possibility that she could be Obito's younger sister. Absolutely nothing points to it except for assumptions and little facts that could be going anywhere. But if she is, how did she get to Orochimaru?
In a cliche-ish sense, what if she was abandoned as a child, perhaps after Obito 'died'? Orochimaru is known for picking up random children off the streets, and he could have trained Karin from scratch, not knowing she was an Uchiha.
In fact, if she is, she probably doesn't know anything about it herself. She was never trained to be an Uchiha, so she wouldn't have developed the Sharingan.
This could be Kishimoto, squirming his way out of ruining Sasuke's 'revenge-revive' plan. If he kills Itachi, he could feel he did his part of revenge. Now, if you're a believer in the 'incest keeps clans clean yay for Uchihacest that doesn't cause deformed babies wewt!', then who better to revive his clan than Karin?
Alright, now I agree....Sasuke x Karin needs a lot more developement, and is NO WHERE NEAR CANON, not even close to SasuSaku, even. But wouldn't it be the perfect way for Kishi to piss us all off? =D
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There's no need to disagree with everything I've said with cold hard facts, I know it's all assumptions, but ya know, it's fun!
ItaTobiKariSasu
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:18 pm
Bah, Uchihacest. Not that it has anything to do with the theory, but I will state that incestual made children DO HAVE MENTAL DISORDERS AND OTHER PHYSICAL AILMENTS OTHERISE NOT FOUND IN OTHER CHILDREN.
-ends her case of why Uchihacest will never happen-
Anyway~ To continue the actual discussion:
I've never even thought of this :/ I mean, the only thing about Karin that seems remotely like Sasuke is her hiar (and even then when I first saw her, I atributed her to a Kabuto lackey who is Ishida Uryuu's long lost sister). But, of course, this is Kishi, so it could go anywhere.
The Uchiha's seemed far too proud of their bloodline to just toss a child to the streets-- and if one was lost, I'm sure they would have hunted it down like mad, raging mob or at least warned all the family members that one of them was on the loose and could possibly distribute their unique Sharingan ability.
Hell, if the Uchiha wouldn't, KONOHA WOULD HAVE. The Hyuuga's protect their eye ability with their life (as Konoha would have), and I'm sure the Uchiha's would have done the same.
Even if she was kidnapped by Oro, someone through time would have noticed and I'm sure it would have been discussed before-- and be something Sasuke knew about. It would mean Orochimaru was targeting Uchihas, and the family would want to warn everyone to stay as far away from him as possible and train them specifically to do that.
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:48 am
I'm a believer of the "incest-in-clans-to-keep-bloodline-pure" principle. It's been done historically in many places, including Japan. If I remember correctly, as long as the distance between two relatives is on the second degree or higher, then the chances of having physically/mentally disabled children is lessened by much.
Now, onto the actual theorizing...
I've always just thought that Karin looks like Sasuke, but that's it. She's always seemed to me as a character whose history is not going to be delved into deeper - a tertiary character, if you may. So that alone blows the theory for me.
But then again, Kishi-sensei, though he's cliche'd in some aspects, is so very uncliche'd in others. I think it would be quite unpredictable of him to have Karin as a remotely important character, let alone an Uchiha. I mean, come on - seeing as there are supposedly only two Uchihas left, having a secret survivor would shake things up in the Narutoverse.
I agree with Renee-san on the Uchiha pride and the bonds within the clan. They wouldn't allow a family member to be abandoned just like that. And even if she were an Uchiha who was kidnapped by Orochi (when I say kidnapped, meaning she was forcibly taken away from a FAMILY), he would've found a way to unlock her Sharingan and used her for a vessel and not gone after Sasuke at all.
But yeah - if this Sasuke x Karin = Uchiha revival theory were the least bit likely, it would piss me off to high heavens. And it's not just because of the disregard for SasuSaku either. It's the utter lack of development itself. Karin should've been in Part 1 to be able to play a big part in Sasuke's goals just like that. I'm just saying.
SuigetsuKarin FTW scream !
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:08 am
I could have sworn I posted somethign here not too long ago about a new topic:
The Sasuke and Juugo comparison. NOT COUPLING. COMPARISON. Will Juugo go back to Konoha with Sasuke?
Tenshi already told me that my ideas for this were jumping the gun, but I feel the need to throw it out there to the wolves XD
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:09 pm
(Yeah, there's something about the threads that seem to be erasing posts spontaneously, because mine have been disappearing at times.)
I have told you no such thing about Juugo... I think. Unless I'm forgetting again, but whatever. I want to answer anyway.
I do think Juugo has a chance to survive all this and be able to go under the guidance of the medics in Konoha. They managed Sasuke's Curse Seal once before (well, Kakashi did, but that just goes to show you the shinobi quality in Konoha) so I don't see why they won't be able to help Juugo. He seems serious in wanting his murderous desires controlled, and I'm sure, should Konoha extend help, he wouldn't refuse.
I can seriously see Kakashi being able to convince Juugo of such a thing. Or if not him, then Sakura, being a medic. Even Naruto could probably do the job with his superb persuasion skills.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:42 pm
Tenshi no Hana-chan (Yeah, there's something about the threads that seem to be erasing posts spontaneously, because mine have been disappearing at times.)
I have told you no such thing about Juugo... I think. Unless I'm forgetting again, but whatever. I want to answer anyway.
I do think Juugo has a chance to survive all this and be able to go under the guidance of the medics in Konoha. They managed Sasuke's Curse Seal once before (well, Kakashi did, but that just goes to show you the shinobi quality in Konoha) so I don't see why they won't be able to help Juugo. He seems serious in wanting his murderous desires controlled, and I'm sure, should Konoha extend help, he wouldn't refuse.
I can seriously see Kakashi being able to convince Juugo of such a thing. Or if not him, then Sakura, being a medic. Even Naruto could probably do the job with his superb persuasion skills. You did in the manga thread I think ;/ Unless it wasn't you and was someone else. Oh well. My thoughts: Sasuke seems to be very sympathic with Juugo, and I think it's because Juugo's actualy, more or less, a very extreme version of himself. Remember Sasuke when he first had the curse seal? He was disgusted with the power and what it did, he was scared when he got out of his little event. Juugo goes from insane killer (like Sasuke became insanely violent) to timid, frightened child (like Sasuke when he stared at his hand in shock of what he'd done). Juugo and Sasuke have a lot of parrallelism, but Juugo also parallels with other characters from Team 7-- for example, Karin and Suigetsu basically view Juugo as a monster because of a power he cannot control (like the village's vew on Naruto and Kyuubi), and Juugo doesn't really want to hurt other people and is frigthened of being near people because of this (like Sakura's self esteem problem). Juugo's this big bundle of character flaws that I love, and he's pulling out some interesting reactions from Sasuke. Sasuke was the only one who wanted to SPEAK with Juugo, not fight him. He's putting Juugo on a human level instead of the level of a monster. This makes me wonder if out of Team Sasuke, we'll end up with just Juugo and Sasuke in the end. I can see Juugo going to Konoha with Sasuke in the end, and Tsunade and Sakura figuring something out to help him with his problem. Juugo is not an evil character, he just can't CONTROL what he does.
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