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 Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:19 pm
As an outside observer, I can offer this bit of advice- get a system of rules and punishment in place as quickly as possible. This may go a long way to curbing unwanted behavior, as long as the punishments are handed out evenly and fairly.
Most rps I have been involved in have a set of rules and consequences already in place- and it usually looks something like this:
Minor Offense (minor OOC flaming, minor OOC harrassment, occassional godmodding, etc.)
First offense - Formal warning, through PM.
Second offense - Second formal warning, through PM and posted to the community.
Third offense - One week character suspension (no rping allowed in journal or community threads).
Fourth offense - One week character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Fifth offense - One month character suspension (no rping allowed in journal or community threads).
Sixth offense - One month character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Seventh offense - Three month character suspension (no rping allowed in journal or community threads).
Eigth offense - Three month character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Nine+ offenses - GM's perogative to continue three month OOC and IC suspensions, or permaban.
Moderate Offense (reoccuring OOC flaming, reoccuring OOC harrassment, godmodding habit, etc.)
First offense - Formal warning, through PM and posted to the community.
Second offense - One week character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Third offense - One month character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Fourth offense - Three month character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Five+ offenses - GM's perogative to continue three month OOC and IC suspensions, or permaban.
Serious Offense (constant OOC flaming, death threats, serious OOC harrassment, etc.)
First offense - Formal warning, through PM and posted to the community- and one week character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Second offense - Three month character and OOC suspension (no posting allowed IC or OOC in journal or community threads).
Three+ offenses - GM's perogative to continue three month OOC and IC suspensions, or permaban.
Intolerable Offense (OOC stalking, OOC hacking, etc.)
First offense - Formal warning, through PM and posted to the community- and GM's perogative to give a six month OOC and IC suspension, or permaban.
Granted, this is all the opinion of someone who is not a guardian- but I thought you might like an idea or two for handling OOC problems. My apologies if I'm treading where I'm not wanted. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:27 pm
Gah, you are not treading where you aren't wanted, don't worry xd
I am looking over your list right now. Those are some good ideas. . . .
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Lenore Silme-Natenhar Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:32 pm
Yeah, no worries Moorgahaine. 3nodding I agree with the need for a codified list of rules, if only for prevention of further problems with... anybody, really.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:44 pm
*goes with Sosi on the screw anonymity thing*
I'm sorry, but whoever posted that bit about Kia not being important to RP needs to take a step back and think a moment before talking. Kia is important to Yanisin and Yanisin is important to me, thus Kia is important to me indirectly and I know it's the same for many other Guardians. I'm disgusted at whoever made that comment, regardless if its a friend of mine or not. Neith does a great job with Kia with the amount of RP and whatnot she does. Kia is very far from being neglected, like some Fa'e out there.
Neith is perfectly clear where I stand on this issue as she and I had a screamfest at each other about it about a month ago over AIM after she accused me of ignoring Kia and saying that Yani apparently didn't like Kia any longer so nothing I've said previously here is news to her.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:46 pm
Lenore Slytherin-Natenhar Gah, you are not treading where you aren't wanted, don't worry xd
I am looking over your list right now. Those are some good ideas. . . . Sosiqui Yeah, no worries Moorgahaine. 3nodding I agree with the need for a codified list of rules, if only for prevention of further problems with... anybody, really. *relieved* Thank you very much- I was really worried I was about to overstay my welcome. sweatdrop As for IMs- there isn't anything a GM can do to really stop such contact, since it happens off-site. I would suggest those having severe difficulties with a particular player set them on temporary or permanent IM block, report them to the GM for harrassment/flaming/etc., and be done with it. 3nodding In the end, rp is something we all do for fun (or is supposed to be, in any event). And as with any successful game- you gotta have rules that are clearly written, fairly applied, and flexible enough to be updated when needed. In a game with no rules, someone is bound to get hurt.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:28 pm
Changing accounts is annoying, so I'm not even bothering.
I have to agree with Jade. Whoever said that needs to take a LONG look at the fa'e RP and all of the fa'e that Kia interacts with. Solo has yet to meet Kia, to my knowledge (I'm not blessed with the best of memories, here). I honestly wouldn't deny her a RP, so long as it's not this month (NaNoWriMo is taking up most of my time). Ignoring people when you have a problem with them is just plain stupid. I used to get into fights with Miz a LOT, and because I went and ignored her, we ended up not talking for... what, nine months? Stupidest decision of my life. I think Neith needs to be given a chance, TELL her when she's annoying you. If you never tell a person that they're being stupid or something similar, then they will never change and the whole thing will go on and on and on with no end. I don't see how anyone can see any reason in that.
And Gah, of course you're not intruding. X3 I like the list you posted, most of those things I agree would be good punishments.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:38 pm
*again, outside interference*
Well, as a future guardian, I believe I have a say in this... Feel free to kick my sorry little butt if I don't.
*ahem*
Truly ? I've withnessed this myself, really. Not over fae, since the only fae Zero really interacts with anyway are Hoshi and Yani. I've been on the end of this. I've been hurt by this. I've cried over this, all because of a pet of hers that was taken away from her and given to me (Akira/I don't remember what she called him)
Does this warrent Kia being taken away ?
No.
I can understand others being pissed off by this. Part of the reason my contact info isn't in my profile is, to be blunt, because of things like this - not only because of her, mind you... Many people seems to hate my a** and most of the time I havn't really known WHY. I don't hate her, really... there are things she do that annoys me, but hell, im a b***h. If you havn't annoyed me in one way or another, consider pursuing sainthood. I don't consider her a friend simpeled because I never did talk to her much - no other reason than that.
I don't really think she's a mean person - she can be mean, yes, but the whole ongoing thing about how she only looks nice - come on, you all know better than that ! She's a nice person, yes, but with easely pushable buttons. Im not saying some of things here are unwarented... I do agree with some of what's been outlined here, but some of you people are completely overreacting. I know how dealing with her can be from that little backlash I had over Akira - but I remained calm and mostly, I believe, polite, even trough I was really crying my eyes out and almost punched a hole trough my bedroom wall. I just decided the wall was a better thing to throw my anger at than her.
Beside, you can't say you never did this. Im a friend on aim. "Omg so-so is sutch a freaking b***h OMG !" I've done it. Everyone here, im pretty sure, has done this. Neith just needs to learn to AT LEAST not attack people directly - vent to people UNRELATED to the situation, write in a book... things like this would spare alot of grief over both parties.
Neith, if you read this, don't feel like im attacking you, or holding a grudge - im not. If I was, I would not have accepted Sei, neither would I have been touched by your proposal of giving me Kia's second child. When people I trully dislike is an owner somewhere, I ignore the place. Which means that I do not hate you, I am simpely saying my side of things, and explaining my point of view. You're a little in the wrong, yes - but not as much as some do say. But I think you should not just blow up, but read... and think. Ultimately, you will decide weither what is said in this whole thread is worth acting on. And I hope you will decide to act on what you need to work on, and ignore the mindless assults.
Beside, I can't really blame her if she comes in here and gets pissed off - a couple of you have been literally egging her on ! I don't even wanna know who did a few of those comments because im pretty sure ill'd lose respect in a good chunk.
*kicks off soapbox, salutes, and waddles off*
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:45 pm
All I want to see out if this is a set of rules. A set of rules saying exactly WHAT offenses we will not tolerate and WHAT methods we will take. I do NOT think that Kia should be taken away. If we want to start that sort of witch hunt, then there a few other people I'm upset at and maybe we should take they're Fa'e away? (NOTE: this is not an opinion, it is a point for you to think on)
The reason these things happen is because we have so few rules. It was fine in the beginning, but now that we've grown to such an extent, we need clarification. I can see good points in Moorg's layout... but is that too lenient? I'm not sure. I'd like to see a forum of the Guardians voting on it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:52 pm
The_Voice Now, leaving my level head behind. I'd like to point out two things that rather upset me..... These are purely opinion. 1) The teen pregnancy. It may have been part of a storyline but following closely on the heels of the Silver/Sati soon to be marriage and Shina's pregnancy, it came across as a play for attention. Or one of those 'I have to be part of the revolutionary crowd'. And I thought Anya mentioned that teen was too early to be pregnant? Perhaps I was mistaken. And 2) The way Kia is, having so many lives, and being so many things and being involved in the past of so many characters... It's hard for me and my character to approach her. These may have been discussed with the other players involved, but as she is, Kia comes across as such a HUGE character with so many powers and stories and lives... it feels like... why bother with my own character? ...See, I told someone that this was how people would take it. >_< I'd been planning the plot since September, I didnt' even know about the other plots then. x_x
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:52 pm
I think Moore's punishments were okay, but the RULES themselves were too vague. We need to set out more clear, defined, and specific rules. I've been penning out a list I'll post later when I think I have most of 'em, and then ask for suggestions.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:57 pm
The_Voice She has been attacking people since Feburary, all because a few fa'es went on a trip, I do not understand why, she wasn't part of the storyline. She had to b***h about it over aim and in fa'e, she got it to the point where Kia snapped at a fa'e because they went on a trip, she didn't get angry at them all, just one fa'e, then attack that guardian over aim saying that the next time they do a storyline to make sure they check with her first. Why does she feel she has the right to dicated everyone storylines, she has done this to countless guardians. I'm not sure why we're opening old wounds here, that have been delt with and gotten over... BUT. You also forget to add that it was Nyoka, Shina and Ghlyssa. This plot was started a week after Kia was kidnapped by Kapu. I was upset, because I knew that Kia needed her closest female friends. The plot was bad timing. I was more upset than I should have been. I appoligzed, I was SURE that this was all over. Quote: Also this other thing about the GMFC, its not right, everyone has changed there storyline, why can't she, because she set in a way that she doesn't care at this point, she wanted to make sure she could keep a kid, the kid I understand will be mortal, but she still underminded what the guardians just voted on. ...the 'vote' started after I figured out the plot with Konaru and came up with a different idea and AFTER I'd agreed that we couldn't be guardians of their baby. Edit- And I'm pretty sure it was about guardians keeping their fa'e's babies in general in teh future, not about me?
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:06 pm
The_Voice I Yeah, she is a bit of an attention hog. With wings and all these different characters and Kia getting married and getting pregnant, but, how do we know that she didn't already have this all planned? I agree that she should not be so complicated. Yes, that also needs to be adressed. Firstly, the reason she has wings because all along, she's been whats' known as 'Bennu'. It's an Egyptian Phoneix. (See her kid-to-teen quest, when she burnt to ashes.) Look it up if you want. And Kia isn't getting married. O_o Unless you know something I don't?
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:18 pm
Ok. I'm going to hate doing this when I swing back, because I'll assume that the problem isn't as bad as it is, and I'll try and live life and continue on and pretend nothing's wrong as I've been doing for the past six years. ...That and it really should be obvious that the problem's just a TINY bit more than personality. O_o Quote: Like diabetes and heart disease, bipolar disorder is a real medical condition, and like both of these illnesses, it can be treated effectively. Bipolar disorder is also known as manic-depressive illness. It causes dramatic mood swings—from "high" feelings of extreme euphoria or irritability (mania) to hopelessness (depression). Each episode of mania or depression changes a person's energy level, thought process, and behavior, and can last for hours, weeks, or several months. This disease can damage relationships, can cause problems with school and work, and can even lead to suicide. I was diogonzed yesterday. I realized this could be the problem a week ago, when a friend told me that she had it and told me what her life was like. And in case anyone needs to double check that, and again, I'll regreat this when I swing over... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/elfy_girls_from_gaia/stuff.jpgLet me make this clear to everyone. I hate how I act as well, and I hated that I couldn't ever explain it or understand what was wrong with me. I've been to hospitals, doctors, everything possbile in the last six years trying to figure out why I couldn't help impusive eating, why I was sick, why I was so depressed... and then I'd feel GREAT and think 'It was just passing.' And then it'd start again. And when I came out of my lows, I felt terrible, and tried everything I could to make a person understand how sorry I was. Over AIM. And I probably overdo it, I know. x_x And I'm still sorry. I should have noticed this earlier, or something.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:21 pm
I just want to point this out and say - as someone who have suffered through mental conditions as well.
You still have to be held accountable for your actions. You still have to realize that the words you say still hurt. I've hurt so many of my friends due to my "problems" but sickness or not, you have to be held accountable.
Bipolar or not, if there are rules set out you will still have to abide by them. I hope you realize that.
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:26 pm
Of course! I'm not saying it's made my behavior right.
My point is that I didn't know. And if I had, I would have done something sooner, because I hate how I act, just as much as everyone else does.
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