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What's your political affiliation? |
Democrat |
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27% |
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Republican |
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8% |
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Independent |
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30% |
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Green |
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13% |
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Other (Please specify.) |
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19% |
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:06 pm
I used to be a liberal democrat, but now that I'm actually of voting age, I'm more centrist and don't consider myself a member of any party.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:33 pm
chessiejo chaoticpuppet chessiejo woah, i am practically off the scale in economics; the closest to me is nelson mandela eek Economic Left/Right: -8.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33 but i'm still a nice person! (i just hate rich people xp ) There are two books you should read, since they would basically go along with your political/economic stance they are: Das Kapital - Marx The Communist Manifesto - Marx i did read Das Kapital, or tried to. it was very dry reading, or else an awkward translation. Marx was not very kind to religion either, although he did say it filled a real need in easing some of the pain of the masses. i was impressed with how well he picked apart the problems of industrial society, and i agree that anyone who works should own or have a vital interest in their product and not just be "labor capital". but i can't say his action proposals were very realistic. Yes, they are both very dry, but so are most political-economic books. The only thing I do not like about Marx is how he believes that the working class will rise up on their own, I do not think they will, I believe (as lenin said) that they will push for things like better wages, shorter workdays, better working conditions, etc. and then they will get them ,and they will be satisfied for awhile, until such a time that technology can improve something else for them. As Lenin put it, that is trade union mentality, the workers will never rise without a group of revolutionaries helping them rise above, so to speak.
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:54 am
chaoticpuppet chessiejo chaoticpuppet chessiejo woah, i am practically off the scale in economics; the closest to me is nelson mandela eek Economic Left/Right: -8.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33 but i'm still a nice person! (i just hate rich people xp ) There are two books you should read, since they would basically go along with your political/economic stance they are: Das Kapital - Marx The Communist Manifesto - Marx i did read Das Kapital, or tried to. it was very dry reading, or else an awkward translation. Marx was not very kind to religion either, although he did say it filled a real need in easing some of the pain of the masses. i was impressed with how well he picked apart the problems of industrial society, and i agree that anyone who works should own or have a vital interest in their product and not just be "labor capital". but i can't say his action proposals were very realistic. Yes, they are both very dry, but so are most political-economic books. The only thing I do not like about Marx is how he believes that the working class will rise up on their own, I do not think they will, I believe (as lenin said) that they will push for things like better wages, shorter workdays, better working conditions, etc. and then they will get them ,and they will be satisfied for awhile, until such a time that technology can improve something else for them. As Lenin put it, that is trade union mentality, the workers will never rise without a group of revolutionaries helping them rise above, so to speak. i don't know about bloody revolution, i'm more of a pacifist. so if that is what's needed then i'd better hop off this bus.
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:41 pm
chessiejo chaoticpuppet chessiejo chaoticpuppet chessiejo woah, i am practically off the scale in economics; the closest to me is nelson mandela eek Economic Left/Right: -8.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33 but i'm still a nice person! (i just hate rich people xp ) There are two books you should read, since they would basically go along with your political/economic stance they are: Das Kapital - Marx The Communist Manifesto - Marx i did read Das Kapital, or tried to. it was very dry reading, or else an awkward translation. Marx was not very kind to religion either, although he did say it filled a real need in easing some of the pain of the masses. i was impressed with how well he picked apart the problems of industrial society, and i agree that anyone who works should own or have a vital interest in their product and not just be "labor capital". but i can't say his action proposals were very realistic. Yes, they are both very dry, but so are most political-economic books. The only thing I do not like about Marx is how he believes that the working class will rise up on their own, I do not think they will, I believe (as lenin said) that they will push for things like better wages, shorter workdays, better working conditions, etc. and then they will get them ,and they will be satisfied for awhile, until such a time that technology can improve something else for them. As Lenin put it, that is trade union mentality, the workers will never rise without a group of revolutionaries helping them rise above, so to speak. i don't know about bloody revolution, i'm more of a pacifist. so if that is what's needed then i'd better hop off this bus. Well, Lenin said revolution through actual warfare, whereas Marx isn't really clear on what the proletariet revolution will involve, it may be strictly through the ballot box (votes) or through actual warfare.
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:13 pm
First, let me state my slight lack of surprise that no one on the poll has been marked "Republican."
Ah Politics...the game of Patriachal power that does no good for anyone except whoever the top layer is.
I hate politics. I'm good at it, but I hate them. They don't make any sense...they play games with people's existances for reasons that don't make any sense.
I suppose I'm a liberal by nature, but I'd like to believe I go a touch farther. I dislike all of these Democratic "play the middle" games...the Greens have a good idea, but they don't have the right technique quite yet...
I suppose it all boils down to this: Government exists to provide support for the people. People give up rights (taxes, land, some of their freedoms) in order to recieve certain human guarentees (food, shelter, health care, protection of expression, protection from attack, peace of mind). When the government can't do that anymore, it's time to start fresh.
Anyone notice that the current United States government is kinda missing...well, about all of those guarentees I mentioned? That's what happens when one accepts politics. People take power, and never remember to give service back. It's a dirty system...
But, until the Apocalypse wipes away the corruption of the government, I'll vote Democratic until I can vote Canadian.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:19 am
i recommend "The Politics of Jesus" by John Howard Yoder.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:51 am
Naeryn I'm rediculously liberal, though I'd never *vote* liberal. Because the liberals are idiots. I'm Pagan, so I think you can figure out where my political affiliation is. *coughgreencough* I like the Green party, not only because they're like "ooo environmentaliness" but because they seem smart. They've got some good ideas for things to do, and they seem to be open minded enough not to ******** up other people's lives based on their own prejudices (*coughgaymarriagecough*) Also, I'm Canadian (booya!), so that probably comes into play too. Because I don't really worry about US politics or anything. I just know Bush is an idiot... seriously. I don't care about his opinions or where he's from, the former he has a right to and the latter he can't control. What I have a problem with is his stupidity. Sheer, utter stupidity. i don't understand, if you are liberal, why wouldn't you vote liberal? i are speaking of a particular party? i don't let my religion influnce my politics, and i think it's everyone's responsiblity, who believe in seperation of chruch and state should ensure that they do not either. for example, being that i believe in reincarnation, i should have no problems with abortions at anytime or capital punishment, but neither of these are the case. i have been working my way from the bottom of this forum up, and i'm suprised abortion hasn't come up yet. maybe i'll start a thread when i'm done. Economic Left/Right: -0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:31 pm
I'm a liberal, but I refuse to call myself a Democrat.
I've only voted once, and it was admittedly Democrat, but I still disagree with their methods. Can't we have any honorable or at least honest politicians?
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:08 pm
I generally agree with Republican views, but I will vote for whoever presents the best morals. Religion is the reason parties exist. Different religions believe different things so *pop* parties were born. People say God bless America. So when bad stuff happens, they pray. Well, to stop that bad stuff, vote for what is right. God doesn't say to sit on your lazy ars and pray. He says pray and then speak up and believe in what you pray. Vote Today!!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:14 pm
So, who wants to hear something ironic?
Well, there was a time when I was a Marxist Socialist, then I moved over to Leninism, now I have completely reverted and gone from far Left to mid-range Right. Now, I am for a Constitutional Monarchy, with a Parliament, and preferably with a Mercantilist/Neo-Mercantilist/Capitalist Economy.
So, not only have my politics changed, my economics did a complete 180. Went from State-planned economy to a free market economy.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:08 pm
chaoticpuppet So, who wants to hear something ironic? Well, there was a time when I was a Marxist Socialist, then I moved over to Leninism, now I have completely reverted and gone from far Left to mid-range Right. Now, I am for a Constitutional Monarchy, with a Parliament, and preferably with a Mercantilist/Neo-Mercantilist/Capitalist Economy. So, not only have my politics changed, my economics did a complete 180. Went from State-planned economy to a free market economy. that's intereseting, why the change? oh and a comment on what someone else said, you don't have to be liberal to be a democrat or conservitive to be a republican.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:10 pm
i dont keep up on politics, but then, ive got an odd definition of it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:33 am
Schildkrote i dont keep up on politics, but then, ive got an odd definition of it. that's your perogative. [rant]however i think anyone that doesn't keep up on politics has no right to complain about their respective democratic government.[/rant]
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:23 pm
Kalorn chaoticpuppet So, who wants to hear something ironic? Well, there was a time when I was a Marxist Socialist, then I moved over to Leninism, now I have completely reverted and gone from far Left to mid-range Right. Now, I am for a Constitutional Monarchy, with a Parliament, and preferably with a Mercantilist/Neo-Mercantilist/Capitalist Economy. So, not only have my politics changed, my economics did a complete 180. Went from State-planned economy to a free market economy. that's intereseting, why the change? oh and a comment on what someone else said, you don't have to be liberal to be a democrat or conservitive to be a republican. Well, in case you didn't know, Communism proposes that eventually there will be anarchy; however anarchy is impossible to attain. Anarchy is the complete absence of a government body. However, within communism, there will still be a social contract. That social contract will become a government body. Since there is a government body, there will be no anarchy. Also, not to forget, other than the eventaul lead to anarchism, Communsim proposes no politics, it is strictly economics. It is an economics based off of a closening of the gap between the wealthy and the poor; in other words, most possible careers will pay the same as any other career (or at least a similar enough price). I used to think that was good, then I took a Politics and Macroeconomics course. In a nutshell, both these courses stated something of the nature "Communism is stupid, this is why..." (though they didn't use those exact words.) During my Politics course, I switched over to Leninism, because Marx didn't account for the trade union mentality. That is, Marx didn't account for the fact that the trade unions will never go farther than trying to attain the immediate wants of the members of the trade union. For example, the workers will be satisfied with better wages, less hours, and a safer workplace. When they get those, they will stop protesting. Lenin said that the workers needed a strong push from outside the trade unions. I switched economic theories because of the simple question "Why should a physician make just as much as a garbage collector?" A physician is a specialized job, which requires years of training, a garbage collector is a position that can be attianed without a highschool diploma. It doesn't seem fair to pay the person who contributes more to society the same as a person who contributes less to society. As for my politics, I consider myself conservative, not because I am now a republican, I consider myself a conservative because I want a Constitutional Monarchy. In other words, the type of government I find preferable is a little farther to the right on the political spectrum than what we currently have. As to why they changed from far left to mid-right, that was mostly because of the economic reasons stated above.
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:59 pm
'tis now a centerist, favoring a parliamentory government.
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