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 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:44 am
Katleene-chan You did an awesome job! Very clear and concise. I haven't read through of all of it yet, however I would like to suggest a part on Idioms. I do not want to be out of my place, however got a couple of suggestions that maybe helpful. I know these things helped me a lot. I know there are sites online which have pronunciation of some basic things which might be useful for anyone who wants to know how something sounds. About.com is a useful one. Also, some other sites of interest, if anyone is interested,is wordreference.com (online french dictionary-it has quite a few idioms) and verbix.com (which does verb conjugations) Yes? Well , thanks !
Though I think it's a bit messy XD
Idioms... That's a good idea indeed !
Gimme your suggestions ;]
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Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:11 pm
 "Je t'aime..."Wow! I love how organized your lessons are. I know that if I'd had any inkling of the language at all, then I'd most definitely be able to learn quite a bit from this thread. Once summer finally gets here I'll be able to set my full attention on learning though.
The one suggestion that I'd have to agree with is the proninciation thing, specifically for accents. I'm clueless when it comes to them, so it'd be a wonderful help if there was a section on that as well. :] "...I know."
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:05 am
. S t a r f ! s h . "Je t'aime..."Wow! I love how organized your lessons are. I know that if I'd had any inkling of the language at all, then I'd most definitely be able to learn quite a bit from this thread. Once summer finally gets here I'll be able to set my full attention on learning though.
The one suggestion that I'd have to agree with is the proninciation thing, specifically for accents. I'm clueless when it comes to them, so it'd be a wonderful help if there was a section on that as well. :] "...I know." Yes I planned on doing that, but I had the French language of the month to do in April and my finals in May so... xP They are just over so I'll do the pronounciation soon :3
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:57 pm
I need to practice tenses ;__; I've only got down the passé compossé and the imparfait..
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:53 pm
Really well done! I love it!
I took three years of French in high school and was wanting to freshen up recently. This is great! You've even got the tenses we never learned in class (passé simple was for the fourth year students razz ).
If you say "mon nom," however, is it wrong to use "ma nomme" if you're female? It's something I can't remember at all . . .
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:12 am
BishoujoMagic Really well done! I love it! I took three years of French in high school and was wanting to freshen up recently. This is great! You've even got the tenses we never learned in class (passé simple was for the fourth year students razz ). If you say "mon nom," however, is it wrong to use "ma nomme" if you're female? It's something I can't remember at all . . . XD
No. You say 'mon nom' whatever 'genre' you are ;D 'Nom' is a masculine.
And thanks ;o
As for passé simple, it's sort of stupid that they don't teach it to you because you can't avoid it XD It's a really very used tense
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:53 am
VII ) Conjugation
1 ) Indicative Mode C ) Verbes du 2nd groupe / Second group verbs
The 2nd group is made exclusively of verbs ending in 'ir'
This one if probabily the easiest group XD
Finir
All the verbs of the 2nd group are conjugated this way : radical + termination [ which is in bold ]
'xcept for haïr [ hate ]
Présent de l'Indicatif / present
Je finis
Tu finis
Il finit
Nous finissons
Vous finissez
Ils finissent
Imparfait / Past Simple
Je finissais
Tu finissais
Il finissait
Nous finissions
Vous finissiez
Ils finissaient
Passé Simple / Past simple
Je finis
Tu finis
Il finit
Nous finîmes
Vous finîres
Ils finirent
Futur / Future
Je finirai
Tu finiras
Il finira
Nous finirons
Vous finirez
Ils finirent
Haïr [ phonetically : a-i-r ]
Présent de l'Indicatif / present
Je hais [ é ]
Tu hais [ é ]
Il hait [ é ]
Nous haïssons [ a-iss-on ]
Vous haïssez [ a-iss-é ]
Ils haïssent [ a-iss ]
Imparfait / Past Simple
Je haïssais [ a-iss-é ]
Tu haïssais [ "" ]
Il haïssait [ ""]
Nous haïssions [ a-issi-on ]
Vous haïssiez [ a-issi-é ]
Ils haïssaient [ a-issé ]
Passé Simple / Past simple
Je haïs [ a-i ]
Tu haïs [ "" ]
Il haït [ "" ]
Nous haïmes [ a-im ]
Vous haïtes [ a-it ]
Ils haïrent [ a-ir ]
Futur / Future
Je haïrai [ a-ir-é ]
Tu haïras [ a-ir-a ]
Il haïra [ "" ]
Nous haïrons [ a-ir-on ]
Vous haïrez [ a-ir-é ]
Ils haïront [ a-ir-on ]
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:15 am
VII ) Conjugation
2) Participe / Participle A ) Present
Participle present is the french equivalent of 'radical+ing'
For example : Watching me = Me regardant
1er groupe / 1st group
You just take the radical of the verb and add 'ant' at the end
Ex : Parler -> Parlant / Speaking
2nd groupe / 2nd group
Here, you have to add 'issant' after the radical
Ex: Finir -> Finissant [ Finishing ]
Rougir -> Rougissant [ Blushing ]
3ème groupe / 3rd group
The most ... joyful one D:
It's extremely irregular there .
So let's do the most useful ones
Aller -> Allant [ Going ]
Verbs ending in 'rir' / 'vir'[and that are in the list of the 3rd group ]
[ Dormir [sleep] , courir [run] , mourir [ die ] , servir [ serve ]etc etc ]
Just add 'ant' after the radical : Dormir -> Dormant
And if it ends in 'rir' , you double the 'r' . Ex : Courir : Courrant [ Running ]
Voir[see] [ and , revoir [re-see ] , etc ]
Voir -> Voyant [ Seeing ] [ v-oi-i-an ]
!! Verbs such as 'Recevoir' [ receive ] contain 'voir' but it's 'recevant'
Savoir
Savoir -> Sachant [ knowing ]
Pouvoir
Pouvoir -> Pouvant [ erm. Can-ing ? XDD ]
Vouloir
Vouloir -> Voulant [ Wanting ]
Faire
Faire -> Faisant [ Doing / Making ] [ f-eu-z-an ]
Verbs such as ' Lire [ read ] , dire [ say ]
Radical + 'sant'
Dire -> Disant [ Saying ] [ dee-z-an ]
Avoir [have]
Avoir -> Ayant [ having ] [ é-ii-an ]
Être [ be ]
Être -> étant [ being ] [ é-t-an ]
P.S : The french equivalent of 'he is radical+ing = Il est en train de verb at the infinitive
Ex : Il était en train de se lever = He was waking up
B ) Passé / Past
Now it gets a little bit more complicated : D
GRAMMAR !
So.
In french, you have to use past participle when you use composed tenses such as Passé composé, plus que parfait, etc .
The thing is , in those cases , the past participle might or might not take the genre & number of the subject.
It depends on the auxiliaries.
1) If it's the auxiliary 'être' [ be ] , the past participle always takes the genre & number of the subject
Ex : Partir -> Past participle : parti
Elles [ feminine + plural ] étaient parties [ 'e' for the feminine, 's' for the plural ] : They were gone
[ Well, when you use pronominal verbs, it's not always the case, but I don't want to get you all confused ;D ]
2) If it's the auxiliary 'avoir' [have] , the past participle doesn't take the genre & number of the subject EXCEPT [ as always :') ] when the COD [ Complément d'Objet Direct [ Direct object complement ] ] is placed before the auxiliary. That's where it gets a bit complicated
For example : [ I being a girl ] J'avais conduit la voiture [ voiture = COD ] = I had driven the car [ voiture is a feminine in french ] .
The COD being placed after the auxiliary, the past participle doesn't take any genre.
BUT if it was something like "la voiture que j'avais conduite" = the car that I had driven '
Why ? Because , here the COD is 'que' . And 'que' is the antecedent of the word 'voiture' . So it's considered as a feminine. And here, as the COD is placed before the auxiliary, it takes the genre & number, which in this case is singular & feminine .
BUT if it's Passive , for example have been operated , since the auxiliary of the verb operated is 'be', here it'd take the genre & number of the subject, wherever the COD might be . If it's a girl saying that it'd be 'j'ai été opérée [ man : J'ai été opéré ]
1er groupe / 1st group
Radical + é [ ex : aimer -> aimé [ masculine singular ]
2nd groupe / 2nd group
Radical + i : Finir -> Fini [ so 'ie' if it's a feminine ]
3ème groupe / 3rd group
Most used verbs
Faire [ doing/making ]
-> Fait [ f-é ]
Dire [say]
-> Dit [ di ]
Savoir [ know ]
-> Su
Pouvoir [can]
-> Pu
Vouloir [ want ]
-> Voulu
Être [ be ]
-> été
Avoir [ have ]
-> Eu [ It's pronounced 'u' . Not 'eu' . Srsly XD ]
Voir [ see ]
-> Vu
Aller [ go ]
Allé
Venir [ come ]
Venu [ v-eu-n-u ]
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:41 pm
I found your lessons very good yet confusing and knowing some french, keep in mind that j'adore is i love not j'aime.J'aime is i like
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:30 pm
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I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but I think that she, as a fluent French speaker, should know what means what.
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:28 am
Kalathma :
I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but I think that she, as a fluent French speaker, should know what means what.
Well yes, I hope I do x'DD
Myuumerumisohma : Well, in french from France, Je t'adore is more a friendly way to say you like someone.
Je t'aime is like love ;]
Actually , it's more complicated XD It depends on what you mean
- If you say to someone you love him / her , it's 'aimer' [ je t'aime ], if you mean it in a friendly way it's 'adorer' [ je t'adore ]
- But, if you're talking of someone else that isn't present, and you say for exemple ' I like her, she's cool, blablabla' , in french you'd say ' je l'aime bien ' [ the idiom is 'bien aimer' ! Not just 'aimer' alone [ if you said 'je l'aime' that would be like real love ] ] , and 'je l'adore' would be a really strong friendship.
- Or if you're talking of an inanimate thing, "j'adore" is stronger than "j'aime" : example ' j'adore les pizzas' would be stronger than "j'aime les pizzas'
Hope I didn't get you to confused XDD
But if you use a sentence like ' I'd like to have water' , in french it's ' j'aimerais' . That doesn't mean at all that 'aimer' = 'like' . It's just in the french idiom, we use 'aimer'.
What exactly was confusing ? So I can fix that !
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:04 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:46 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:03 am
Haha, c'est dur pour les étrangers... Faut éviter de faire trop compliqué.
Love :
Je t'aime = I love you. For example : "Oh darling, I love you !!!"
Friendship :
Je t'aime bien = I like you. For example : "You're a cool person, I like you."
Je t'adore = I adore you. For example : "You're my best friend !! I adore you !!"
Interest :
J'aime [...] = I love [...] . For example : "J'aime lire" = "I love reading"
J'adore [...] = I adore [...] . For example : "J'adore les mathématiques" = "I adore mathematics"
J'aime bien [...] = I like [...] . For example : "J'aime bien parler" = "I like speaking"
Now, if you don't understand, I shoot me a bullet in the head... °o°'
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:33 am
I would just like to know, what do accents do?
You may have put it down and I may have just been blind to it, but...
Especially, how come in French writings, I see ultiple accents per word?
And what is that '^' symbol over letters?
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