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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:06 pm
Still, Elladan, you're the one advocating a points system. You know that a number of people new to the roleplay are going to say they're Jedi, then likely ignore the carefully formulated plan you came up with. Besides, it's extremely annoying to give someone all that power when they don't know how to use it. See the noob point brought up by Seffy above.
Christ, I wonder if the writers of the Constitution felt like this. <<;;;
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:32 pm
Then call me a Federalist and shoot me in the back. I advocate strong central leadership, even though I have no power myself, save my voice.
Besides, people who disobey the rules and such will end up getting kicked out or warned away from the RP, they'll get mad, and noone will come. Noone wants that, me included.
But I'd like to enjoy my RP. Not watch it be butchered by kids with the vocabulary of a seventh-grader.
How about this: Anyone who wants to be a Force-Adept, have them fill out a VERY DETAILED, pre-formatted Application, and send it in. The best applications are ALLOWED to be Force-Adepts (But might not necesarrily use said application).
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ElladanKenet Vice Captain
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Sephiroth_2000 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:06 pm
We've tried that system before, and there is one fundamental flaw with it, which we didn't discover until after we tried it. It'll do my best to explain the problem coheriently xD
Such a system often leads to people quitting before they get started. Let's say, hypothetically, I'm one of the people who doesn't meet the application requirements to become a Jedi. I've just made an entire character, history, description etc. on a Jedi character, just for someone to tell me 'no'. It's not something you can simply edit a few mistakes in to change it to a Non-Jedi Character, everything needs to be changed. Rather than spending time and effort into recreating a new character, I'd me more inclined to just forget.
Also, many members who would otherwise qualify to be Jedi choose to make Non-Jedi Characters. Obviously you see the flaw here, because they are unlikely to want to make a Jedi character, otherwise they would have made their first application around one.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:54 pm
Wild Cards Christ, I wonder if the writers of the Constitution felt like this. <<;;; I would say more than somewhat. That said, I'm against numeralizing RP, for all the reasons Seph said.
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ElladanKenet Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:01 pm
True, Seph. Guess we need some kind of compromise.
What if newbies, or people who fail the test, get stuck under the apprenticeship of someone who passes.
Say, Person A fails the test, but Person B passes. Regardless what they submitted to be, arrange so that Person A becomes the apprentice to Person B/C/D/etc. This way, said person can undergo an actual apprenticeship, Jedi-style, and learn their errors.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:24 pm
I rather like the application Idea...granted, if we had a force Adept faction, I would love to be the one heading it....then I could have a hippie esque master of 'nature'. with plant control...and comprehend languages...and healing...and probably affect mind as well. wouldn't be much of a combat master...but he'd be damn good at avoiding combat...probably base him around a level 11 to 13 Force Adept build (d20 style).
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:53 pm
Applications can often be misleading, a detailed app looks great, but then the roleplay comes and whadda ya know the guys an idiot! I say use the app to weed out those that cant even give a good app, then take the handful that passed the Force adept skill BUT through rping give them a set midochlorian count, this keeps them in check. (The mido count can raise through rping) -OR-
Have a pre RP that can lead up to the Main RP, (the story can be something of the Factions of opposing sides looking for adepts) NO ONE rping can have no knowledge or skills pertaining to force use, after the RP use thier RPing skills and determine who gets the PRIVILAGE of being force sensitive. Sort of like a draft. This allows everyone to get familiar to one anothers rp style, and sets up the story. It also shows the true potential and maturity of people applying for it, rather than just going off a app.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:21 pm
Jeez, we don't even have a storyline yet....
Still, I like Armageddon's second idea. That would definitely weed out those who doesn't seem to be skilled enough to be Force-adepts. However, what if everyone says it takes too long and quits? Sure, some could stay, but how will we actually know? Then there's the probability that no one gets qualified....
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:38 am
At least by doing this we'll have an rp going! its been what 3 months going on 4 without it. The story doesnt really need to be that detailed, just a precursor leading up the main story. And those that come after this, must wait and be selected during the actual Rp itself. Tough s**t if you come late, just give a fair enough warning that the pre story is occuring and what it entails.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:18 pm
First we have a thread to post idea's for a storyline. All these things need to be taken into account when we make/pick a storyline to use so everything fits. Second yes, many people will leave thinking it takes to long. The last RP we had it took 7 months for my character to go from a padawan to a knight, and that was a little to fast to start with. The reason it takes so long is people need time to think and to plan out each post, one of the biggest thing people ALWAYS tend to forget is that their character IS NOT them. Many people need time to understand what their character would do in responce to everything that has, or is happening in that moment and that should be true for every post.
Yes, making to RP is taking much, much, much, much longer then even I thought it would. But this is all to make sure that the next one we make doesn't like die in 2 weeks. Some ideas we have though about is that EVERYONE will start with a new character, starting all over. True the character can have the same name and maybe act the same but it will be a new person will no memories of the old RP.
Heres and idea no one can be a jedi, or at least not ask to be one. Like, only a Jedi or Dark Jedi have tell if you are force sencitive and able to be trained. This will make it to where no power hungry people will be jedi and give more control over those powers. Also this will give people time to build their character up in the line of how they act and who the character is as a person. Myself I like this idea because it will keep the population of dark jedi and jedi lower then the genral population just like it should be. If you could give me some feed back on this idea, do you like it or not and as always why?
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:15 pm
Guilyn I feel both of our ideas parallel each others closely. use both of our ideas as one. I'd say that have the no jedi/dark jedi rule to begin with totally, as the rp progresses a faction can attempt to darft a person to thier side if they see fit (This can be a NPC or a Mod with the granted power) That day the user accepts the invitation activates his FS (force sensitivity) and is able to recieve training, at that point he continues down the path of abilities granted with that faction. At any point he can remove himself from that faction and attempt to join another faction, when looking for another faction his training freezes and remains unprogessive until training is resumed with another faction, He/she must start at the bottom of the tree with that faction but can maintained the training he/she recieved earlier.
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:39 pm
Guilyn First we have a thread to post idea's for a storyline. All these things need to be taken into account when we make/pick a storyline to use so everything fits. Second yes, many people will leave thinking it takes to long. The last RP we had it took 7 months for my character to go from a padawan to a knight, and that was a little to fast to start with. The reason it takes so long is people need time to think and to plan out each post, one of the biggest thing people ALWAYS tend to forget is that their character IS NOT them. Many people need time to understand what their character would do in responce to everything that has, or is happening in that moment and that should be true for every post. Yes, making to RP is taking much, much, much, much longer then even I thought it would. But this is all to make sure that the next one we make doesn't like die in 2 weeks. Some ideas we have though about is that EVERYONE will start with a new character, starting all over. True the character can have the same name and maybe act the same but it will be a new person will no memories of the old RP. Heres and idea no one can be a jedi, or at least not ask to be one. Like, only a Jedi or Dark Jedi have tell if you are force sencitive and able to be trained. This will make it to where no power hungry people will be jedi and give more control over those powers. Also this will give people time to build their character up in the line of how they act and who the character is as a person. Myself I like this idea because it will keep the population of dark jedi and jedi lower then the genral population just like it should be. If you could give me some feed back on this idea, do you like it or not and as always why?I thought you bold statement was how it already was, and this thread was just a bunch of what if's and such? it's always fun to bat ideas around...even if they never see the light of day...or the moon of night.
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ElladanKenet Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:22 pm
We all have good ideas, really. We just need to figure out which one the common folk prefer. Poll?
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:35 pm
ElladanKenet We all have good ideas, really. We just need to figure out which one the common folk prefer. Poll? oh no....last time we left things to the common folk, they invented dwarf tossing as a sport. lets just argue it out between ourselves....it's louder and less dependent on what people who might abuse too lenient a system might vote for.
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Sephiroth_2000 Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:01 am
A poll isn't needed as the general views on an idea can been seen by the responses. Moreover, polls are subject to distorted results (use of mules and pollwhores).
But, this thread has lost focus. It's about the selection of Force Users, not the formation of a Neutral Force Group (or similar by another name). Contrary to what people say, the two do not go hand in hand.
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