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Hinekome

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:45 pm


You are all foolish!!!
We all know deep down that the best characters are tied for number 1. They are...
Trowa Barton and Duo Maxwell
No other characters can match them, Trowa with his slight insane atitude and Duo with his in your face atitude.
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:34 pm


yeah why don't you give a reason that they are the best besides them being your faverite. like i did oh. and duo and trowa lost to miliardo in the same fight so no they may be your faverite but are not the best

Gelenor the Blood Knight


Sailor Gundam 06
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:45 pm


gundam fan zero:

I honestly have to disagree with you about mercy being a weakness. Sometimes, it takes a much stronger person to hold back than it does to act on violent feelings. Strength is not just physical. There's more to life than beating someone in a fight... more things a person needs to deal with... more responsibilities.

Also, you speak of Quatre like you never saw the second half of the series.

Mastering a skill takes time. It doesn't happen overnight. Even Heero had trouble with the ZERO system the first time around. It took him over on Lunar base during the testing. The Epyon took him over as well, and he decimated an entire battlefield because he thought everyone was his enemy. Honestly, it's like driving a car and driving a 18-wheeler. Even if you know how to drive from being in the car, you still have to learn and master driving the truck. It's not going to happen right away. When Quatre used the ZERO system at the end of the series, he had mastered it, and was able to use to develop strategies. He may not be the strongest fighter, but he was the best tactician.

Also, during that battle, he used his tactical skills to find weakpoints in the White Fang forces. He then gave Wufei, Trowa, and Duo paths and goals to help them win the battle. They all followed through on those suggestions from Quatre. Only Wufei broke off from his objective, but that's because he was challenged to a duel by Treize.

Quatre also did initially expect to die when he self-destructed his Gundam. However, the design of the Gundam's self-destruct system had a timer he clearly didn't know about. It's possible Instructor H installed it to give Quatre time to escape in case he had to destroy Sandrock. However, that's the only time you see anything about it. Quatre doesn't question why Sandrock's hatch opens unexpectedly after he hits the button. Instead, he realizes that he has been given an opportunity to continue fighting another way, and he bails out.

I'm not saying Quatre's the best. I enjoy roleplaying him, however, and find him an enjoyable character to watch grow. I don't expect you to change your favorite, but I would appreciate it if you didn't insult other people's choices. Calling him a "wussy" with no illustration at the time, and the fact that your wording in your other post did come across to readers as somewhat confrontational and more emotional than factual does discredit you slightly. Also, you seem to have missed acknowledging that the character does grow, and apparently missed the episode where Quatre uses the ZERO system a second time... successfully.

Also... Trowa wasn't in the fight with Milliardo and the two Virgo MDs that I remember. It was Duo and Quatre... Milliardo used the two MDs to keep Duo busy, hoarding the planet defensors from those suits around Epyon to protect himself, while he focused on Quatre because Quatre was the one coordinating maneuvers between Deathscythe and Sandrock. In fact, he said, "If I take out the brains..."

Yuriko Kaijou:

WOW!!! *hugs* Haven't seen you in ages, chica! Good to have you back!

I have to agree that Episode Zero changed my opinion of Wufei as well... as did Endless Waltz. I really didn't like him through much of the series, but he did start to make a turnaround towards the end. I truly began to appreciate his character and the dynamic of his personality much more after I read Episode Zero and saw the OVA.

I have to agree with you on Une's feelings towards Treize as well. Plus, on top of that, I think Treize reciprocates them. However, because of possible scandals (she works directly for him!), they keep their feelings in check.
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:48 pm


Backing up SailorGundam06 here...

*sighs*Gundam Fan, I don't know what you're going on about.

Duo never fought Zechs/Millardo. He was busy with the MDs and Millardo focused more on Quatre.

Another thing. Did you even take into account when Quatre used the ZERO system to organize a strategy against White Fang? He had it mastered because it didn't control him there.

All the reasoning you're using for Quatre being weak is substandard and has little to no support from the series.

Oh, and one more thing. Gundam Fan Zero, please check your spelling and grammar before you post. It's hard to distinguish what you're saying sometimes. Also, when posting a topic, please make sure you spell the words correctly.

It makes us as a guild look bad if our members have sloppy spelling. We are an intelligent guild, roleplay, and discussion. Please, spelling and grammar are important here.

TheWindySea
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Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:58 pm


ok first of all it was trowa, duo and quatre i watched that episode recently and he still won that fight. and if you remeber i put that yes heero and miliardo mastered the zero system it was in different gundams. heero mastered wing zero's zero system but not epyon's and miliardo masterd epyon's but not wing zero. and yes he was busy with the md that miliardo was controling in that fight. if you don't believe me watch that episode again. and you completely missed the point i was trying to make. in war you can't afford to show your enemies mercy. they won't show you mercy so you should not show them mercy. the reason being you don't have time to show someone mercy if they are trying to kill you. and even if you do (and try actually reading this next part) THEY WILL TRY TO KILL YOU AGAIN IF YOU DO LET THEM LIVE. THEY COME BACK AND HURT YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES. that is why you can't show your enemies mercy. for instance on the sereis of gundam seed if you have seen it. kira hesitates to fight his best friend athrun there in causing flay's father to die. he could have saved him but was too busy hesitating and showing mercy. now nothing like that could ever happen in gundam wing because the pilots and ms are so overpowered and godmodded that it literally is not funny. i don't have a problem with this but since an instance likke that never actaully happened in the series of gundam wing i had to use an example from another series. oh and combat skill wise he may be the best tactision but quatre is still the weakest pilot. on the episode where him and trowa meat if trowa had actually had ammo he could have pwned quatre.
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:48 pm


Okay, well... SEED is a completely different show... it has NOTHING to do with Wing. Therefore, your argument with Kira is invalid compared to the topic of Quatre. Wing and SEED are different UNIVERSES in the Gundam franchise. Comparing them to each other, to any of the UC shows, to SD Gundam, and to Mobile Fighter God Gundam is like comparing Sailor Moon to Dragonball. It doesn't work. Just because it happens to be a Gundam storyline doesn't mean it has the same technology, archetypal rules, or even locations.

I'll give you the thing about Trowa being in the battle. I honestly didn't remember if he was there, which I stated in my last post.

Also, Quatre didn't always show mercy. His very first battle appearance shows Sandrock catching an Aries between it's blades and crushing it until it exploded. I honestly can't see how that's merciful. Besides, the only characters in Gundam Wing that were ever concerned with revenge were Wufei and Relena. You never see anyone coming back again at anyone. There were continued battles... such as Heero and Zechs/Milliardo. But, Milliardo also showed mercy to Heero and vice-versa at certain times. The characters in the show understood when battle was necessary and when it wasn't. When it wasn't necessary, they stopped and pulled back from the fighting. That was one of the major points of the series.

Treize says that there is no point in battle if it is not elegant. Once it loses that elegance, then battle loses its appeal. Quatre was not a direct fighter. That's very obvious in his mannerisms and upbringing. He's better from behind the scenes, directing movements... like a game coach. He's a planner.

There is nothing weak about being merciful. It doesn't make someone a "wussy". I understand your point about the enemy coming back later, but the series illustrates that continuing unecessary battles only makes them tiring and drawn out. Part of the reason several characters don't actually kill, but rather just defeat their enemies is to show that killing isn't necessary. There were plenty of times that several of the main characters could have killed other main characters, but they didn't. Quatre was not the only one to show mercy... and the point of the series was to show that the revenge that might come from that will only bring more unhappiness.

Also, I never said Quatre was the strongest fighter. I merely said he wasn't a "wussy" because he's strong in other ways. I've been saying all along that there are more ways to be strong than just as a fighter. Trowa and Heero may be excellent soldiers, but that is ALL they know. Their social interactions with other are severely stunted because, as far as they're concerned, the only thing they have is the battle. Therefore, Quatre is stronger than them in several ways other than fighting. Each character has his own dimensions, strengths, and weaknesses.

And please please please... try to use paragraphs, capitalization, and punctuation properly in your posts. It's very difficult to read them and understand what you are saying.

Sailor Gundam 06
Vice Captain


TheWindySea
Crew

Liberal Autobiographer

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:25 pm


Okay, gundam fan zero, when you're stating because Quatre is merciful the soldiers are going to come back and hunt down is family you are COMPLETELY off base. Since they are soldiers they only follow orders. Neither OZ, the United Earth Sphere, White Fang nor Romefellar would have ever given an order to hunt down the families of the Gundam pilots. For a logical process of reasons:

1. These armies are also political bodies, all ruling the planet at some point during the series, but their rule is unstable, relying on popular public opinion.
2. If the public realized that any one of these factions was hunting down and killing the members of the Winner family (who by the way, are the only family any of the pilots have,) the public would have been outraged and whatever organization had given the order would have lost all support.
3. Loosing all support means that no one would volunteer said organization, during a time when all four organizations needed manpower.
4. Having no manpower would result in the organization loosing the conflict.
5. And thatโ€™s assuming that these organizations even knew the true identities of the pilots who had families (Quatre was the only one who was never confirmed as a Gundam Pilot and he has family.)

Also, the situation in SEED is completely different from WING and completely irrelevant to this case. This is a Gundam WING guild remember. Bringing up examples from other Gundam series because you can't, by your own admission, find a good example in G-Wing utterly destroys your argument and makes you look like an idiot.

One more thing. Please check your grammar, spelling, and punctuation before you post. It makes life so much simpler for everyone involved.
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 6:00 am


my god you never are getting my point. i never said that they would go after his family. i was giving a basic anallogy that neither of you seem to understand. and yes you can compare two series as long as you arent comparing the ms characters and real life like situations are completely different. and i am simply stating that for the job that he has as a gundam pilot he is too merciful

Gelenor the Blood Knight


Conductor Of Discord

PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:35 pm


Sailor Gundam 06: It really HAS been awhile. forgive me for just falling off the face of the earth. especially with the RP. I would like to RP more. XD. Also its good that you and I see Eye To Eye On that.

Furthermore, don't you find it totally uncanny about how Trowa and Quatre's dad look alike? And how you can see that gives it an extra push to why Quatre seems so close in a way?

Also wish the creator had the time to put the back stories in. Sadly, as I read? He was told to pump those episodes out like hotcakes and never got the time to actually place it in the series.

Though the creator tried too in one of the episodes. Its jsut a glimpse but sadly, no dice.
PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:28 pm


*takes a deep berath*

gundam fan zero...

I understand the point you're trying to make. But, you don't seem to understand the point that SailorGundam06 and I are trying to make. So, either you understand what we're saying, or kindly shut the hell up.

TheWindySea
Crew

Liberal Autobiographer


Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 1:24 pm


if you understood then why would i have to keep trying to explain it to you. and the main thing i really want to get across he is not the best pilot skill wise. like piloting skill wise
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:05 pm


Figure this out:

Per favore, non si difenda. Il idiocy รจ una malattia, non un dichiarare.

It isn't good to annoy a moderator or the owner of the guild.

TheWindySea
Crew

Liberal Autobiographer


Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:25 pm


ok and that has what to do with anything?
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:13 pm


Just me being polite in another language. That's all.

SailorGundam06 and I have been trying to figutre out why you can't seem to understand the points we've been making. Yes, we understand what you're saying.

You almost seem to be telling us we're idiots. She doesn't own this guild and I don't help her run it just because we look pretty. We're intelligent people who are both knowlegable in Gundam Wing.

We understand you think Quare is too merciful. Well, guess what. It takes a much stronger person to not kill someone. We also understand that Quatre isn't the strongest pilot, and that's because he is a tactician. His forte lies in creating strategies that the other pilots will follow.

Again, follow my advice from a few posts back. If you don't remember what it is, here it is again:

If you can't understand what SailorGundam06 and I are trying to get across to you, kindly shut the hell up.

TheWindySea
Crew

Liberal Autobiographer


Gelenor the Blood Knight

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:53 am


yeah i think i'll pass on that. mrgreen and it may take a stronger person not to kill but in war it is kill or be killed so that isn't going to do much good.
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