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 Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:44 am
I don't know if anyone else here is from England, or even if this project spreads farther south in the UK than where I live, but when I was in 6th form a group of us were trained by a new NHS (national health service) scheme to teach Sex Education to students from aged 13. The idea being that they would be more likley to listen to their peers than teachers or medical persons.
I thought the programme was wonderful, I was lucky enough to take part in it and its aims were basically
- sex isn't wrong
- safe sex is good
- unsafe sex is not cool
- having sex just because everyone else does is not cool
we also had to teach about STI's etc and also about many forms of contraception and telling them where they could get hold of free contraception.
Most of the kids seemed to react really really well to it.
- Just thought it might cheer some people up that at least some places are starting to provide this kind of thing? whee
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 12:07 pm
Trite~Elegy I said toilet seats, or at least I think I did -goes and checks-
public ones usually.
there was some article that I read last july about how randomly picked public restrooms in major cities such as New york, LA, chicago etc and even some run of the mill cities you don't hear about had a realtively high content of HPV on the toilet seats.
but then again you'd actually have to like ....rub yourself on the toilet seat to get it - but theres still the chance you can get it.
- does back and forth pelvic motions to imitate getting HPV off a toilet seat- xd
Anyways... it's a persistant and easily transferable virus - like Herpes.
last year while at crew practice, I would take a shower afterward in the boat club's showers - which were public.
sometimes I would forget my flip flops and go barefoot in those showers.
Well at the end of the season I had 3 plantars warts on my left foot and 5 on the right.
Gross right?
I had to get them burned off to stop them from spreading to the rest of my feet. I swear to god that has to have been one of the most painful things ever - getting them burned off. mad
I... really didn't need to know that. ^_O *twitch* But if we're sharing gross stories, I walked into a girl's bathroom stall once and someone had left a bloody tampon on the ground. The toilet water's almost always tinged red from menstrual blood, too. Damn low-flush toilets. Now THERE is a place you could contract HPV.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:34 pm
MipsyKitten If I could get at my honey on Valentine's Day, I'd be sure to ******** his brains out to cancel out one of those 'purity' virgins.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:02 pm
Anardana I don't know if anyone else here is from England, or even if this project spreads farther south in the UK than where I live, but when I was in 6th form a group of us were trained by a new NHS (national health service) scheme to teach Sex Education to students from aged 13. The idea being that they would be more likley to listen to their peers than teachers or medical persons. I thought the programme was wonderful, I was lucky enough to take part in it and its aims were basically - sex isn't wrong - safe sex is good - unsafe sex is not cool - having sex just because everyone else does is not cool we also had to teach about STI's etc and also about many forms of contraception and telling them where they could get hold of free contraception. Most of the kids seemed to react really really well to it. - Just thought it might cheer some people up that at least some places are starting to provide this kind of thing? whee
I wish I lived there... sad
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:40 pm
SterileNeedles PhaedraMcSpiffy It's not tyour religion we're upset about, Needles just small amount of morons who currently happen to be making the normal ones look bad. And it's not the abstinence that pisses us off, it's that they make it the only valid option. Technically, nobody can really "force" you to do anything, but they can make coerce and manipulate you. Abstinence-only "education" teaches teens that abstinence-until-marriage is the only valid option and that anything outside of that is dangerous and immoral. They completely ignore birth control, STD/STI prevention, abortion, and human sexuality. How is witholding valuable health/safety/sexual information from these teens "just encouraging them"? I'd say that keeping them ignorant is a form of coercion. And the negative social sanctions enforced against those who do have sex? What about those? These teens (especially the women) are literally being told that their worth lies between their legs.* You think that isn't going to have any emotional side effects later on? And when you're taught that sex is always dangerous and bad, is it any wonder that the most common sexual problems you read about are that people are ignorant about sexual pleasure and are too scared to just relax and enjoy it? And what if you're gay? No sex ever? They teach that the only correct time to have sex is MARRAIGE. Homosexual couples cannot legally marry in most of the world. There is nothing wrong with choosing to abstain from having sex. There is, however, quite a lot wrong when you were coerced or misled into this decision. You CAN have a differing opinion. But you should be able to defend your opinions. If they're really that great, they'll be able to stand up to a little wear and tear. *And someone just made an EXCELLENT point about how people can be raped. Does that make them damaged goods? Their prerogative is to protect teens from potential STDs and pregnancy, you know, to prevent them from spreading more STDs around and so they won't have to get an abortion which is something they don't believe is right. From what I read and from what they presented, all I got out of it was that they want to protect teens from the dangers that can be involved with sex and encourage them to abstain until they find the one they truly love (usually the one you truly love is the one you marry? Correct me if I am wrong...) Your prerogative is to inform these teens about birth control and abortion and other options besides abstinence. Umm...take action? 'Course the last time I mentioned that some people threw fits... I just don't get it. If this bothers so many feminists how come none of them (and I'm sure there are a lot out there) acting on it? Why aren't they doing anything to counter this day of purity thing? Or are they? I dunno. Pass out flyers, make a website. I'm sure there are many things people can do to counter this. Someone already mentioned making a day of sex or something in here, I think it was out of satire but could be a good idea. You can educate young people and ******** all day. As for gays, I don't know how much you guys know about Catholicism but Catholic priests have been known to bless homosexual unions. They don't allow gay marriage but a union is typically the same thing as marriage. (Yes I am aware that with marriage we get all these benefits etc. but this is about when to sex up your partner so let's avoid that argument and stay on topic, shall we? ) So I suppose once your union has been blessed then they can fornicate according to these people? (Of course if they're evangelicals they probably don't want gays fornicating at all). As for the rape part? Seriously? wtf? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Anyone who was raped was obviously forced into sex. She can still abstain from sex even after being raped. Just because your hymen's been busted doesn't mean you can't abstain anymore. And I've never been good at defending my opinions because I'm a pretty stupid individual. So yeah... *obviously depressed so please go easy on me today?*I think most of these people do have excellent intentions. STDs and unwanted pregnancy are a major problem in this country, and all other industrialized countries (who have lower rates) have more education. As far as I know, they don't have people trying to put their religion into the government. They just educate people about sex and let them decide for themselves what is right. The problem is, abstinence-only programs censor vital information. Pretending that teens don't have sex drives and not teaching them responsible, correct information about sex endangers them. And the way in which it's done is very insulting to them as sexual being capable of making their own healthy decisions. The rape scenario brought up an interesting reaction--"It's not their fault." Absolutely true. But that means you only vilify the teens with healthy, normal sexualities that chose to excercise them. Teens are forgiven and accepted only if they claim they were raped. Wouldn't that encourage people to claim that they were raped or seduced instead of taking responsibility for their actions? It vilifies consensual sex and makes rape "okay." Sorry that you're depressed. It's nothing personal, I just happen to disagree strongly.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:53 am
I have no qualms with those choosing to remain celibate until marriage; however, I despise their term for it: "purity."
To suggest that someone is "pure" implies to me that they are naive, innocent, and, ********, downright stupid.
As an asexual, I find it offensive that they feel the need to infantilize me.
Dammit, I'm not a genius; but, I am not a moron either -- don't treat me as such you big dummies. evil
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:14 am
Anardana I don't know if anyone else here is from England, or even if this project spreads farther south in the UK than where I live, but when I was in 6th form a group of us were trained by a new NHS (national health service) scheme to teach Sex Education to students from aged 13. The idea being that they would be more likley to listen to their peers than teachers or medical persons. I thought the programme was wonderful, I was lucky enough to take part in it and its aims were basically - sex isn't wrong - safe sex is good - unsafe sex is not cool - having sex just because everyone else does is not cool we also had to teach about STI's etc and also about many forms of contraception and telling them where they could get hold of free contraception. Most of the kids seemed to react really really well to it. - Just thought it might cheer some people up that at least some places are starting to provide this kind of thing? whee We didn't have anything like that when I was at school. Either they didn't start it yet, or it wasn't introduced further south (Oxford). All we had was a Channel 4 video, which was good, but a more hands on approach would have been better. At least they talked about the female orgasm! Ps. We have the same name! biggrin
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:44 am
Asexual-Slut~Enya I have no qualms with those choosing to remain celibate until marriage; however, I despise their term for it: "purity." To suggest that someone is "pure" implies to me that they are naive, innocent, and, ********, downright stupid. As an asexual, I find it offensive that they feel the need to infantilize me. Dammit, I'm not a genius; but, I am not a moron either -- don't treat me as such you big dummies. evil Yeah I agree, I just realised thats why im so pissed off at this. I couldn't put my finger on it before.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:26 pm
LadyInWhite Asexual-Slut~Enya I have no qualms with those choosing to remain celibate until marriage; however, I despise their term for it: "purity." To suggest that someone is "pure" implies to me that they are naive, innocent, and, ********, downright stupid. As an asexual, I find it offensive that they feel the need to infantilize me. Dammit, I'm not a genius; but, I am not a moron either -- don't treat me as such you big dummies. evil Yeah I agree, I just realised thats why im so pissed off at this. I couldn't put my finger on it before. yeah, that's a big part of what irritates me, too. that and the whole witholding of vital information. if they encouraged abstinence but at the same time taught those kids how to be safe if they ever wanted to have sex i don't think i'd have a problem with it. oh yeah, and make up a term other than the word "pure".
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:58 pm
MipsyKitten Anardana I don't know if anyone else here is from England, or even if this project spreads farther south in the UK than where I live, but when I was in 6th form a group of us were trained by a new NHS (national health service) scheme to teach Sex Education to students from aged 13. The idea being that they would be more likley to listen to their peers than teachers or medical persons. I thought the programme was wonderful, I was lucky enough to take part in it and its aims were basically - sex isn't wrong - safe sex is good - unsafe sex is not cool - having sex just because everyone else does is not cool we also had to teach about STI's etc and also about many forms of contraception and telling them where they could get hold of free contraception. Most of the kids seemed to react really really well to it. - Just thought it might cheer some people up that at least some places are starting to provide this kind of thing? whee We didn't have anything like that when I was at school. Either they didn't start it yet, or it wasn't introduced further south (Oxford). All we had was a Channel 4 video, which was good, but a more hands on approach would have been better. At least they talked about the female orgasm! Ps. We have the same name! biggrin ^_^ coolness! When I was teaching it was ermmm I think 2 years ago, as Im now in my second year of uni. I'm almost certain we were a pilot programme to see how it worked before subjecting the nation to year 13 teaching sex ed! lol I really hope it goes through though. Although I have to admit it does need revision... Me: Ok guys, Aaron, Jo and I are here to teach you about responsible sex Guy at front: Are you gonna take your top off?? Me: eek ************************* Me: Right, in this section we discuss ways to resist being bullied into sex you don't feel ready for. I need one volunteer. (volunteer sits on chair at front of class) Jo (reading from script programme gave us): I heard james had sex last week. We should have sex Volunteer (giggling) : okay I think we had to give up on getting them to say no in the end and just had to tell them to resist peer pressure...I don't think it had a chance of working though it seemed far too amusing to them to say yes.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:57 pm
SterileNeedles As for the rape part? Seriously? wtf? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Anyone who was raped was obviously forced into sex. She can still abstain from sex even after being raped. Just because your hymen's been busted doesn't mean you can't abstain anymore.
Yes, you can abstain after being raped, but you can't go back to being STD-free. The Liberty Counsel is saying, "You can’t contract HPV if you choose to remain sexually pure," which is untrue because of the possiblity of rape--unless you believe that they mean that people become unpure after being raped, which I don't think you do, because that would just be horribly mean of them. Also, even if these kids do stay pure after being raped and wait until marriage to have sex, they could pass it on to their husbands--and probably will, since abstinence-only doesn't teach kids how to use protection.
So, kids who listen to them and stay abstinent till marriage, but don't get the vaccine are left open to infection because Liberty Counsel thinks vaccinating girls will make said girls more promiscuous.
I've been subjected to abstinence-only education twice. They rarely even mention rape. They gloss over it like it doesn't happen, which pisses me off more than almost anything else about it.
Oh, and you asked how to delete a post earlier. I believe the white and purple X in the right hand corner of your post does that. Might be wrong, though.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:30 pm
Asexual-Slut~Enya I have no qualms with those choosing to remain celibate until marriage; however, I despise their term for it: "purity." To suggest that someone is "pure" implies to me that they are naive, innocent, and, ********, downright stupid. As an asexual, I find it offensive that they feel the need to infantilize me. Dammit, I'm not a genius; but, I am not a moron either -- don't treat me as such you big dummies. evil Thank you for putting that into words! Having sex or not having sex only makes you as pure/impure/whatever as you think you are. It's an individual thing and depends on the person's personal morality, relationship with their body, feelings about sex, and how the experience was for them. One person's "defilement" is another person's "sexual awakening."
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:59 am
MipsyKitten I don't know which is worse. Having sex with loads of people to get 'respect' from them, or saving yourself to get 'respect' from your future husband. What you've had (or have not had) between your legs sholdn't be the deciding factor in whether or not you deserve respect. If I could get at my honey on Valentine's Day, I'd be sure to ******** his brains out to cancel out one of those 'purity' virgins. Best post ever.
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