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 Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:00 pm
((by the way, my brother made the point about the thief))
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:02 pm
Collun It doesn't. But NO church baptizes without water. It's because of examples. We need to try to be like the New Testament church, and they used water and full submersion. They were definitely right Examples? what examples? And what do you mean by the New Testament Church? And, yes, they baptized people with water. But so does my church. My church baptizes, but it doesn't believe that you need water baptism to get to heaven. And, you said that the bible doesn't say. And, I go by what the bible says.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:07 pm
You don't. But God will only baptize you with Spirit if you're baptized with water.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:09 pm
totally with full submersion but about the baby thing isn't that just to symbolize that your parants are going to raise you byt he wa of god so you will know him and them u can decided whether or not to follow him?
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:12 pm
are you agreeing with me? I really can't tell.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:19 pm
Collun You don't. But God will only baptize you with Spirit if you're baptized with water. I already gave a reason contradicting that in my previous post.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:21 pm
Collun You don't. But God will only baptize you with Spirit if you're baptized with water. And where does it say THAT?
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:21 pm
Baptism shows God that we're ready. If we're not baptized, God won't recongnize us as ready.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:22 pm
Collun Baptism shows God that we're ready. If we're not baptized, God won't recongnize us as ready. sigh...... should i give up asking where in the bible it says all this? And what about the thief on the cross?
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:23 pm
Collun Baptism shows God that we're ready. If we're not baptized, God won't recongnize us as ready. But can already tell in our hearts if we are ready, He doesn't need to be shown.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:25 pm
Of course there are exceptions.
Look at Abraham. It's pretty certain he'll go to heaven. He wasn't baptized.
The thief- He never believed Jesus. When he did he was about to die. He repented and really meant it. But if we know about baptism, then why wouldn't we do it?
Again, Acts 2:38. repent and be baptized you need both of them.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:28 pm
Collun Of course there are exceptions. Look at Abraham. It's pretty certain he'll go to heaven. He wasn't baptized. The thief- He never believed Jesus. When he did he was about to die. He repented and really meant it. But if we know about baptism, then why wouldn't we do it? Again, Acts 2:38. repent and be baptized you need both of them. yes yes, we know. you have said it over and over and over again. But, why do we need water baptizm before spiritual baptism? Water baptizm is a public display of the spiritual baptism you recieved. It is a symbol. Like the fishes on the back of cars. It is a symbol. But, just becasue you don't have a fish, does that mean you aren't a Christian? NO!
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:29 pm
Collun Of course there are exceptions. Look at Abraham. It's pretty certain he'll go to heaven. He wasn't baptized. The thief- He never believed Jesus. When he did he was about to die. He repented and really meant it. But if we know about baptism, then why wouldn't we do it? My point is that baptism is important and we by all means SHOULD be baptized like we should go to church. But one will not go to Hell if he has given his heart to God, but not been baptised.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:33 pm
Because, Jesus was baptized. Catholics do lent because Jesus did. We don't need to Lent, do we? But they do Lent and aren't fully submersed, like Jesus. This contradicts what they teach.
Baptism comes from Baptismo meaning "to submerse".
Baptism is needed. The Spirit baptizes us through water. Water is a burial, because Christ was buried and rose again.
When Christ was buried, he had all the sins of the world upon him. When he rose he was pure again. When we go under, we have all our sins on us, when we raise we're pure. While we're under, the Spirit baptizes us. But we must be buried like Christ.
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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:36 pm
Collun Because, Jesus was baptized. Catholics do lent because Jesus did. We don't need to Lent, do we? But they do Lent and aren't fully submersed, like Jesus. This contradicts what they teach. Baptism comes from Baptismo meaning "to submerse". Baptism is needed. The Spirit baptizes us through water. Water is a burial, because Christ was buried and rose again. When Christ was buried, he had all the sins of the world upon him. When he rose he was pure again. When we go under, we have all our sins on us, when we raise we're pure. While we're under, the Spirit baptizes us. But we must be buried like Christ. I'm orry , but I still disagree. I am saved by faith and faith alone.
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