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goddess_oraorchid

PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:58 pm


Try wiki-pedia it'll clear something's up....
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:18 pm


XxSailorMoonRabbitxX
Gotta say that clears up quite a bit about the Doc origins for me. xd It's to bad his son has never made an appearance it would be interesting to see him. 3nodding


Why does everyone always assume he had a son? It's a 50/50 chance he had a girl, you know.

Also, why does everyone assume he married a human? I think he probably married a Gallifreyan because whenever he's talking about human females in his earlier incarnations he says they're beautiful "probably." Indicating that he's not that attracted to them. Rose, of course, is the exception. He must be less picky in his old age. xd

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:32 am


Gimonavid
XxSailorMoonRabbitxX
Gotta say that clears up quite a bit about the Doc origins for me. xd It's to bad his son has never made an appearance it would be interesting to see him. 3nodding


Why does everyone always assume he had a son? It's a 50/50 chance he had a girl, you know.

Also, why does everyone assume he married a human? I think he probably married a Gallifreyan because whenever he's talking about human females in his earlier incarnations he says they're beautiful "probably." Indicating that he's not that attracted to them. Rose, of course, is the exception. He must be less picky in his old age. xd


Mmm, I always assumed he married a Gallifreyan because he says his family and everything are dead (and everyone else) because of the time war...
Yeah I guess he can/does love humans but tries not to really, because of the whole... being a Time Lord thing.
Good question about the son thing though, might be because I'm half asleep but I can't think where the son thing came from.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:39 pm


Freaj
darkmariel
oookay....so there was more than just Sarah Jane and Rose....

I really need to watch the old sieries...


Just Sarah and Rose????????????? Woah, you REALLY need to watch the old series. There were SO MANY, some alien, ... even one was a savage, though I can't remember her name. He even had a Time Lord companion for a while there. Yep, he's had LOADS of companions.

Hey, didn't the Time Lords give the Doctor something... like, a gift or something, when he was... um, wow its been so long since I've watched the old series, but when the Doctor was ah, no longer exiled, I seem to remember the Time Lords giving him something to ah, apologise or something or... *strains memory* I'm really not sure.


Actually, the Doctor had a large number of companions, but only a very few of them did he feel deeper emotions for. Before Sarah, he was deeply attached to a girl named Jo Grant, who left him in a heartbeat for another man. There were also indications that he had feelings for Romana, another Time Lord who travelled with him for a time, but it was one-sided and he let her go to seek out her own destiny. He behaved as if he had fallen in love with a woman named Grace Holloway, but it was possibly part of the often eratic behavior the Doctor usually experiences following a regeneration. In his most recent incarnations, we have not seen a lot of this sort of thing, so he may have learned to control it with age.

When the period of exile was lifted from the Doctor, the only thing he was given was the ability to use the TARDIS again. For several Earth years, it had been dormant.

Wind-Whisper


Triska

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:49 pm


I believe that the whole thing with Rose is that he was very lonely and wanted someone to fill in the large gap that was ripped WIDE open by the time war. And Rose was slowly filling it in.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:19 pm


Freaj
Gimonavid
XxSailorMoonRabbitxX
Gotta say that clears up quite a bit about the Doc origins for me. xd It's to bad his son has never made an appearance it would be interesting to see him. 3nodding


Why does everyone always assume he had a son? It's a 50/50 chance he had a girl, you know.

Also, why does everyone assume he married a human? I think he probably married a Gallifreyan because whenever he's talking about human females in his earlier incarnations he says they're beautiful "probably." Indicating that he's not that attracted to them. Rose, of course, is the exception. He must be less picky in his old age. xd


Mmm, I always assumed he married a Gallifreyan because he says his family and everything are dead (and everyone else) because of the time war...
Yeah I guess he can/does love humans but tries not to really, because of the whole... being a Time Lord thing.
Good question about the son thing though, might be because I'm half asleep but I can't think where the son thing came from.


These are some of the mysteries that still hang over the Doctor's past, and the original reason why we asked the question, "Doctor who?" We have only snatches of information about his past.

Here is what we know for a fact: he was an agent for the Celestial Intervention Agency (the CIA - haha...), sent to secretly break the Prime Directive of non-intervention with other cultures on other planets, in other times. Not to randomly break it, but only when outside forces threatened to disrupt the natural flow of history. He pretended to steal a TARDIS to accomplish the mission, and made himself a criminal, for all practical purposes. Yet in a pinch, the CIA offered some clandestine help, even while still sending him on secret missions, which he came to resent. We know that attended the Time Lord Academy when he was young, and was of the Prydonian School, which sounds slightly like the Slytherins in Harry Potter. He was called theta Sigma by his school chums, for reasons that have only been speculated on.

We also know that as a young boy he sneaked away from his father's estates to visit a hermit in the hills who told him ghost stories and other such yarns. This same hermit was in fact the Time Lord, K’anpo Rinpoche, who spent a great deal of time living in Tibet as a monk, and whom we actually met in the final story of the 3rd Doctor's life. The young Doctor also learned martial arts on Venus, billions of years ago, when it was habited by multi-legged beings.

As for his personal life, he has mentioned his father and family, and "Susan" (if that is her true name) was his granddaughter. One of the later producers of the original show was uncomfortable with that and tried to explain it away, but the original producer said emphatically that he was wrong. Susan was indeed the Doctor's granddaughter, which meant there was a wife and at least one child. Beyond that, we know nothing. Susan was clearly not born on Earth, though she was fascinated by mid-to late 20th century Earth.

My personal feeling is that the Doctor once married a human girl and had a half-human child (or children), which would account for his almost tearful descriptions of loving humans who only grow old and die while he continues.

This brings to mind the discussion on the Doctor being "half human". This plot device appeared in the single 8th Doctor adventure, which was produced in Canada. The original writers in England scoffed loudly at the notion. It has never been brought up since. However, it has crossed my mind that he may have had to have human DNA injected into his system in order to marry and have children with a human wife. This could have confused the Master, who is not really as brilliant as he thinks he is.

The Time Lords are a curious species who can regenerate themselves in whole or in part when age, illness, or injury make it necessary. They have an internal anatomy quite different from humans, and years ago it was tossed about that perhaps they were mollusks in humanoid form, as they have two hearts like mollusks, and can regenerate body parts as well as entire bodies. This was easy to laugh off until the 8th Doctor story where the Master was plainly showed to be a mollusk, slithering into the body of a human victim to kill him and assume his outward appearance (why am I being reminded of Edgar the cockroach in "Men in Black"?) So then, this may be one of the secrets of the Time Lords that the 7th Doctor did not want revealed - that the Time Lords are in fact slugs who have chosen to exist in human form for reasons of their own. But this is getting into some real speculation, and we are left with unanswered questions, only guesses.  

Wind-Whisper


Wind-Whisper

PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:32 pm


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http://www.gallifreyone.com/guides-canonguide1.php?id=typeall&sn=1

According to the canon keepers guide he had 13 children.


Whoa...Keep in mind that the novels are NOT considered canon by an overwhelming majority of fans. They are just a cut above fan fiction, only because they are professionally punlished, and so it is up to the reader to decide if they are part of his/her personal "canon". But they are not sealed in concrete by any means.


The novels published by the BBC themselves are considered canon. That one however is done by Virgin so it's debatable. But the doctor said he was a dad, he didnt say to how many children.


I haven't read the newer books, but the old Target novels, that were novelizations of the TV episodes, but they made a number of changes as they went along. Sometimes they just made up some explanation of their own, whether it was the intent or not. So those books can't possibly be canon. The novels thast came out in the 1990s were very irregular in content, and while some had good ideas, they also seemed like an afterthought. The 8th Doctor version of "Shada" which is on the BBC website, is very odd because it was a 4th Doctor adventure that never got completed due to a labor strike. The story was assembled as best it could be and sold as both a VHS and DVD with Tom baker narrating large parts of it, and it worked out very well. However, for whatever reason, this episode is no longer available anywehere - no doubt because of their 8th Doctor animated version. So if any of you do have a VHS or DVD copy opf the real Shada, hang on to it! It is worth its weight in gold to fans.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:35 pm


Cow Demon
Freaj
And since Susan is his grandaughter, it kind of figures he was a father, once.[/quamong English kids at the time, and ote] Susan doesn't count. Becuase in that film, the Doctor is not a Time Lord. He is a 'mad inventor'. So it's sucky. Also, he actually introduces himself as 'Doctor Who'. So yea. No counting Susan. xp


You're thinking of those two movies made in the early 60's, starring Peter Cushing. They were made to capitalize on the Dalek craze, and bore little resemblance to the real TV series, which was running at the same time. I don't think they were trying to make a real Doctor Who film as such, just a Dalek mnovie for kids. They actually made two of them. And you're right - they were terrible.

Wind-Whisper


Takuha

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:42 am


Freaj
darkmariel
okay everybody! I just finished watching "fear her" and theres a bit of
conversation where he admits to being a dad once.

...However, Ive been reading something about a loom, and other things...but that would imply that time lords cant be dads.

in a different episode "New Earth" when cassendra takes over his body, she makes a remark about the parts...human parts? Its very confounding.

also, in "the Doctor Dances" he says that hes been around a bit...

Ive also heard that hes half human. Please help me on this?


Yes, in the 8th Doctor movie he admits to being half human on his mothers side, and the master goes on about all this crap about his iris being diferent so he's not pure timelord.


Yeah but the movie was kind of b***ocks so I like to ignore the bogus jargen that they cough up that movie... Fo shizzlery doo!!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:05 pm


Takuha
Freaj
darkmariel
okay everybody! I just finished watching "fear her" and theres a bit of
conversation where he admits to being a dad once.

...However, Ive been reading something about a loom, and other things...but that would imply that time lords cant be dads.

in a different episode "New Earth" when cassendra takes over his body, she makes a remark about the parts...human parts? Its very confounding.

also, in "the Doctor Dances" he says that hes been around a bit...

Ive also heard that hes half human. Please help me on this?


Yes, in the 8th Doctor movie he admits to being half human on his mothers side, and the master goes on about all this crap about his iris being diferent so he's not pure timelord.


Yeah but the movie was kind of b***ocks so I like to ignore the bogus jargen that they cough up that movie... Fo shizzlery doo!!
I have to agree the movie was so stupid the only reason they made it was because the series got cancelled with the 7th doctor and they thought that the movie would be able to revive the series but instead just made a mess of things.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:58 am


Wind-Whisper
...So then, this may be one of the secrets of the Time Lords that the 7th Doctor did not want revealed - that the Time Lords are in fact slugs who have chosen to exist in human form for reasons of their own. But this is getting into some real speculation, and we are left with unanswered questions, only guesses.


Is it bad that I thought 'OMG they're Yeerks!' whilst reading this?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:40 pm


fourtysecondscarf
okay everybody! I just finished watching "fear her" and theres a bit of
conversation where he admits to being a dad once.

...However, Ive been reading something about a loom, and other things...but that would imply that time lords cant be dads.

in a different episode "New Earth" when cassendra takes over his body, she makes a remark about the parts...human parts? Its very confounding.

also, in "the Doctor Dances" he says that hes been around a bit...

Ive also heard that hes half human. Please help me on this?


Simple answer (Based on just the TV show):


We don't know.

Slightly less simple answer (Based on the ideas lurking behind the last two seasons of the original TV show which eventually saw print in the novels):

Time Lord society was founded by Rassilion, Omega and an unnamed Other. The Pythia, last of the Witch Queens who'd previously ruled Gallifrey , cursed the Time Lords to sterility as her magical order gave way to their cold science.

In order to survive as a race, they created the Looms which churned out new generations of Time Lords.

As Rassilion's rule grew more autocratic following the loss of Omega, the Other sought to escape Gallifrey but there seemed no way out...so he threw himself into the genetic matrix of the Looms.

The implictation is that he was then reconsituted ten million years later as the Doctor.

During the Doctor's flight from Gallifrey he broke the laws of time and visited the early days of Gallifrey, where he met Susan, the Other's grandaughter who recognised him as her grandfather.

She then is his granddaughter, but from before he was the Doctor.

Towards the end of the Seventh Doctor's life much of this came to light and, under Romana's presidency, the remnants of the Witch Queen dynasty (the Sisterhood of Karn) were reconcilled with Gallifreyan society.

This lifted the Pythia's curse and from then on Time Lords have been capable of being both fertile and sexual. Which makes it possible for the Eighth Doctor to go round kissing everyone and the Ninth Doctor to have done his share of 'dancing'.

The above story reads far better when it's slowly revealed over two seasons of a TV series and over sixty novels than it does when told in a few paragraphs on Gaia.

There are other, more complicated, accounts involved in some of the later novels. Thier authors insist that they do fit in with the above, but since I don't understand how I'm not going to attempt to summarise them. But the stuff about Patience and the thirteen children comes from there. Press me for more detail once you've digested the above. smile

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fourtysecondscarf

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:00 pm


wow....You know...this is actually really cool, and it will definatly be useful for any new fans (as I was at the time I made this thread) coming to this guild...

ah...looking back at how ignorant I was in the ways of DW....Quite funny really....I laugh at myself...
PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:56 pm


goddess_oraorchid
Try wiki-pedia it'll clear something's up....


Of course the almighty Wiki is not always accurate (though im sure i dont need to say it). It sometimes mixes Cannon with non cannon. Oh and the savage companion was called leela.

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Teatime Brutality

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:46 am


fourtysecondscarf

ah...looking back at how ignorant I was in the ways of DW....Quite funny really....I laugh at myself...

Don't do that! smile
Who fandom shouldn't be "Who knows the most?" competition, but just a great big treasure hunt as we rumage around the fragments of 44 years of storytelling.

There's nothing laughable about the eager new fan you were, or about any new fan.

The eight-year-old kid who just thinks Cybermen are awesome is as valid a Doctor Who fan as the thirty-year-old who can name the Doctor's first black companion, Gallifrey's moon and all the actors to have played the Master. smile

Blondegoth

Of course the almighty Wiki is not always accurate (though im sure i dont need to say it). It sometimes mixes Cannon with non cannon.

Which is probably impossible to avoid with a series that has no official canon. wink

Myself I find that if Wiki's got a failing for Who stuff it's not inaccuracies but just that many of the entries are a little skimpy. I suppose I should be doing my bit to put that right really, so I shouldn't moan.
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