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Tesunie
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:39 pm


By the way, you can still post in here, but remember, I will try my best not to let anything harm my students. This is a place of learning, as well as a place I wish to call home. I hope more of you will call this place home as well, and remember, I am looking for every ones well being.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:21 pm


Firstly, I know that fact. However, that is still not a valid reason for any captain/vice-captain/crew of any guild to treat any other potential member of the guild, or even a member of Gaia, like that without just cause.

Secondly, that's all good and well, but I don't see how your status on how you run a guild has anything to do with unjust treatment. Sure, you may make the rules, but what point are they if even you can not be kind and respectable to others?

Thirdly, that should, in all truth, have absolutely no effect on how you should treat me here. I did not bring up anything from another guild, and I don't know why you have to dig graves to find the dirt on me. It's a sad excuse for any person to that, and is used mainly as a loophole. Just because you have a vendetta against me does not mean you have to be so crass to me wherever. I'll go more in depth with this in other remarks you made.

Fourthly, I did not "ruff up", as you so put it, any of your members. I said one thing to them. I did not say anything that any other person would not say if they didn't care about how people Role Play. You're only as strong as your weakest link. You have a school here to teach RPing? Then teach it, instead of wasting time and energy on such trifling matters that you have pointed out.

Fifthly, that's fine. Or at least it would be if you didn't contradict yourself earlier with your previous comment.

Sixthly, don't even try to bring that up. Don't open the book of knowledge if you can not comprehend the language. ... I hope you get that analogy. Anyways, unless you want me to go into the long, very boring details of things that conspired when you were barely even a member of either guild, then shut up right now. I am being stern because you are ignorant of these facts. Do not trifle with me with these tidbits you call facts. "Victims" or no, I did what I thought was best for the guild that I basically helped create. And for your "brother", (in quotes because I'm not sure if that is a term of endearment or actual family), he merely did not feel like taking in anything I said other than disdain. That's his problem. Not yours, not mine, just his.

Seventhly, I defended myself because you have unjustly taken my posts from the eyes of the other members here. Maybe they would have learned something. You do not know that. Neither do I, but ya gotta gamble a bit if you're going to learn anything in life. Ever play poker? There are more "what ifs" in 10 hours of poker then you can ask in ten years of your life. On average, most likely. Don't censor my words just because you dislike the way I work.

Now, for the exception of the 6th comment I made, I was sincere and calm with all my words. I will also say that your reasons... in truth have no real cause for deleting my posts. The 1st is beyond the fact, and you said I could. Status doesn’t give you right, it just gives you ability. 3rd, 6th, and the 7th comments are the worst things you could have pulled out. The fourth had some relevance, but not enough to actually say I was being a detriment to a person. The 5th is just a personal feeling, and nothing to do with the posts. So, I have to ask, what were your real reasons for deleting my posts, and did you actually read everything word for word before saying, "It's Cal! I must delete these posts!" I could speculate further, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't. Also, I would to point out I did not yell at all, or give the impression that i was. If anything, that statement to the other was monotone.

As my final note, I spoke of literacy and grammar. Spelling is rarely perfect without Spell Check, and everyone knows it's not 100% reliable. It just makes it easier. And I'm sorry if I didn't feel like cutting and pasting so you couldn't have a spasm attack and nearly die inside when my "n"s, "g"s, "o"s, "s"s, and other letters were out of place by one letter or so. Please, if you would give me your address, I would kindly send you a "get well soon" card for my horrible actions. However, when I see people typing without punctuations, poor sentence structure or just debasing the power of words with mere letters, yes, I do get quite frustrated, but I don't delete their posts. At least, not if they were offensive.

Bonus! I spell checked it for you. Hope your eyes won't bleed anymore. ^_^

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:22 pm


And just for kicks, ask around to see who actually thought me useful in Shizuki's and Dusk's guilds. Your answer may surprise you. Or me. Who knows? It's fun to gamble. mrgreen
PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:37 pm


By the way, this is part of the reason I deleted your other posts.

Caladbolg
As my final note, I spoke of literacy and grammar. Spelling is rarely perfect without Spell Check, and everyone knows it's not 100% reliable. It just makes it easier. And I'm sorry if I didn't feel like cutting and pasting so you couldn't have a spasm attack and nearly die inside when my "n"s, "g"s, "o"s, "s"s, and other letters were out of place by one letter or so. Please, if you would give me your address, I would kindly send you a "get well soon" card for my horrible actions. However, when I see people typing without punctuations, poor sentence structure or just debasing the power of words with mere letters, yes, I do get quite frustrated, but I don't delete their posts. At least, not if they were offensive.


By the way, I do what I feel is necessary to protect others. I don't actually care if you have typos all over the place, my eyes will not bleed, but heart will not stop, I will not die.

I was a member of each of those guild longer than you think. If you remember, you told me to 'shut up' about the subject.

He is my actual TWIN! I do not joke, I live in the same house as him, I was raised with him, I rented an apartment with him, am I getting the point across?

Oh and by the way, I believe that in order to learn how to role play better, or to just learn how to do it, I think you need to get experience on it. Make a few mistakes and then people can tell you what you are doing wrong and how to fix it.

Just for the reference, if you were a member of my guild, I would have gave you a warning for your last few posts and deleted them myself anyway. I also talked to my crew as well, and we voted on it.

Also, I did read your two other posts, fully. I felt you were trying to start and argument, and was being rude as well. I didn't just delete them because you posted them. If you noticed, I left your first post there for a few days, untill you made your second post, then I had enough, talked to my mods, and ALL of them agreed to delete them, for the sake of the guild.

If you had posted something like 'Hello, how are you doing' I would never have deleted those. You came in here with a argument, which changes the whole issue.

I was going to except your invite before, but not anymore, sorry. I can't risk having my guild split over just one person, not when it is this small.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:55 pm


Oh dear go! Get a *censored* life!

Caladbolg, or whatever the hell your name is (don't have the attention span to re-check), stop agitating Tesunie.

Tesunie, stop agitating the n00bs...

Problem solved....Don't make me delete all of your posts!! *Is drunk with power*

EDIT: Yeah, I used *'s. I tend to do that outside role-plays.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:16 am


I'm not a member here. Tesunie posted about this in another guild & this is what i say about it.

Tesunie
But is it alright? Or could that be called abuse of captain power?

I want people to feel invited into the guild, not that I will kick them at the slightest wrong. My guild is their to teach people how to role play (I know, no advertising, but I think this fact is important to why I am so reluctant on going private, I want people to feel at home, and no pressure in joining.)

nope.

1. u had proof of prior offences in other guilds
2. u had guild member's safety in mind
3. u even had ur crew VOTE on the matter
4. he was being really rude
5. only captains, vc, & crew can legally & lawfully instruct a member on right & wrong unless u state otherwise
6. as u said they weren't even a member...so they held no rights in the guild anyways.

I captain my own guild, VC another, & crew another.

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Tesunie
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:01 am


I didn't ask her to post, she did it on her own. To be honest, I don't even know her, and she doesn't really know me either.

Just to let people know.

By the way Cal, I can ban you, so here is a hint, you are on warning one for rudeness. If I catch you being rude one more time in my guild, or berating another member, I will ban you for a month. My rules apply to everyone that posts in here.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:25 am


it just ticks me off to see someone be disrespectful in someone else's home/guild. it's just rude & dangit...really pathetic. people like that need to get LIFES!!!! lol

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Tesunie
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:55 am


Hey, Cal, if you are really unhappy with the way I run things around here, you can always state your opinion in my advertising thread. I can't stop you if you do.

Here is the thread, if you so wish to say something there. I have no powers there to delete or edit posts, so if you feel that badly mistreated, then post there, and you don't have to worry about me touching what you say (not that I have edited any of your posts. I have only deleted two of them).
PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:08 pm


Okay, from an actual admin (mod of Gaia)

Loki omg!
Just posting this so you'll know from a mod....


You have done nothing wrong. You're well within your rights to delete his posts. As a Captain, you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want in your guild so long as you don't violate Gaia's ToS. This means you could, theoretically, delete ANYONE'S posts even if they weren't doing anything offensive. Would it be nice to do that? No. But it's NOT against Gaia's rules. Heck, if you woke up one morning and arbitrarily decided you'd like to just ban everyone from your guild who happened to be wearing something orange, you could do that. It's not against Gaia's rules.

So this guy has no argument. You can quote me if you'd like or tell him to PM me if he doesn't believe you.

Also, you can go to your guild's memberlist, type his screen name into the search box, then ban him from public posting (even if he's not a member).

If all else fails, you can always make your guild private or hidden. I understand you're trying to avoid having to do that, but if you have to do it, you have to do it.


If you think I edited this, you can PM the mod yourself. He can further explain what I could have done, and what I can do. You seem to like to have a lot of evidence to support something, so here is even more to look at.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:12 am


lol loki's a she XD
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:23 pm


wicked_faery
lol loki's a she XD

But Loki is the god of mischief XD jk

Nathien Bloodguard
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:35 pm


Post lengths kill me every time. I can never get a post out longer than about five lines.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:37 pm


I've read all your posts made here. I've also read Faery's as well, but I won't mention her otherwise in this particular post. Now, I'll try and hit every point stated by you. I can't make promises bout that.

I would like to say thanks for having the fortitude of being able to see typos and live. When I was a n00b, full of errors, I had people telling me similar things to what I said to you. I had the idea that maybe you were the same. Now that you tell me otherwise, I won't think it anymore. I'll check it anyways.

I do remember how long you were in there. I remember seeing your character around a bit. You just don't know what conspired unless you went through all the posts, all the old crew posts, and my PMs. So, until you went through all of those, don't bring that subject back. It's dead, pointless, and useless. It doesn't change how I act or who I am. And it will not silence me. In fact, that's the whole reason I said those mean things to you two days ago in that one section, and set off my sarcasm at the end.

Twin brothers. Fine, now I know the story.

Well, of course experience. Everyone can agree on that. In fact, that's how I judge someone's character worth. However, I don't count things such as D&D, RPGs, or other such non-forum RPs such as the ones on Gaia.

Reference point is useless. And a crew vote here means little to me. Now 4 members, 2 of which have the negative confirmation bias to my personality, and think only that I shall act negatively and to create havoc anywhere I step. The other two side with you because they don't even know me, or my character.

And for the record, I did not comment only to create an argument. I was sincere when I answered the person's question. Seriously, no one answered her! You guys just did what I said. You noticed it existed, and talked around it. Then Nathien brought me up. He kept my identity secret, which I appreciate. Now, when I saw that, I disliked how he used sarcasm to basically debase my words because it only seemed like he didn't actually take in my words, and merely just argued them back. But, since he decided not to delve into malice, I knew it wrong to do the opposite. That's why I didn't say anything specific, but merely hinted at my intentions of that entire discussion. Nothing negative to Nathien's character in the slightest. At least not the post I made here. Also, 2 days of existence with only one comment is not really long. I only saved the first post I made here, so, if you would like others to judge it from a neutral perspective, I would not mind. Maybe in that forum you spoke of.

As a note, AGAIN, on that second post, I did not try and verbally abuse the member. I merely stated an opinion that I have. I did not tell him to do anything, and I did not degrade his character, nor the user. Also, this brings a question to my mind. If my first post was fine, and the second offended, then why delete both? Just because it "seemed" offending? That is hardly a justifiable reason. To protect member? From the truth that many hate the onslaught of illiterate vamp, lycan, and other mythical begins of this world style RPs? You wanted to teach, Tessie. Teach them what to watch out for as well as what to do. That's in all seriousness.

Argument, no! Again with the stereotypes... I hope you don't follow any of those negative "isms". Worthless ways to spend time and energy... In any case, if I c came for anything, it was to help teach a tidbit or two before I left for other things. Maybe a discussion if someone was willing. Apparently not, which really sucks. I hate arguing, but I love discussing things. You learn that way about life. Arguing only teaches you to dislike and be hateful. And there is absolutely no point in it. Purely illogical. Love logic, use logic, teach logic, learn logic. Those are the joys of discussing, at least to me. Wouldn't you rather discuss something than argue over pointless bullshit?

Okay, I was wrong earlier. I am going to mention Faery here. Now, when I said to mention how people thought of me in other guilds, I meant the ones I used to be a member of. Go to the crew forums, or ask the crew, and post something like, "What did you think about Caladbolg as a leader, fellow crewperson, and all around person?" You'd get your answer. Chances are, someone would ask you why you would ask your question. I sort of expect you to answer. I'd expect it out of mostly everyone I know if they were asked that. However, I would hope that you said something a long the lines of, "It doesn't matter. I'm just curious." I sincerely doubt even 5% of the people I knew would do that. You can always hope. Also, I hope you are telling the truth when you said you did not ask for any help. I absolutely hate it when people do that. Shows poor leadership, inadequate power, and just shows no spine. See any of my friends here? No, because I let my affairs be my affairs, and only ask for help if the problem actually intertwines with the other. That's why I asked you to stay out of Nathien and mine’s discussion in the first place. 1-on-1 shows that you know you’re right. Asking for help means you doubt yourself, or ran out of ways to prove you are right and need help. Stand strong, and bring an army only when you see an army in front of you. One thousand men killing one man is nothing to brag and prate over. ... I also like analogies. >_<

The forum may seem like a loophole for me to get away, but I'd rather not. That would be the coward's way, and I refuse to be one. That's why I post here. I want you to know that my being here is not to cause you pain, but to actually help. Whether you believe me or not, that is still my main purpose. My only other purposes are to discuss ideas, and currently to defend my self.

Yes, I do agree with the mod. Yes, this does mean I believe you actually contacted one, and she sent you an unedited response. As captain, you have free reign. You create the government, and you head it. Democracy, socialism, capitalism (If anyone can pull that off, I would shake their hand), anarchy, communism, or even a dictatorship. You can do anything. However, that doesn’t make you right. That was my main point. You will be right when you prove that I was obscene in a disgusting manner or such. A simple opinion, however, and explaining a thought of several people is not an ungracious manner or undignified speech. So, if you want a happy people, don't take away rights. Hell, even immigrants have some right to live where you reign.

Okay, now since you've brought it up so much, I've decided to let a little tidbit in on me, since you are so intrigued with my past dealings. I alone am not the cause for Shizuki's guild to be broken down. I was the first victim of that massacre, brought on by the captain at that time, Fenris Fenrir. Because she treated me unfairly, pre-judged me over one of her own friends, she banned me. Let it be known, that her friend was wrong, and two crew members, myself and another, personally felt his bullshit. We argued for days. Fenris comes on after weeks of inactivity, and crucifies me. Later, the other parts of the crew argue back. Regardless of how the felt about me, they knew I was not at fault. In the end, 4 left with me. The others stayed, seeing no reason to leave. Fenris stepped down, and the true leader took over. So, Tessie, I was not the true cause of the spilt. Fenris was. Her poor judgment as a leader caused it. I was merely the effect of her cause, and that effect became the cause of the guild breaking down. I'm glad it stayed, though. I'd hate to see all those months I helped Shizuki create it fall to pieces. As for Dusk? Heh, everyone at that time was just pissed at me. Dusk did her job. I have no regrets with her. Maybe you should ask her about our history together. You might be surprised. ^_^

Now this you really must pay attention to. If you skimmed, don't do it here. If you read every word to the detail, awesome.
This is what I understand. You and Nathien don't like me. You guys really don't. You guys made this guild to be a peaceful place to teach newbs and n00bs how to RP better, and to teach others how to do it better. I believe it to be a noble cause. You guys were happy, and still hope this guild to grow. Then I came in with a big post. You guys got nervous. Thoughts included with that was that I may start a fight, piss people off, ******** up the guild, and just be an a*****e in all cases. Nothing positive could come of my appearance. He is just a trouble maker waiting to make trouble. I could go on with that list, but those are the main points that you spoke of. Now, I believe, at least in the beginning you thought I could be good. Now those thoughts are almost obliterated. Now you wish for this to stop, and for me to go. You want peace ands stability in your guild, nothing more. With me here, the dream is gone.
Now, have I misunderstood, or forgotten anything that we haven't already cleared up?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:24 pm


To Faery, most of the resons you gave Tesunie really have no standing to the posts he deleted. The second reason is close, but I really posed no threat to the structure of the guild. After all, you don't even know what I said unless Tesunie himself gave you the post he deleted. Which, of course, shoots down your fourth reason since I doubt he saved it. The first one only gives him a small guess to my personality. However, you can not know a person's personality unless you actually get to know them. The third, if you read my post to Tesunie, would show how little a vote of four members really stands. The 5th is really just a matter of opinion on what right and wrong is. What one guild allows, another may decline. This guild gives the same rights to those of members and non-members. Why? Because it is a public guild. He can still ban me if he really wished, and he says he allows public posting. Thus, I have the same rights as a member. I just can't help the guild grow through donations and such.

Now, you just reiterated everything Tesunie said, and I just repeated my words again. The following is not to be mean or rude, but to be sincere. Please, if you wish to stick up for Tesunie or actually help him try and convince me that I am wrong, don't keep saying what he did. It just wastes both of ours times with beign trite.
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