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Walk away from the debate if you think I'm stubborn or not worth your time, but please don't 'admit' that I'm 'right' when you clearly don't agree with me. I would much rather agree to disagree.

The thing is, I've had extended debates with some very intelligent pro-lifers who have really opened my eyes. I swayed towards the pro-life side for a while because of it. Now, I believe abortion should remain legal, as bodily integrity is very important, but I'm much more interested in reducing abortion by fighting to increase the availability of contraception, the availability and quality of sex education, support for young mothers and women who don't wish to take a break in their careers for children: women who might otherwise not want to have an abortion, etc. than I am in fighting with people whose ideologies differ from mine but who, ironically, want very similar things to me (but for different reasons).

And, yes, abortion is emotional but appeal to emotion is not a valid debate tactic. It proves nothing and should convince nobody.

And finally, there isn't a perfectly possible chance that other people will give blood, donate bone marrow or give up a kidney. In the UK, 6% of the eligible population actually give blood: six people for every hundred who are perfectly able to give blood do. There is a huge shortage of blood, and giving blood is easy, quick and almost painless. Giving bone marrow or a kidney is much more complicated and it's usually the case that people who need bone marrow or new kidneys receive them from people they know or who are in their family, partially because they're more likely to have a tissue type match but also because people in the general public are not willing to help Joe Nobody. Either way, the same basic principle is the same: if you do not give blood you are probably denying someone somewhere the chance to live, yet you are not forced to give blood; why should pregnancy be any different just because you personally 'know' the 'person' involved?

Really good prolifers call them fetuses. Well, human makes you seem less like a person. So human, since you're life is so insignificant and you being alive might not make me feel good, how about we 'let' you die.

Why?

A fetus is not a human. A fetus is not a baby.
The mass of cells inside the womb is not a baby, nor is it human. It is a potential human, potential baby.

As such, I will again ask, why should I die? I am certainly human; I am out of the womb, I have met all the qualifictations for life, why then is it right to kill me?

How does the word human make someone seem like less of a person?

i have a question, why do you choose the first breath?



so what is your opinion?



my BROTHER says the ability to feel pain should be the line. i actually think the zygote in the line. but the Hippocratic Oath actually does NOT allow abortion, but there is a different oath physicans can take that has no such restrictions. a lot of physicans take that Oath because the Hippocratic Oath appeals to the powers of Apollo and Jupiter which disagrees with people's religions.

fetuses threaten the mother's life, as i mentioned in the first post. yes they don't mean to threaten the mother's life, and the mother might've even helped set up the circumstances to allow her life to be threatened, like someone that joins the military, but we can not deny her the right to defend her life. i agree that making lemonade of a situation is really a wonderful and heroic thing to do, but we can't start forcing people to be heroes. we can't make people risk their life for others.

this is an emotional topic, but really people need to tone it down. i'm not a mod, but getting upset with someone is not going to change an opinion.

I regret not keeping my baby. My ex-girlfriend is devastated too. We had no problems until after she did it. Then we both started having these dreams. This child that we'd never seen before was crying. It was the same baby in both of our dreams. We say it die in each dream on the same night as the other had it. The child was killed in all the ways that abortion is done. At the end, the child would reappear fine and tell us that it loved us anyway.

No lies, baboos, abortion is scary s**t, and I am totally against it now.

hmm, abortion.
If it threatens someones life in anyway then yes go ahead do it. But I am against it in other cases, I mean your taking away life and your taking away thier potential to do good. If you dont want it put it up for addoption but dont kill it. What if Martin Kings mom had an abortion? The USA would be a very different place.

I'm against those too, if your going to have a sex do it for a good reason. Have a kid damnit!