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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:49 am
lidless_i Well, one of the problems with American school might be the fact that it's run on federal money. No matter how badly the schools do at educating their students they will never be shut down here. i agree... also... the feds should invest their money on privitizing schools and also establishing a program where they help people finacially for schools... instead of having public ones... the problem is because schools have to follow federal and state schooling laws... and they can't do much to discipline the children. DOE is a waste of federal money.. confused
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:08 pm
It's true lots of americans take it easy, but there are others who push themselves. For instance, I am in a college level Calculus class, with an A, as a junior in high school. I tried. (I also have a knack for math.) On average, loads of American kids take it easy, but the only reason America hasn't gone completely down the tubes (What are these tubes of which you speak?) is because there are intelligent people who like to learn, want to try, have a knack for academics, or just get out and do it. So, I'd say, on average, a foreign child in a country of significant education has learned more in the same number of years then an American kid, but that doesn't mean that there aren't American kids who are just as smart as their foreign peers.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:25 pm
This topic that you brought up is very interesting, indeed. Well, for one, America's Schooling System is far more easier compared to most Asian and European Countries.
For instance, Korea[South] has School on Saturday, some even continue until Sunday. And the Students have jobs to clean up the School, such as clean the chalkboard, wipe the floors and windows etc etc. If they do not clean up, they are punished. And in America, raising a han is a crimial offense. Since I'm a tad bit going off topic here, I'll go back to the school. the vacation days they have is only one month, and they have daily homework, such as writing in a journal everyday. Tests are as hard as attending to school is.
I've lived in America for quite some time. I was an average student back in England, passable, as some would say. When I started attending to elementary school in America, they said I was, "Child Prodigy". I am no prodigy, being completely serious. So, what I guess I'm trying to say is that I'm sort of a living proof that other countries have it harder on students.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:34 pm
American schooling is child's play compared to Asian schooling. I've lived in China for 6.5 years; been to school there for 3.5. Schooling there is a lot tougher than here in the US & A.
The one major difference: punishments. If you fail a test, you go to school and stay there until 8PM, reviewing the test material. If you do something wrong in class, you go stand in the corner with your arms out for an hour and a half. This is only elementary school. I can't even imagine high school.
The bright side is, over 90% of new generation kids go to college.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:25 am
The Boney King of Nowhere The American School sytem sucks.but i think its getting tougher.... The american way of life sucks overall we are pampered with all these rights and what not and now than im almost graduating im freakin out because its gonna be hard. My brother and sister were raised in mexico but moved here during high school and they say that its way to "sugar coated in america". Im the wuss in the family and i hate it but i try and no matter how much i try i cant top them beecause they have "suffered" and i havent America needs to toughen up on the kids and i mean TOUGHEN UP bring back ruler smacking and all that jazz they need it. Is it me or are kids getting more violent? Ruler smacking! HAHAHA! Kids already rebel towards authority figures; Also, that method is just immoral. I don't want other people disciplining my children, and laying their hands on them. The reason they lower the standards is because requirements aren't being met, so they make requirements that will show a greater precentage of success rates.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:29 am
Ensigma American schooling is child's play compared to Asian schooling. I've lived in China for 6.5 years; been to school there for 3.5. Schooling there is a lot tougher than here in the US & A. The one major difference: punishments. If you fail a test, you go to school and stay there until 8PM, reviewing the test material. If you do something wrong in class, you go stand in the corner with your arms out for an hour and a half. This is only elementary school. I can't even imagine high school. The bright side is, over 90% of new generation kids go to college. And do you know why it's tougher there then in America? It's because of the cultures and ways of life. Chinese are more financial success driven, and part of that success is being successful in school. I also remember hearing that if a chinese child fails a grade/test more than twice they're disowned from their family, and disgraced their family. Something along those lines. "As long as you gave it your best shot" is the attitude of most American families.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:34 am
mikhailxyohman Ensigma American schooling is child's play compared to Asian schooling. I've lived in China for 6.5 years; been to school there for 3.5. Schooling there is a lot tougher than here in the US & A. The one major difference: punishments. If you fail a test, you go to school and stay there until 8PM, reviewing the test material. If you do something wrong in class, you go stand in the corner with your arms out for an hour and a half. This is only elementary school. I can't even imagine high school. The bright side is, over 90% of new generation kids go to college. And do you know why it's tougher there then in America? It's because of the cultures and ways of life. Chinese are more financial success driven, and part of that success is being successful in school. I also remember hearing that if a chinese child fails a grade/test more than twice they're disowned from their family, and disgraced their family. Something along those lines. "As long as you gave it your best shot" is the attitude of most American families. Amercians aren't financial success driven? I think the reason is that Chinese people care more about successful education than Americans do, so they implement everything they can to get it done. The ends justify the means. And sometimes, families do disown for failing. My former older brother failed high school, so my family disowned him. He then moved to Japan. I think he's yakuza now. xd
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:29 am
and lately americans are so stupid they keep giveing out tons of homework without telling you what to do and you show up for class and look your homework is not compleat and somehow you still pass.
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ignorance is bliss or not
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:32 am
Wow. This is a very interesting topic posting indeed. ^^ Anyway... You are very right with America's "laziness" with educations with the expections of some schools and places that are huge on academics. Like you said, Japan has very strict and disciplinary schools, regularities, and teachers/teachings. Well, what would you expect when you know that Japan has a 97% literacy rate. There are essentially NO drop-outs in Japan !!! They have almost no leisure time !!!!! >.< Canada even has a 13th Grade before College. 0.o Well... I am very big on education (and so is my school), and I am in a lot of things like... Who's Who in America's High School. The National High IQ Society. The National Scholarship Foundation... I have already been published in a book nationally for my academic acheivements... too soon I think for me. My school also wants me to take the ACTs this year... which is a Junior-only test for College. I mean... This was all when I was a Freshman. I am barely a Sophomore now. crying Anyway...
I guess what I am trying to say is that we should even focus more on the American educational system or... not. Hmm. I wonder which option should be chosen. ^-^
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:30 pm
-My Opinion Shall Ensue- I believe that, yes, America's school system is generally worse than most others around the world. The reasons I think it is this way is because more then 50% of pharmaceudical drugs like Ritalin and Prozac etc are purchased by Americans, and simply the epidemic of street drugs, which many students seem to actually think are okay for them. Now, here is my majour point: The school system is not an education system! An education system is a system which has its students learn knowledge for knowledge! On the other hand, the School system is a system where its students focus on attaining titles and other non knowledge related things such as GRADES! If we are trying to teach our kids, then why the hell do we base school off simply finishing worksheets, done correctly or not, and aiming for an 'A'. So, here are some examples of problems in the School system: We quick-memorize some dates 5 minutes before a test, get an 'A-', and then forget everything by the end of the day. One student is slower at learning and grasping mathmatics, while other students happen to be naturals at it. So the student who CAN understand math never does because the teacher never gives him the necesary time he needs to learn it. But the teacher treats all sstudents the same, going at the same pace for everyone. Those who happen to excel at math, will understand math while the slower student never does. Now you have stunted a students potential. The school system always is saying how it works toward encouraging individual thinking while treating all students the same way, and conforming them into by giving them all the same amount of time to complete tests or assignments, and they never recognize that all of us are different, individual people who don't all learn everything at the same pace!
Now, I apologize for the rant, but The school system sucks. scream burning_eyes I will gladly expand on this more if I interested anyone! biggrin Just feel free to PM me.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:33 pm
Although I do agree that American schooling is fairly easier than most other countries academics I do not agree that you just go to school slack and pass with "decent" grades, what school are you going to? At my school, though not nearly as strict as staying until 8pm to review test material, you don't turn in the work 0 sorry better luck next time maybe after your grade drops below a C you'll learn to do your work. It's no walk in the park....maybe a very creepy, abandoned park at night... I believe that American schooling is easier because there are more opportunities available to those who weren't "academically inclined."
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:48 pm
Districting, and the method of funding schools through their administrations directly are the real reasons our schools are in such bad shape. Its all internal business and greed inside that system. There is a lot of red tape to cut through, to fire bad teachers, thanks to unions, and they dont get paid very much for motivation either, thanks to administrators who wont pay what they dont have to. They're also reluctant to spend money fixing problems in a school unless they must. In a sense its like having a bad landlord who will only repair whats absolutely necessary (depending on your district), and only if there's widespread distaste and understanding towards the complication.
Some schools, on the other hand, do spend huge sums of money on technology and equipment, but do little to change the teachers, when they are the real problem. If you look at top schools in Belgium, or even Poland, you'll see these schools have MUCH MUCH smaller budgets. Instead of blowing their money on computers, these foreign schools forcus on hiring outgoing, experienced teachers. Even without all the nice things, the students in these schools do 10x better than American children, particularly in science and math.
The practice of districting students and methods of funding schools are the most serious problems in my oppinion. If you are a child living in a bad area, there arent enough taxes from the poor residents to support a good school (and where theres little money, administrators are going to be less likely to fix problems unles they're absolutely necessary.) These are the inner city schools you hear of, that are falling to s**t.
Its my oppinion that American schools should be run like businesses with the aid of the federal government. If the feds give some sort of education allowance directly to the families, instead of paying administrators, they'll have the option of chosing their school. In turn, that school must compete with others to stay at the top. Shitty teachers will no longer be a problem. If this ever does happen, administrators will find a way of handling the red tape that makes it hard to fire bad teachers. Pointless testing would probably also work its way out of the methods of schooling along with TAKS and whatever else parents find revolting. I imagine administrators would find ways of smoothing out all those bumps, just like any corperation would, that is desperate for increased profits.
Naturally better methods of teaching, and in depth repeated utilization of skills and information, which help children to remember what they have retained, will be put in to practice. The better teachers who are actually there to do what they do because they are well experienced, and love their jobs( instead of cursing their high school students,) will in the long run inspire, motivate and connect with kids. If you have a teacher that will go to great lengths to make learning fun and exciting for a student, fewer will fail, and drop out. Teachers that have that gift (my 10th grade chem teacher for example) change the lives of students. They're people you dont forget even when you're 40, because they impassion you to put effort into work, make it exciting, and encourage you even if you're not doing so great.
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:25 pm
Level 41 Pandabot Districting, and the method of funding schools through their administrations directly are the real reasons our schools are in such bad shape. Its all internal business and greed inside that system. There is a lot of red tape to cut through, to fire bad teachers, thanks to unions, and they dont get paid very much for motivation either, thanks to administrators who wont pay what they dont have to. They're also reluctant to spend money fixing problems in a school unless they must. In a sense its like having a bad landlord who will only repair whats absolutely necessary (depending on your district), and only if there's widespread distaste and understanding towards the complication. Some schools, on the other hand, do spend huge sums of money on technology and equipment, but do little to change the teachers, when they are the real problem. If you look at top schools in Belgium, or even Poland, you'll see these schools have MUCH MUCH smaller budgets. Instead of blowing their money on computers, these foreign schools forcus on hiring outgoing, experienced teachers. Even without all the nice things, the students in these schools do 10x better than American children, particularly in science and math. The practice of districting students and methods of funding schools are the most serious problems in my oppinion. If you are a child living in a bad area, there arent enough taxes from the poor residents to support a good school (and where theres little money, administrators are going to be less likely to fix problems unles they're absolutely necessary.) These are the inner city schools you hear of, that are falling to s**t. Its my oppinion that American schools should be run like businesses with the aid of the federal government. If the feds give some sort of education allowance directly to the families, instead of paying administrators, they'll have the option of chosing their school. In turn, that school must compete with others to stay at the top. Shitty teachers will no longer be a problem. If this ever does happen, administrators will find a way of handling the red tape that makes it hard to fire bad teachers. Pointless testing would probably also work its way out of the methods of schooling along with TAKS and whatever else parents find revolting. I imagine administrators would find ways of smoothing out all those bumps, just like any corperation would, that is desperate for increased profits. Naturally better methods of teaching, and in depth repeated utilization of skills and information, which help children to remember what they have retained, will be put in to practice. The better teachers who are actually there to do what they do because they are well experienced, and love their jobs( instead of cursing their high school students,) will in the long run inspire, motivate and connect with kids. If you have a teacher that will go to great lengths to make learning fun and exciting for a student, fewer will fail, and drop out. Teachers that have that gift (my 10th grade chem teacher for example) change the lives of students. They're people you dont forget even when you're 40, because they impassion you to put effort into work, make it exciting, and encourage you even if you're not doing so great. The bad thing is that how are the kids suppose to get to school without districting? Not everyone can get a ride from their parents or friends to school. That's where districting helps having public transportation, and that takes care of some attendance problems that may occur. Also, they are public schools which means the kids attend school for free. If the schools had little tuitions to attend it would make for a better learning atmosphere and experience. Although, that's just a dream. I think people depend too much on the American government. Our government isn't made of money and it's actually in debt, with talks about tax reduction which most people are in favor of. They don't realise it's cutting into funds for schooling, roads, etc.
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:16 pm
Spirit_of_Yarn Edit: Oh and as for so called "History CLass" needs to be renamed "Nap Time" I agree. Although, in my case it's because my history classroom is so goddam COLD you can't help but fall asleep. Our school has practically no heating system whatsoever, and then my history teacher keeps a fan on. -.-
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