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Hermonie Urameshi

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:00 pm


That's the only thing I don't like about it. They boast that they're the best, but you can't learn with out another reference or two.

BTW, did you use both levels?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:56 pm


sweatdrop I only got the first level 'cause it was a Christmas gift. Is the second level any different/better?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:30 am


The second level should get you on a higher level. I haven't finished the first level so I'm not sure.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:01 pm


Yep, definitely not stand-alone. You have to have more references. A dictionary is a must, as well as another language learning program. I actually like BYKI a lot (free version), it's been a nice help along with both German and Danish for me. You're probably going to want more than that, though. I love having a native speaker living with me, I would be lost in the language without him. gonk heart

Kyori-Chan


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:59 pm


I just saved up for over a month for the Swahili Rosetta Stone, only to find, less than a week later, BYKI...
I used them both for a while, but I actually like BYKI better!
Which really sucks, because you can't return the Rosetta Stone after opening it, so I just got set back $200 from going on a trip to Brazil next year...>.>;;
PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:14 pm


They did some tests and BYKI actually had some flaws with their programme, so be careful of those.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:20 pm


I'm currently using Rosetta Stone for Spanish. My version came with like, 15 languages. sweatdrop I got it for free from someone who's apparently very good at acquiring expensive software for free; o_O if I'd known how expensive it normally is, I wouldn't have accepted it. I feel vaguely criminal, now.

Anyway, the version I'm using doesn't just have the whole matching-pictures-with-words set-up; there are several other options, as well. Depending on how you choose to do the exercise, you can work on your spelling, pronunciation, and audio recognition. There's quite a bit to it, but I haven't explored it much, yet.

My biggest problem with it is that it assumes you already know the alphabet of other languages already. With something like Arabic, where I can't even identify which letters make which sounds, I really don't know how much the program would help me. Even with alphabets similar to my own (Polish comes to mind), without any sort of idea as to how letters are pronounced, I'm at a loss. Maybe if I really stuck with it, I'd learn something, but I just get overwhelmed trying the first few exercises and go back to something like Spanish. xd

So, I do feel like I'm learning a little bit, but I don't know if it's very good all by itself.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:20 am


I don't think there is any way, aside from total emersion, for one to learn a language using only one learning source. That said, I don't see anywhere where the program literally/specifically says "The ONLY thing you'll need to learn a language"..just its tagline that claims it's the "#1 language learning software", which isn't quite the same thing, na?

But anyway, I still stand by my previous post that it's a great program. Someone mentioned it only taught you phrases...No, it gives you repitition of sentences to help you understand basic sentence structure and grammar, really I don't know why you'd try to memorize each sentence they teach you as a phrase, when they're giving you things like "This girl is drinking milk, while those two guys over there are eating bread" sweatdrop

And true, it could be somewhat difficult that they automatically use the scripts of each language, perhaps I'm not sure how difficult that really is since I could already read the languages I have it for, but if you think about it, how did you learn the script of your first language? Similar way, na? Though it would be nice if they went through and had a section just with the pronunciation of each letter/character just to give you a place to start na

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I heard it is really good....after a week or so. Just because it is new and stuff people like it..and then end up not using it at all ... so I heard it isn't worth the $200.

I have heard this only from lazy people who haven't had the patience to use the program and all its features to the entirety and put in the 200+ hours of study the program reccomends. Otherwise, though still definitely not a stand-alone learning tool, it isn't bad.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:47 am


Tahmnong


And true, it could be somewhat difficult that they automatically use the scripts of each language, perhaps I'm not sure how difficult that really is since I could already read the languages I have it for, but if you think about it, how did you learn the script of your first language? Similar way, na? Though it would be nice if they went through and had a section just with the pronunciation of each letter/character just to give you a place to start na



I don't know how other kids did it, but I learned my alphabet and then learned how the letters go together to make words.
I admit that I'm no expert on the program, but it doesn't really cover the alphabet, it just starts out with words. It's still a great program, and if one was serious enough about learning the language, there are other sources for stuff like alphabets. It's just wishful thinking on my part that they had some lessons that covered that. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:22 am


Koko.Dk
I was considering it since it claims to be "the best language program in the world." I wanted to at least try it out. Instant Immersion is HORRIBLE especially with Japanese. It nearly set my brain on fire. So I know that Rosetta Stone has to be better than Instant Immersion.

Forgedawn: DO NOT under any circumstances buy Pimsleur. It's rated the "WORST" language program in the world. I tried it for French and it only taught me ten sentences! An absolute waste of my time! stressed


I didn't. I did get it from the library, and though it has so far helped me speed up a little bit, I've really only learned 3 sentences out of 2 discs. And my friend Lydia was with me when I got it, and it only teaches masculine forms... razz At least, so far. (Vy amerikanits? Da, ya amerikanits.)

So no, no money shall be spent on it. But there's this computer store near my home going out of business, and I'm hoping they'll have Rosetta Stone on sale razz

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:47 am


Language experts say that Rosetta Stone is THE BEST programme and that nothing else can even come close to it...So far I would have to agree, especially when it comes to BYKI and Pimsuler, but I would only use it for listening comprehension...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:46 pm


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I'm currently using Rosetta Stone for Spanish. My version came with like, 15 languages. sweatdrop I got it for free from someone who's apparently very good at acquiring expensive software for free; o_O if I'd known how expensive it normally is, I wouldn't have accepted it. I feel vaguely criminal, now.

Anyway, the version I'm using doesn't just have the whole matching-pictures-with-words set-up; there are several other options, as well. Depending on how you choose to do the exercise, you can work on your spelling, pronunciation, and audio recognition. There's quite a bit to it, but I haven't explored it much, yet.

My biggest problem with it is that it assumes you already know the alphabet of other languages already. With something like Arabic, where I can't even identify which letters make which sounds, I really don't know how much the program would help me. Even with alphabets similar to my own (Polish comes to mind), without any sort of idea as to how letters are pronounced, I'm at a loss. Maybe if I really stuck with it, I'd learn something, but I just get overwhelmed trying the first few exercises and go back to something like Spanish. xd

So, I do feel like I'm learning a little bit, but I don't know if it's very good all by itself.

I'm very good at getting any program for free also. o.O I got Rosetta Stone for japanese in about three days of downloading(levels 1 and 2) but I don't like it very much so I'm looking for something a little bit better... Or at least something that will go along with it to make learning easier...

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:24 am


Kyori-Chan
Yep, definitely not stand-alone. You have to have more references. A dictionary is a must, as well as another language learning program. I actually like BYKI a lot (free version), it's been a nice help along with both German and Danish for me. You're probably going to want more than that, though. I love having a native speaker living with me, I would be lost in the language without him. gonk heart


I found BYKI not all that useful and some of the words they said belonged to a different word.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:42 pm


I just would like to say...
ROSETTA STONE IS AMAZING!!! I love it. I've used it to learn Italian. It really works. And trust me... the pictures/words (phrases and sent. later on) learning method is amazing. It is just the way a baby learns and it works!

sono italiano


ThaddeusTheThird

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:52 pm


Okay, so I've been doing my Russian Rosetta Stone for about 6 months now.

I was really happy at first because there's so many ways you can study the material. They've got all these different methods per section. And if you actually sit down and do every single method per section, it really does fuse the information into your brain. biggrin

Anyway, I do have a few...eh, complaints about the system. They don't really teach grammar because they stress learning it the natural way. So they'll just show pictures that cover plural, verb tenses, genders, things like that. And there's really no order or pattern they put them in. Like for example, the verb to run. They show.... like girl runs, boys run. There's singular and plural for 3rd person. But they don't cover I, you, we, or plural you. Well, so far, anyway. And I'm in chapter 2 lesson 10 or so.
Another thing is that sometimes the pictures aren't clear. Or it's confusing what they want of you. Like one time they showed the letter 5, letter 6, 5 balls, then 6. And they said "five." And if I clicked on 5 balls, it was wrong. That was a real " sweatdrop " moment.

But other than that, I do like the system. I can still hear the voices in my head sometimes and it helps with pronunciation. And what I love is that every level is so long. So there's lots and lots of information to cover. biggrin

EDIT: Also, it does assume you know the alphabet already. And the sounds. And with a language like Russian with the cyrillic, that's really...bad.
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