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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:48 pm


Well, you and your ex chose to have unprotected sex. Yes your gym teacher put you under a lot of stress, but if you couldn't have afforded to have a baby at this point in your life, then it's really not completely his fault. You and your boyfriend shouldn't have been having sex, or even unprotected sex. End of story. I don't mean that in a judgemental way, I'm just being quite blunt.

But the miscarriage wasn't your fault, and you should seek medical help. I've heard it's dangerous to not get medical attention after having a miscarriage.
That's all I can think of to say. If you can do it without your parents finding out, you could try your family doctor or Planned Parenthood. If you can't, then tell your parents and ask them to take you to a doctor or a hospital. Don't put your future health/fertility at risk because you don't want to get checked out.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:07 am


I had my first miscarriage with my current boyfriend. I lost it on March 25 of this year. I knew I was pregnant and I was excited about it. Then before my adventure could begin it was cut short. I was going through anorexia at the time and in the end I think that was the cause of it. I feel really guilty, but I've felt better lately.

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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:54 am


Glad to hear you are doing better, and I'm sorry for your loss. heart
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:01 pm


All I have to say say on the recollections of the abortions is ... wow.
I've considered myself beyond pro-choice, to almost be pro-abortion, as I feel having a child you never wanted in the first place, whether you put them up for adoption or not, is just plain wrong.
After reading your post, though... the hopsital seemed to be very comforting and proper, but even just the whole buzzer/camera entrance to the clinic is rather disturbing. It really makes me hope abortions become even more legal so they're properly done in hopsitals, not clinics... and to the anti-abortion folks... if her experience can be that horrible in a LEGAL clinic, imagine what it would be like if it were illegal... good lord.
ANyway, I'm very sorry the experiences were so horrible for you, and the clinic was so cold. For an already traumatic experience, they treated you like total crap, and I really hope you reported them to the BBB or SOMEBODY.

Savina


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:40 pm


Honestly I just wanted to let the whole thing be behind me. However I work in the medical feild and after finding at least two other women who suffered problems after going to the smae doctor I reported her to the college of physicians and surgeons. Last I heard she was under investigation. I would hate to see a legal clinic shut down, but she was truly not a good doc.

To the young women who suspect they suffered early misscarages, I strongly recomend that you see a doctor after a suspected miss. sometimes you can have what is referred to as "RETAINED PRODUCTS OF CONCEPTION" parts of the placenta stuck to the uterine wall (this can happen after a normal delivery as well) This is dying tissue and can die inside you and become infected and cause you to get very very sick. Sometimes a very early (ie: before one month) misscarrages can pass fully without medical intervention, BUT if the bleeding soaks a pad more than one per hour, or you get a fever, or SEVERE cramping then you NEED to seek medical help immidiatly! Also after a suspected misscarage, PLEASE DO NOT use a TAMPON! Let a cycle or two go by and use pads. It is just safer as you cervix is open sligtly because of the misscariage.


Thank you all for your kind words.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:54 am


I had this friend in school who had an abortion.

My personal opinion is unless you can't handle it emotionally or physically, there's no reason you should have an abortion. If you don't have the money, you should remember that there are people in the world who can't have kids. But I don't judge people because they don't fit my view on it so please do judge me.

But anyway, this friend, she was pregnant. She decided she was going to have an abortion.

When I found out her reason, I thought so little of her, I will admit.

She didn't want to have the baby because she thought her parents would make her go through the birth naturally.

She wasn't scared and she was perfectly able to handle it. Hell, our teacher told her that adoption would be a wonderful option! But she didn't want to go through it without pain killers.

I think she was about 15 when this happened, though. It's been a while. But that's kinda all I can think of to share.

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Nikolita
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:59 am


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I had this friend in school who had an abortion.

My personal opinion is unless you can't handle it emotionally or physically, there's no reason you should have an abortion. If you don't have the money, you should remember that there are people in the world who can't have kids. But I don't judge people because they don't fit my view on it so please do judge me.

But anyway, this friend, she was pregnant. She decided she was going to have an abortion.

When I found out her reason, I thought so little of her, I will admit.

She didn't want to have the baby because she thought her parents would make her go through the birth naturally.

She wasn't scared and she was perfectly able to handle it. Hell, our teacher told her that adoption would be a wonderful option! But she didn't want to go through it without pain killers.

I think she was about 15 when this happened, though. It's been a while. But that's kinda all I can think of to share.


Sad as it may be, it makes sense. She was 15. How many 15 year olds want to go through with a pregnancy? How biologically and mentally and cognitively developed is the average teenager? Not fully developed at that age.

My former landlady had her daughter at 14 or 15, and I'm guessing she did it naturally, or with few painkillers, because she said it was the most painful thing ever, and that she will never have any more children. She's 26 now.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:58 pm


Mikkara
Thank you for having this up...when I first lost mine I felt like I had no where to go to talk about it...after a year and a half I felt I should be getting better now...but sense mothers day it seems to have come back, ten times worse then even when it happend...sometimes you feel like you just need someone to listen, even if theres nothing they can do about it...sometimes I feel terrible and irrational...like it's somehow my fault and I could have stopped it...and recently my friends and I were talking and we wonderd how babies dream sense they havent had a chance to see life, but they have registerd REM cycles even in the womb, and we began talking about the theory that babies know everything in the universe. Somehow that got into my mind that, if it's true, she probably hates me because I should have done something to help her...and if your unborn child hates you, then you must be entirely worthless...
Latley I have been doing a bit better...but today is a bit hard, it would have been her first birthday...hopefully I'll be doing alright again soon...I was basically just meaning to say its nice to have someone to talk to redface


I'm sorry. I lost my baby in February. My boyfriend expects me to be over it. But Im not. I just pretend It doesn't bother me, but deep down I want to just die. I was that babies mother and it was my job to protect him/her and bring that baby into the world. And I couldn't do it. My body wouldn't do it. I hate myself. I cry when ever I see a pregnant women. I hate them and I am jealous of them. I want my baby back. I would do anything.
Good luck.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:07 pm


I try to be pro choice. It is your body that has to go through the changes of being a pregnant mom. But then I also see my own loss. I wanted my baby so bad, so how can someone else just throw theirs away? If you can't handle the consequences of having sex, then just don't do. Abortion shouldn't be used as an easy way out. It should be used at the only way out. I just think if you think that you are mature enough to be having sex then you need to be mature enough to handle the consequences. Like pregnancy or STDs. Always use protection and if you can, get birth control. I was using condoms when I got pregnant, the condom had a hole in it. It is rare that something like that will happen, but it does. Abortion isn't an easy choice for any women. And abortion itself is very painful. They pretty much take a hook up you and scrape the baby out. Anyone doing an abortion should look at parents who can't have children. They want babies, but can't make their own. They are always loving people, I have found. Abortion isn't the only option. But don't keep having sex just because you know you can always have an abortion. Thats wrong. If it was a serious accident, or something, it is different. I dunno. confused
PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:20 pm


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Hi, I'm 15. About 2 months ago, I hooked up with an ex-boyfriend, we are still best friends. We had unprotected sex. I'm not for sure how long, but after a while I experienced some symptoms of pregnancy. My Phys Ed teacher is a real jerk, he kept yelling at me and I put up with his crap for about 3 weeks, one days, i got nausiated and dizzy in front of my parents, they asked me if I was pregnant, I said no, they asked me if there was any chance, I said no. Later my dad and I were talking, and he asked me the same thing, I stuck to the answer. He said good, cause if you were I couldn't handle it, your life would be over, I got pissed. A couple of days later I was going to the doctor for a sinus infection, the night before I had some spotting, I decided I would tell my dad the next day. The next morning I woke up with HORRID cramps, I went to the bathroom, I was on my period, I was flowing REALLY heavy, The next day, I was changing my tampon, and after I pulled it out, a huge mass fell out. I had HORRID cramps, and I told my two best friends, I never said anything to my dad, I am now convinced I had a miscarriage, I feel stupid, and I also partially blame my P.E. teacher for it b/c of the stress he put me under. I flowwed heavily for a while, about a week, I usually go for 2-4 days. I told my ex, he was a smart a** about it, but I told him that I wouldn't have sex w/ him again unless he had a condom, he understood.
To this day, I feel so DUMB, STUPID, and any other thing I can think of to call myself

~Barbi heart

P.S.Thanx Nikolita, I would have never found this on my own
P.S.S. If you have any questions you dont want to post, or have others see, just PM me that is fine


Stress doesn't always end a pregnancy.
A lot of it is about your age.
My OB told me its hard for teenagers to undergo pregnancy because of it. Our bodies just aren't ready.
Normally when you have a miscarriage that early in pregnancy, it is because something went wrong with development. You body cancels the pregnancy. They say many women have miscarriages and don't even realize it because it happens to early in their pregnancies. Mine was the same thing. Woke up for school, there was some small amount of blood. And around 6:30 I was having contractions/cramps and was rushed to the ER were I miscarried at 11:30pm. It was a sicken experience. But at least you weren't far along. At about 5 months, you have to deliver the baby and the baby looks like a baby not a bunch of tissue. I was 10 weeks, so it wasnt as bad as the women in the room further down from me. She was also having a miscarriage, but she was 6 months along, so she had a still birth. It must of been horrible for her.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:47 pm


My mom had an abortion I think right before my second oldest sister... or maybe right before me. Either way, she did.

The child was going to die and everyone knew it. Its brains were coming out of its skull. There was no question of survival, and if my mother had the child it could have possibly harmed her greatly.

My mom decided to undergo induced pregnancy to get rid of the child. She told me that she felt it move around the night before -- the first trace of movement from the child for months. She cried, but she went through with it.

My mom is Pro-life. I'm sure some nights she stays up thinking about that child. But it wasn't her fault.


Isn't murder okay in self-defense?
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:24 am


Akikko
My mom had an abortion I think right before my second oldest sister... or maybe right before me. Either way, she did.

The child was going to die and everyone knew it. Its brains were coming out of its skull. There was no question of survival, and if my mother had the child it could have possibly harmed her greatly.

My mom decided to undergo induced pregnancy to get rid of the child. She told me that she felt it move around the night before -- the first trace of movement from the child for months. She cried, but she went through with it.

My mom is Pro-life. I'm sure some nights she stays up thinking about that child. But it wasn't her fault.


Isn't murder okay in self-defense?


I wouldn't call it murder, personally, but I don't see a problem with terminating a pregnancy if it's going to pose a health risk to the mother. Obviously it's very sad and unfortunate that sometimes it has to work out that way, but it's understandable.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:55 pm


I'm actually somewhat surprised I hadn't posted here on my own experience sooner. I'm a detailed writer, so parts of this may seem somewhat... R-ish rated. My apologies in advance.

How It Happened...
It all started one night in March. I honestly can't say which night because, as to be described later, I lost a good portion of my memory.
Basically, my boyfriend at the time and I had plans to eat out that night. But there was a small fight, and during so, he told me he would have canceled anyway because a few days prior, without my knowledge of course, he made plans to have a 'guy's night out' with some of our other friends. (Apparently at the time, they didn't want me around because in their eyes, I was this whiny little b***h.) Now the house they were at was far off from where I was, in town, so after being ditched, I was basically stuck.
So I tried to keep myself busy at least...
I was downtown shopping from store to store and, with no ride home at the time and with shops beginning to close as the day ended, I got very bored. I called a friend of mine who lived nearbye to come and meet me, with the intention of exploring this abandoned house near the river or getting some food somewhere and watching a movie. He only lived a few miles away, so he wouldn't take long to get to my location, or so I thought. But apparently he was waiting on his mother (his ride) who was taking a considerably longer time than she said when my friend and I talked on the phone.
So... I decided I'd take a small walk, turn around, and by the time I was back, they'd be ready and on their way. The place I intended walking was a river trail through town. (The Animas river runs in a zig zag right through the city of Durango, CO.)
Parts of it are very shady and depressing due to the abandoned buildings, construction sites, and fenced properties on the one side, and on the other is the river. A rocky formation of the trail kept the trail well hidden as well. Though it wasn't nessisarilly the smartest place to be walking, it was at the time, the most relaxing.
I was a very easily depressed person back then.
Anyway. I started trekking forward. There was street noise and cars and a park with some joggers, and that's where the trail really began. It's after crossing a bridge that it gets shady such as described above.
I was crossing said bridge, thinking on my life issues and enjoying the fade out of busy traffic, when somebody suddenly grabbed me from behind. The person grabbed my mouth hard with one hand and it hurt and I couldn't scream. With the other, somehow, my arms were behind my back. Somehow in the struggle, I was turned around, and pulled to somewhere in the direction I had come from. (Which I'm assuming upon recolection was in the shadow of a large abandoned house.)
I was pushed on the ground to my stomach and quickly grabbed again.
He let go of my mouth with the hand before and I could feel him squirming and making rough movements as he held me down.
I whimpered, in shock at first, and couldn't close my eyes. But while I know they were open, I can't remember seeing the surroundings or hearing anything other than his breath or my own heart beat.
Being that my friends do silly things like that to me, at first, I had to ask myself if it was perhaps my friend pulling a prank or something of the sort. But I knew it couldn't be him.
I noticed one of his hands was away from my arms causing a looser grip for some reason, so for a moment, I was able to turn around, and able to catch a glimpse of him. I did not see much. But from his dress and body type, I assume he was my age or maybe a little older. Of his appearance, all I can pin point was his pale vampire white hands, his skinny and tallish frame, and his black hoodie (hood up, I'll mention) with some kind of large circular white or light colored print on the front. Very soon after, I was pushed back and again held by the arms once more.
Well I can guess why he was making hasty movements and why one hand was occupied... There was a pause, and I noticed the cool air hitting my skin on my waist, hips, and thighs. That second I realized my pants were down, I felt the something push between my closed legs, and then with a thrust of his body, some sudden horrid pain. And again, and again once more. Within' seconds I was sobbing but again a hand had my lips latched shut.
You can easily guess what it was...
And everything went blank.
I don't remember anything else about the intercourse.. o_o
I remember waking up on the grass with my pants up, but unzipped and unbuttoned. I remember it being odd that my jaw hurt and parts of my legs felt numb. I reached down, felt around and pulled my hand to my sight to check for blood, but there was nothing. With that, I told myself I was okay enough to walk, so I got up, got to a phone, and attempting to call my boyfriend and one of 'what I think' is one of my best friends. But they wouldn't talk to me. I called up crying and starting to ask for help, but the friend cut me off telling me I wasn't aloud to talk to them and that they weren't going to pick up that night anymore because they were all under the assumption I was only calling to argue/b***h at my boyfriend. The people I wanted to be there and care just weren't, and wouldn't even let me explain. I felt horrid; My voice was so empty to all of them. Had they been there, I think I would have had enough support and courage to go the hospital and take an immediate anonymous rape kit. (Which probably would have included a dose of PlanB.) But even if I got a hold of them, I had the suspicion they wouldn't believe me anyway...
Anyway... When I couldn't get a hold of them, I called my mother and asked her to come and pick me up. I did not tell her what happened yet. Only that I was very tired for some reason.
I burried it all, with no intent of ever telling a soul. Honestly, I had even forgotten until around a month later; A month later when I began to wonder "Where is my period?"
A week passed since I was supposed to go on it, and I told myself "it could be irregular this month."
Another week passed, and I told myself "in another week, I'll take a test to see..."
Fear prevented me from doing this at first, but on May 5th, I finally took said test.
I already knew I was pregnant though; Something just told me in my heart that I'd be seeing a little plus sign, no doubt. And I was right.
One would think I would be crying and sobbing right then and there; But I was already having a horrible day. My (now ex) boyfriend and I had just fought, and he was physically and sexually abusive, I had just dropped out of school, feeling like a failure and disapointment, and at the time, my best friends didn't want anything to do with me. I couldn't feel anymore depressed than I already was. If anything, I would describe myself as lifeless. I felt like a doll. Something you could stick a thousand pins in, but it would never change its listless expression. I suppose perhaps the fact that I was at my friend's house when I took the test made me a little more comfortable, but that night I found out she actually didn't like me or consider me a friend because she believed what the highschool hype portrayed me as over my word.
After taking the test, I took a long shower.
After getting out, I called my boyfriend and told him. He came over, we talked, and another friend that was there heard and everything. Which, is both good and bad. At the time, he didn't believe me but lied and said he did. Then he really DID end up believing me later when we discussed privately. But, he ended up telling a friend, who couldn't keep her mouth shut, and it escalated into a rumor within' a week.
The next day, I told my mother. It was hell. I had to tell her about the rape and it was depressing and awkward.
It also pissed me off because of her reaction.
She basically thought I was lying about the rape to cover for my (now ex) boyfriend's and my mistake.
"You're too calm about this all, Ali" she said. I don't remember how I answered.
I was indeed calm. How was I supposed to react?
I don't remember much of the sex itself, only the prelude to its events, and I had my own time to think and cry myself to sleep. Besides, it's better in my opinion to tell her with my blank face on than a mopey sad one.
Around a week later, I had my first appointment with Planned Parenthood after deciding I want an abortion.
Many reasons as to why.
#1. I do not like small children or infants. I consider them pests.
#2. I'm just going into modeling. HELLO, do I HAVE to explain how much a kid could ******** that up?
#3. I would rather have a child I actually want someday rather than have it out of obligation. A gift forced is no gift.
#4. I wouldn't mind attending college someday.
#5. Highschool is still in option as well.
#6. I was 15 and emotionally, and physically unequipt to have a baby. (One of my physicals basically said I could die in childbirth with my health at the time.)
While there in the clinic, the b***h nurse called the police and I HAD to report the rape. It was very annoying because they kept asking all these detailed questions over and over again and I just couldn't remember. They also thought I wasn't being honest because of how it just rolled off the tongue. I'm SO sorry I wasn't illogical or frantic about the situation. /Sarcasm.
You know. I hold the same feeling toward the situation that day that I do now. Yes, it was terrible. But it's OVER, god damn it. It's in the past. There is NOTHING I can do to change it now. Yes, I can watch out in the future, and learn, but that's it.
So...
On May 23rd of 2007, I had a surgical abortion.
The fetus was a little over 8.5 weeks old.
(Let me just mention that the idea of abortion does not phase me in the slightest. I am and have been a pro-choice activist so I know my facts in and out of the process, development of the fetus at the time, etc.)

The Abortion Itself...
This is actually a quote written in a different guild two hours after the abortion.
Quote:
Ahhh---...... I just got done with it today. Seriously, less than two hours ago.
I was SUPPOSED to take a medical abortion (a simple pill) instead of a surgery, but I was later in the pregnancy than I thought. I thought I was at 7 weeks. I was actually at 8.5... And you can only take the pill abortion up to 8 weeks. No exceptions.. So.. Unfortunately, I had to do the surgical...


My whole day today went like this:
Step One - When I got to Planned Parenthood, they stuck me in a waiting room upstairs with a couch to sleep on, some juice, some food to eat, and with some other teenage girls going to get abortions. It wasn't bad. I just sat there, read magazines, talked with some of the other girls, and got my mind off it. It's the step where you relax before any testing.
Step Two - After about an hour, they called me downstairs and I got an ultrasound done. It was what told me I was actually closer to 9 weeks preggers instead of 7. And that's when I found out I had to do the surgery type. It sucked, but oh well...
Step Three - After I went back upstairs, I started to feel naucious so I tried to lay down and sleep for a bit. After another hour, they called me and one of the other girls I met there down. We each went into seperate rooms and a nurse went through about 15 minutes of explanation of risks of the abortion, what to expect in the next few hours, birth control for the future, pain medication, other medications, allergies, etc.. Not bad, I was pretty calm. So then I went back upstairs.
Step Four - Another hour passed as I tried to sleep, and they called me down for some testing. They had a little tack thing p***k my finger for a blood sample. (But I hate needles so when the nurse pushed it down, I pulled my hand back really fast and hard and the needle-tack-thing ended up slicing a bit of my finger. It's okay now, but they CLEARLY had plenty of blood to sample. xP) Then they did basic exam. Ya' know-- Checking my blood pressure, temperature, etc. They sent me back upstairs with a bunch of juice. (Which was cool cause I was feeling a little sick.)
Step Five - I snagged my couch and a bunch of pillows and quickly fell asleep. Two hours later, they called me down for the actual abortion. ....Gr... Everything was fine the whole first part of the day, but within' the surgery, it hurt. BADLY. Like menstrul cramps x 30. Luckilly, the whole surgery only lasted 15 minutes. I was crying a lot though during the surgery, so the doctor who did it felt really bad... He had such a sad look in his eyes... I'm very sensitive to pain. Most patients take the abortion like shots, as the nurses told me. Not too bad. But for me, I could have started screaming. So right after he finished, the doctor said "Sorry that I hurt you, miss Ali. Bye.." and left. He looked like he was about to cry. Probably because he had kids/grandkids of his own and most patients have more of a pain tolerance. Poor guy..
Step Six - Last step. They took me to a place called the recovery room. They put a heating pad on my tummy and gave me EVEN MORE snacks and juice and soda. They just talked to me and had me calm down. Then gave me a bunch of medicine to use the next few days.
And all was over after that. 3nodding
I'm a little dizzy now, but there's no real pain and little bleeding.

Sorry if that's not really detailed.... xD;;; I just figured the situation would be easier to understand if you heard the basic summery instead of pages and pages worth of text. Like I said, I'm dizzy. And I'm still very sleepy. The reason I tried to sleep so much was because I got a whole hour and a half of sleep last night. (God damned internet and it's keepin' me awake.. >w<) So I'm quite lazy when it comes to writing.
xd

What was annoying were the protesters outside.... ******** pro-lifers..... When walking into the clinic this morning, they were screaming at me and my mom,
"Don't go in there! They can't help you! We can!"
And I thought: No. No, you guys can't help me. How could you? I'm 15, a rape victem, and am in no mental, emotional, even PHYSICAL state to have a baby. I'd probably die in childbirth with my current health.
"Some choices are wrong!"
And I thought: In who's eyes? Yours? You don't matter to me. Your God? I don't believe in your God.
"Everytime you get an abortion, a heart stops beating!"
And I thought: ....Duuuuhhh, no s**t. Assuming the pregnancy wasn't an early pregnancy. At where I'm at right now, the heart isn't even fully developed. Neither is the brain, so the fetus "baby" can't even comprehend the concept of life and death.
"It was your choice to have the sex in the first place!"
....I didn't say anything there. My mother did. She screamed at them back, "There is no choice in rape, you idiotic b***h!" and she flipped off the girl who said it.
Ugh...
There was even some little five year old girl holding a sign of a dead baby with her father. Seriously. And he would call ME and irrisponsible parent??? What good parent makes their child do that???... It was raining today badly and the kid looked cold and confused. She is way too young to even have an opinion on something as serious as abortion yet. That was one of the worst parents I've ever seen in my life...

Luckilly, when I left the clinic, the protesters got too wet and left. ^_^

So yeah. It wasn't as dramatic as people make it out to be. All the talk of immediate depression and guilt after abortions are total bull because I'm quite the chipper person right now. xP
And don't get me wrong-- It's not like abortion was an easy desicion to make. But PP treated me and everybody else there, even guests, very well. I was comfortable, and surprisingly calm, and talking to the other girls my age getting abortions was helpful. It made me feel like I wasn't alone and I believe it made me a bit stronger inside.
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Choice is power. ^_^ So true.


My Current Opinon?
I regret NOTHING. Really, I'm glad I don't have some kid holding me back from my life.

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