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Roxas_Shadow_Clone
Ammunition88
Roxas_Shadow_Clone
He means that he doesn't want to be held accountable for not warning you. God exists. There's enough proof of that if everyone would just take the time to look with an open mind. And the living in the present thing....even if someone doesn't believe in God, surely its clear what that does to people.
thank you roxas lol....oh andelmon...if you don't believe in God then why are you posting in the Jesus freaks hangout? obviously you must think he exists otherwise you wouldn't be here
You're welcome Ammunition. But people who don't believe in God are allowed to be in this guild and post on the boards, are they not? Although I wish some would actually give a reason for why they don't believe that He exists instead of just saying that He doesn't and that what other are talking about doesn't matter.
yes everyone is allowed...but why would anyone join or post in a guild representing a being they don't think exists... they must have some doubts about their beliefs or they wouldn't care
1. I knew what he meant by blood, but I was demonstrating my opinion.
2. There is no proper evidence for the existence of God when you look around. Show me!
3. I´m here to discuss. I want to learn what extremist Christians (yes, you're one of them) think. That's the reason I'm here.
4. I'm 18 and still a virgin, but that's just because I haven't had sex yet.
The Complexity of Life, Moral Values, The Origin/Complexity of the Universe are scientific/logical proof that God exists. So is the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Reliability of the Bible.
I don’t pretend to be an expert on theses subjects. I didn’t even manage to cover the last piece of evidence on the previous list. Actually, a majority of this post is taken (without permission) from books written by Lee Strobel. If he were to ask for the removal of this post, I would have no choice but to do so.
Disclaimer: A majority of this post was taken from Lee Strobel’s “Case” books. I am not attempting to take credit for this, or plagiarize his writing. If Mr. Strobel were to every come across this, I hope not to be sued. What I write will be written in blue.Complexity of Life:
It takes about 100 of the right amino acids lined up in a row to create one protein molecule. And that’s just the first step. Creating one protein molecule doesn’t mean you’ve created life. Now you have to bring together a collection of protein molecules--maybe 200 of them--with just the right functions to et one typical living cell.
“The mathematical odds of assembling a living organism are so astronomical that nobody still believes that random chance accounts for the origin of life,” Dr. Bradley told me.
“Even if you optimized the conditions, it wouldn’t work. If you took all the carbon in the universe and put it on the face of the earth, allowed it to chemically react at the most rapid rate possible, and left it for a billion years, the odds of creating just one functional protein molecule would be one chance in a 10 with 60 zeroes after it.”
Even if Amino acids could have been naturally produced, as the Miller-Urey experiment claimed, there’s no explanation for how they could have become assembled into a living cell by themselves. That’s the real challenge--and one that scientists have been unable to explain. No hypothesis, such as there must be some kind of natural attraction between amino acids has stood up to scrutiny.
That’s why scientists--both Christians and non-Christian--are concluding that the orderliness and complexity of life points not to random chance but to an intelligent design in both the origin and development of live.
Milley-Urey experiment-for the record, these two re-created what they considered to be the atmosphere of the primitive earth (methane, ammonia, hydrogen, and water.) in a laboratory and shot electricity through it to simulate the effects of lightning. While they succeeded in creating amino acids, NASA scientists have shown that primitive earth did not have methane, ammonia, or hydrogen (the components of the Miller-Urey experiment) in any significant amounts. Without those gases the experiment does not work.
Moral Values:
Another piece of evidence pointing toward God is the existence of “objective moral values.” By that, philosophers mean that certain things are right---or wrong--whether or not everyone believes them to be right or wrong.
For example, to say the Holocaust was “objectively wrong” is to say it was wrong even though the Nazis though it was right. And it would still be wrong even if the Nazis had won WWII and succeeded in brainwashing or exterminating everyone who disagreed with them.
So what does this have to do with the existence of God? I would never agree, for instance, that an atheist can’t have moral values or live a basically ethical life. I have friends who don’t believe in God and who as kind and caring as some of the Christians I know.
The question is not, Can atheists have moral values? The question is, Where do objective moral values come from?
If there is no God, Bill Craig, explained, then morality if just a matter of personal taste--something like saying, “Broccoli tastes good.” Well, it tastes good to some people but bad to others. There isn’t any objective truth to that; it’s a subjective opinion. And to say that killing innocent children is wrong would be just an expression of taste, saying, “ I don’t like the killing of innocent children--I find it unpleasant.”
Would it be possible for objective moral values to exist apart from the existence of God? In other word, could there be objective moral values even if God does not exist? You could argue, for instance, that objective moral values are merely the products of evolution--that a moral atrocity such as rape became an atrocity because it does not help the human species and therefore came to be viewed as wrong. Most people would, I think, be uncomfortable with the implications of that argument--what would happen if, for some reason, rape became advantageous for the survival of the species? Would it then become morally right? Our very discomfort with such a though is in itself an argument for some far deeper, more absolute source of objective morality.
The questions is, Do objective moral values really exist? Ask yourself: “Is torturing a child for fun ever morally justifiable?” If you say no, then deep down you hold some objective moral values. You may have your own ideas about why this is so, but one theory that makes sense of the existence of moral values is that they come from God.
The Origin/Complexity of the Universe
Nearly every scientist agrees that the universe had a beginning. The most widely accepted explanation is the “Big Bang” theory or some variation of it. The question is: What made the bang?
If you hear a noise, you look for the cause of that noise, right? So think about it: If there must be a cause for a little bang, then doesn’t it also make sense that there would be a cause for the big bang?
In the past 35 years, scientists have been stunned to discover that the universe is finely tuned to an incomprehensible precision to support life. For many scientists, this points in a very compelling way toward the existence of an Intelligent Designer.
Stephen Hawkings has calculated that if the rate of the universe’s expansion one second after the Big Gang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have collapsed into a fireball.
British physicist P.C.W. Davies has concluded that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for the formation of stars--which are necessary for planets and thus life--is a one followed by at least a thousand billion billion zeroes.
Davies also estimated that if the strength of gravity were changed by only one part in 10
100, life could never have developed. (For comparison, there are only 10
80 atoms in the entire know universe.)
There are about 50 constants and quantities for example, the amount of usable energy int eh unvierse, the difference in mass between protons and neutrons, the proportion of matter to antimatter--that must be balanced to a mathematically infinitesimal degree for any life to be possible.
The Resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Completely impossible if God does not exist, correct? Look at what happened to the disciples: At the time of Jesus’ death they were depressed. Peter denied Jesus three times. The disciples ran away because they were afraid they’d be put to death. They were hiding behind closed doors. John decided he was going back to the family fishing business. But a short time later, these disciples were out boldly proclaiming that Jesus Christ is alive. These once cowardly men were transformed into individuals so certain of what they saw--they the resurrected Jesus--that they were willing to go to their death proclaiming that he is the Son of God who came back from the grave. Not only were they willing to go to their death, almost all of them--10 out of the 11 remaining disciples--were put to death for their faith. Yet none of them gave up their testimony that the resurrection was real and that it authenticated Jesus’ claim that he is God.
People will die for their religious beliefs if they sincerely believe they’re true, but people won’t die for their religious beliefs if they know their beliefs are false.
The disciples were in a position to know without a doubt whether Jesus had risen from the dead. They claimed that they saw him, talked with him, and ate with him. If none of that really happened, then regardless of what they may have told others, the disciples themselves would know that the rapidly spreading belief in Jesus’ resurrection was all a hoax, born of their own untrue statements. Certainly they wouldn’t have let themselves be tortured to death for what they knew to be untrue.