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Saiyan Master Vegeta
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:16 am


@ Rikeen:

It shouldn't, but it is. People don't like to see their favorite characters (non-DBZ ones . . . ones weaker than DBZ characters) be completely outclassed by ones from the DBU. Which is why they get the feeling that DBU characters are way too overpowered . . . which is why they begin to hate many aspects of the show.

After that, to make themselves not seem biased, they make up other excuses for not liking the show. Ones that will divert attention from the fact that they don't like it simply because their favorite characters are no comparison.

From encountering various people that highly dislike the DBU, I've yet to meet a single one that can actually go in-depth, and give me some logical reasons for hating the show other than the traditional 'It just doesn't appeal to me' kind of response.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:50 pm


Saiyan Master Vegeta
Dr Henry Pym
But take that same question to the CD forum and the exact opposite occurs, you can't claim total popularity of a character off of the A/M/C as it is ANIME BIASed to the extream.

Still . . . overall, people generally know Dragonball Z more than Galactus or Thanos. I'm not just referring to the A/M/C.

Unlike other Marvel characters such as Spiderman, The Hulk, Iron Man, the X-Men etc . . . Galactus and Thanos never seemed to be as mainstream. Now don't get me wrong. They were known, but not nearly as much.

Dragonball Z is like the mirror image of the comic mainstreams, except in anime form. Which is why people would generally say that they are way too overpowered, not knowing there are quite a few more characters out there that out-power them.

I disagree there are more Comic Book fans per capita than Anime/Manga fans.

Dr Henry Pym
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Dr Henry Pym
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:55 pm


Saiyan Master Vegeta
Dr Henry Pym
But take that same question to the CD forum and the exact opposite occurs, you can't claim total popularity of a character off of the A/M/C as it is ANIME BIASed to the extream.

Still . . . overall, people generally know Dragonball Z more than Galactus or Thanos. I'm not just referring to the A/M/C.

Unlike other Marvel characters such as Spiderman, The Hulk, Iron Man, the X-Men etc . . . Galactus and Thanos never seemed to be as mainstream. Now don't get me wrong. They were known, but not nearly as much.

Dragonball Z is like the mirror image of the comic mainstreams, except in anime form. Which is why people would generally say that they are way too overpowered, not knowing there are quite a few more characters out there that out-power them.

But Comparing Galactus/Thanos to Spiderman/Hulk etc is like comparing Goku to Garlic Jr. The main stream is not going to know as much about a villian that is used once and a while vs the Hero of a book. I will say this the average comic book fan knows more about thier characters than the Average DBZ fan, the standard jackassery in the A/M/C cements that.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:53 pm


Dr Henry Pym
Saiyan Master Vegeta
Dr Henry Pym
But take that same question to the CD forum and the exact opposite occurs, you can't claim total popularity of a character off of the A/M/C as it is ANIME BIASed to the extream.

Still . . . overall, people generally know Dragonball Z more than Galactus or Thanos. I'm not just referring to the A/M/C.

Unlike other Marvel characters such as Spiderman, The Hulk, Iron Man, the X-Men etc . . . Galactus and Thanos never seemed to be as mainstream. Now don't get me wrong. They were known, but not nearly as much.

Dragonball Z is like the mirror image of the comic mainstreams, except in anime form. Which is why people would generally say that they are way too overpowered, not knowing there are quite a few more characters out there that out-power them.

I disagree there are more Comic Book fans per capita than Anime/Manga fans.

I didn't say comic books in general . . . what I did say, was that people generally know Dragonball Z more than Galactus or Thanos.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
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Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:05 pm


Dr Henry Pym
Saiyan Master Vegeta
Dr Henry Pym
But take that same question to the CD forum and the exact opposite occurs, you can't claim total popularity of a character off of the A/M/C as it is ANIME BIASed to the extream.

Still . . . overall, people generally know Dragonball Z more than Galactus or Thanos. I'm not just referring to the A/M/C.

Unlike other Marvel characters such as Spiderman, The Hulk, Iron Man, the X-Men etc . . . Galactus and Thanos never seemed to be as mainstream. Now don't get me wrong. They were known, but not nearly as much.

Dragonball Z is like the mirror image of the comic mainstreams, except in anime form. Which is why people would generally say that they are way too overpowered, not knowing there are quite a few more characters out there that out-power them.

But Comparing Galactus/Thanos to Spiderman/Hulk etc is like comparing Goku to Garlic Jr. The main stream is not going to know as much about a villian that is used once and a while vs the Hero of a book. I will say this the average comic book fan knows more about thier characters than the Average DBZ fan, the standard jackassery in the A/M/C cements that.

Pym, this wasn't a matter of who knows which characters more in-depth.
It was about people hating DBU characters for being over-powered.

Yes, I know Galactus and Thanos didn't get as much attention. But that's besides the point.

Hell, mainstream characters such as Superman and Silver Surfer are mainstream. People know characters such as those very well. Yet Dragonball Z is conveniently the target for blaming characters to be overpowered, when with a few minutes of research, they could find quite a few characters that out-power them.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:04 am


Saiyan Master Vegeta
Dr Henry Pym
Saiyan Master Vegeta
Dr Henry Pym
But take that same question to the CD forum and the exact opposite occurs, you can't claim total popularity of a character off of the A/M/C as it is ANIME BIASed to the extream.

Still . . . overall, people generally know Dragonball Z more than Galactus or Thanos. I'm not just referring to the A/M/C.

Unlike other Marvel characters such as Spiderman, The Hulk, Iron Man, the X-Men etc . . . Galactus and Thanos never seemed to be as mainstream. Now don't get me wrong. They were known, but not nearly as much.

Dragonball Z is like the mirror image of the comic mainstreams, except in anime form. Which is why people would generally say that they are way too overpowered, not knowing there are quite a few more characters out there that out-power them.

But Comparing Galactus/Thanos to Spiderman/Hulk etc is like comparing Goku to Garlic Jr. The main stream is not going to know as much about a villian that is used once and a while vs the Hero of a book. I will say this the average comic book fan knows more about thier characters than the Average DBZ fan, the standard jackassery in the A/M/C cements that.

Pym, this wasn't a matter of who knows which characters more in-depth.
It was about people hating DBU characters for being over-powered.

Yes, I know Galactus and Thanos didn't get as much attention. But that's besides the point.

Hell, mainstream characters such as Superman and Silver Surfer are mainstream. People know characters such as those very well. Yet Dragonball Z is conveniently the target for blaming characters to be overpowered, when with a few minutes of research, they could find quite a few characters that out-power them.

Superman to a degree gets the same treatment, it is not as bad as you make it out to be. My opinion on the matter may not be mainstream but they fit the Universe they were intended to be in, but if you put them elsewhere hell yeah they are going to be overpowered. Hell even weak characters in DBZ can get knock at least a foot into solid rock (Mr Satan) and live. By Marvel Standards Satan would be in between Daredevil and Spiderman in total Power and would be able to hold his own easily in that universe as well. Roshi would be considered a full on Super-Being who has the ability to blow up the moon with an energy blast of immense power, not to mention the ability to take an obsene amount of damage as well. Not to mention Tein, Yamcha, and Krillan (yikes!) Those three would make a decent Super Team in Marvel, probably DC as well. The main problem is DBZ characters wanting to give the characters more power than they deserve. ie destroying whole Solar Systems, Galaxcies etc. The bad eggs spoil the bunch. DBZ is a good target for the "over-powered" arguement because by default they blow most other Anime Characters out of the water. Is it right? No they fit thier world.

Dr Henry Pym
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Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:58 am


People disliking Dragonball Z for the simple fact that other anime characters don't compare is a lost argument. They have no basis other than a grudge which serves no purpose.

Also . . .

Dr Henry Pym
The main problem is DBZ characters wanting to give the characters more power than they deserve. ie destroying whole Solar Systems, Galaxcies etc.


What exactly do you mean by that?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:13 am


This thread is to try and bring light to the problem, not fuel the fire.
And Pym, we both know you are an intelligent person.
And probably an honest one.
Can you really say that DC beings are weaker than DBU beings?

rikeen90


Kamikazek-Z

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:09 am


Mr. Stan isn't exactly weak, he's the second strongest normal human next to Videl(Roshi and up don't count as "normal" humans in my book) and the worlds martial arts champion. He just seems weak because he's outclassed by so manny characters in his own universe. And he's nowhere near Spiderman in terms of raw power. Durability mabey, but not power.

What's this about not destroying solar sytems? Galixys I admit is completely rediculous...

And some DC beins are weaker than DBZ beings, some aren't also depends on what DBZ being you're talking about....
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:49 pm


@ Kami:

Solar System level: In theory, Perfect Cell and stronger, due to the fact that everything supports him being able to pull it off except him actually doing it. Reason being, Gohan's Kamehameha beat his, and Gohan let his fade away.

Galaxy level: (Non-Canon) - Broly and stronger. At the beginning of Movie #8, we see the entire South Galaxy be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

Universe level: Majin Buu only, nobody else. Though there are fighters that exceed Buu's power, it was due to his unique vibrational energies which threatened to break down dimensional barriers, thus causing universal destruction. Supreme Kai noted on this. Buu's progress, however, was stopped before any significant damage could be done.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain


Dr Henry Pym
Captain

Dangerous Genius

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:45 am


Saiyan Master Vegeta
People disliking Dragonball Z for the simple fact that other anime characters don't compare is a lost argument. They have no basis other than a grudge which serves no purpose.

Also . . .

Dr Henry Pym
The main problem is DBZ characters wanting to give the characters more power than they deserve. ie destroying whole Solar Systems, Galaxcies etc.


What exactly do you mean by that?

Present company excluded, but a lot of the time I see these arguements I have noticed a trend of over powering the DBZ characters. What this does is take the ones that know what they are talking about (Looks at you) and makes them look bad. The main reason for this, easy most of the Comic Fans are older. Anime/Manga has a larger younger audience, that does not mean older people don't like Anime/Manga (Points at me) it just means they are for the most part younger. Also many comic fans are fans of Manga/Anime the pendulem unfortunately does not swing the other way. A large portion of Anime/Manga fans despise comics.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:49 am


rikeen90
This thread is to try and bring light to the problem, not fuel the fire.
And Pym, we both know you are an intelligent person.
And probably an honest one.
Can you really say that DC beings are weaker than DBU beings?

Actually if you would read my posts I claim they fit in to both universes in Power and the Sayians can out class most of the Marvel Characters with the exception of a select few. DC Universe is where they would fit in the easiest. Thier Powers do not over match many of the big guns, aka Superman, Wonderwoman, Green Lantern etc.

Dr Henry Pym
Captain

Dangerous Genius


Dr Henry Pym
Captain

Dangerous Genius

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:51 am


Kamikazek-Z
Mr. Stan isn't exactly weak, he's the second strongest normal human next to Videl(Roshi and up don't count as "normal" humans in my book) and the worlds martial arts champion. He just seems weak because he's outclassed by so manny characters in his own universe. And he's nowhere near Spiderman in terms of raw power. Durability mabey, but not power.

What's this about not destroying solar sytems? Galixys I admit is completely rediculous...

And some DC beins are weaker than DBZ beings, some aren't also depends on what DBZ being you're talking about....


That is why I said Satan was inbetween Daredevil and Spiderman it is a fair placement.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:01 am


Saiyan Master Vegeta
@ Kami:

Solar System level: In theory, Perfect Cell and stronger, due to the fact that everything supports him being able to pull it off except him actually doing it. Reason being, Gohan's Kamehameha beat his, and Gohan let his fade away.

Galaxy level: (Non-Canon) - Broly and stronger. At the beginning of Movie #8, we see the entire South Galaxy be wiped out in a matter of seconds.

Universe level: Majin Buu only, nobody else. Though there are fighters that exceed Buu's power, it was due to his unique vibrational energies which threatened to break down dimensional barriers, thus causing universal destruction. Supreme Kai noted on this. Buu's progress, however, was stopped before any significant damage could be done.

The problem is all you get is Cell saying he can, in the end he blew up a Planet and that was the biggest attack you see from Cell. Buu who was much stronger than Cell still blew up singular Planets. Which shows that by actions Cell = Planet Busting not Solar System. It is not shown that Cell had the power or he would have used it. Same with Kidd (Chibi) Buu. Over time yes BUU could have disrupted the Universe but it is not an attack it was just him being around. Still the feats shown is he destroys one planet at a time.

The Broly Movies were so full of plot holes you could drive a truck through them. He can wipe out a Galaxcy but gets he a** handed to him twice with the same freaken Gut Punch. Anti-Climactic in my opinion the worst three Movies in the entire set of them. The problem is the tried to do a season's worth of material in a 50 minute movie. It just did not go over well.

Dr Henry Pym
Captain

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Dr Henry Pym
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Dangerous Genius

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:07 am


I have witnessed more hate vs Comic characters than DBZ characters. Hell almost every thread you see in the Goku VS Superman arguements you hear the same thing that is being done to the DBZ characters being done to Superman. You've read the threads, it is the truth. It is not just DBZ that gets that treatment, which puts them in the same class as Superman in that respect they both get called out for "Being too Powerful" or "God-Moded" Characters.
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