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 Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:47 pm
StrawberrieIceCream Jhay-R Gomen, Pasnesia, Sorry, Lady SIC-ness... I may have broken a rule and not known about it, heh. You know, I have seen many of your ideas, concepts, and discussions when it comes to FF7 and couplings. If it is not much to ask, what are your thoughts on AeriSeph? Think it's possible, and which of the 4 AeriSeph ideas I posted do you think is the most plausible?
As for AeriSeph, I usually don't think about it that often, to be honest. Since playing Final Fantasy VII, I was more concerned with Vincent. I would usually look for Vincent-centric material as opposed to, say, Tifa-centric material. However, as with ANY pairing out there in the world (even the squickiest, most mind-boggling pairing you can imagine), I can see it happen, tolerate it, and even fall in love with it, so long as I see it presented in a decent enough manner. For example, while surfing FF.Net over the years, I tended to stay the hell away from Cleris and Cloti fics, since a lot of them were terrible, out of character, and just BAD. Same goes with some of those yaoi fics with SephirothxCloud pairings. It was the few gems of fiction out there that made me like a pairing.
As for which of the four you mentioned I find most plausible, it would be alternate universe. Eventually, Sephiroth's spirit will break down and join the Planet like all the other ones, as Bugenhagen mentioned in his study at Cosmo Canyon. Granted, it could be over a hundred years before it happens, but the same should also happen to Aerith as well (because even though she is a Cetra, she is still a lifeform that lived on the planet, like any other). Where as game canon (especially with what's been translated about Sephiroth, Jenova, and who was really in control thoughout the game from Ultimania Omega) really sets the two apart, alternate universes allow the two characters to meet in completely different circumstances, while they may retain their own personalities and sense of self. Before Sephiroth went on his killing rampage, he was a very respectable, professional, and intelligent general of the Shinra Corporation's military division. He came off to me as the overly serious type, who didn't really go out and 'have fun' like most young people around his age.
Aerith, on the other hand, is bright, friendly, and outgoing. Where as Sephiroth might enjoy a day in the library reading up on military tactics, she would be the type to get out there and enjoy life for what it is. Going to the park, taking a walk, and hanging out with friends.
In an alternate universe setting, you can take these traits of theirs, and find that they can compliment one another very well in a relationship. Aerith might look upon him with curious fascination, while Sephiroth would look upon her as just one of those 'popular/outgoing' people that everybody loves or wants to be. However, as they get to know one another better, they could see more of the little things that nobody seems to notice. Aerith would see that Sephiroth has his likes and dislikes, and Sephiroth would see that Aerith is not as perfect or happy as she seems. There is so much that you can do with both characters WHILE keeping them in character that makes this pairing so fun in an AU setting. Sephiroth doesn't even have to be in the military, nor does Aerith have to be a florist to make it work out.
I'll have to read up on a really good fic or two on the pairing before I can really like it. However, what's nice about the pairing (especially since I rarely read anything, if anything at all, on it) is that it makes me want to write about it, and I'm terrible at writing stories. It something can inspire me like that, then I can really appreciate it.
However, the thought of Aerith working against Avalanche to be with Sephiroth (it doesn't have to be romantic) is very interesting. She's not evil by nature, but that doesn't mean the idea isn't appealing. xd
Hnn... Any really good fic recommendations? I noticed that there were some links on the first page of the thread, which I'll probably check out later.^ That's a great picture, and oddly enough, my VERY FIRST AeriSeph picture. It looks like what would happen if two of the most powerful people in the world of Final Fantasy 7 teamed up. The last cetra, and the one winged angel have the power to bring the world to its knees, and have everyone bow before them... Interesting really... As for good stories, I gotta say these two. AU Fanfiction: Appointment with Destiny by T'Shael It starts out with Aeris not even being apart of the FF7 world, but she soon finds herself transporting from Earth to The Planet when Sephiroth kidnaps her and makes her his wife. It's much more interesting than I can make it sound, and is a must read for any fan of AeriSeph. One of the very best fanfics I have ever had the chance of reading, even though I haven't had the joy of finishing it... *sigh* My eyes hurt reading fanfics for hours on end... Not So Different by Yinza Somewhat of an AU. It explores what would have happened had Aeris and Sephiroth befriended each other BEFORE he found out about his past. Despite only being a flower girl trying to live off of what she can, she somehow befriends the great and powerful general of Midgar. THIS I have had the chance of finishing. It'll make you sigh happiness, it'll bring tears to your eyes, and it'll make you want to read it again, and again, and again... Man, I had to wait 1 1/2 years, even after the the story was a good 15 chapters in, but it was so good, I couldn't help but check it over and over again until Yinza finished it. Great story....
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:48 pm
Yeah... I dunno... for one of the best fanfics that doesn't go AU.. i'd go with break me... because it's closer to the game's storyline... it still deviates. but in a believable way.
Also, thanks Strawberry.. for steping in to make sure people were keeping the intent and spirit of this thread on track. There are a million pairing threads in this guild where you can debate/flame/hate on... I mean. people are welcoem to read through here if they are curious and want to see why we like it. But, if they aren't even here to find some middle ground or support our enjoyment of this... Well.. let's just not encourage off topic'ing.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:47 pm
StrawberrieIceCream RanmaxHikaru First of all I know you weren’t flaming me, Second I'm allowed to hate Aeris, Lucrecia, and Hojo if I want to, it's my opinion and I have a right to it. And since people just can't leave well enough alone I will explain why I hate each of these characters. Hojo: Do I really need an explanation? Lucrecia: Yeah I understand that she was guilty over Vincents father but that doesn’t excuse the fact that even though she supposedly loved Vincent she went and had sex with Hojo and even let him experiment on her own child. ******** dumb a**. Aeris: I hate her most of all. She's so Mary Sue that it makes me want to puke up a lung. Always hanging on Cloud even when she know that Tifa truly loves him. She has the audacity to call herself Tifa's friend when she's shamelessly flirting and flaunting herself to the one man she knows Tifa's in love with. What kind of friend dose that? And I like the AeriSeph paring because they look good together and it seems to make more since now that both of them are in the life stream together. They can both confide and confer each other and eventually I think Seproth would come out of his shell. Just think he wasn't always evil not to mention that Aeris is the ultimate good and Sepheiroth is the ultimate evil. For some reason it just makes sense to me. Now that that's settled I don't want to see any rebuttals or flames on my thoughts because nothing anyone says is going to change my mind not to mention that this is not a thread on "Why RanmaxHikaru hate's cretin FF7 Characters" This is an AeriSeph thread and I would like to get back on topic.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with your dislike for a character. However, keep the character bashing to yourself, please. Nobody here really cares if you like or dislike a character. You're entitled to your opinion, but not to shove it in everybody's face. If you want to hate Aerith, Lucrecia, and Hojo for whatever reason you have, then that's perfectly fine. However, do NOT go posting about this in a thread that barely concerns them. This thread is about the SephirothxAerith pairing, not how much Aerith sucks because she's a Mary Sue or whatnot.
This also applies to your views on pairings. We have a thread for that already, and if you hate a pairing (like the CloudxAerith pairing), then do not talk about it here. In this thread, Cleris does not exist as the pairing of choice.
That, and if you could refrain from swearing like that in the future, then that would also be fantastic. Cursing is acceptable in some situations, but this is not one of them. It fails to make your argument about characters and pairings to be taken seriously.
This is an official warning. I have warned you before in another pairing thread, and the next time this happens, you may not get off with just a simple warning.
As a note, this warning applies to EVERYBODY ELSE as well. If you can't stand the SephirothxAerith pairing, or do not like it, then do not bother posting here. It's rude to the people who like the pairing, since this is supposed to be their place to discuss it without any flames or close-minded criticism from other members. Pink.Spider, there's nothing wrong with disliking the pairing, but if you're going to argue against it, do it elsewhere, since this thread was stated in the first post to be for people who HAVE accepted or can tolerate the pairing. It would also be better if you looked a little more deeply into the differences of the characters, as Seymour and Sephiroth are very, VERY different people. That, and adding in that bit about Kenshin and Kaoru was totally unnecessary.
Does everybody understsand now? neutral If I have to lock this thread and other pairing threads or even ban members because the concept of being polite to others and respecting others points is so foreign to them, then I most certainly WILL.
Signed,
StrawberrieIceCream, ModWhy am I getting a warning it's not like I wanted to explain why I hate Aeris or the others but people just wouldn’t leave well enough alone and kept asking me why why why, so I explained it so I wouldn't have other people asking me the same “why” question. Also I'm not throwing Aeris hate in anyone’s face. If someone likes her that’s fine I was merely pointing out where I stand as far as talking about CloudxAeris (the popular couple) vs AerisxSephy (the not so popular couple). And if you didn't notes I wasn’t really off topic because I did talk about Aeris and Seproth in my third paragraph not to mention that I also stated in the end that I didn’t want to talk about my character hate anymore and that I wanted to get back on topic anyway. As far as the Aeris and Seproth couple is concerned why is it that most people can only see them together in AU fanfics? I think they could still get together now in the life stream. Yes I know Seproth is still evil even after two years of being in the life stream, but I still think that if Aeris worked really hard to be there for him he could eventually go back to being the man he once was before Jinova. But then Again I don’t think Zack would be to thrilled about that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:44 am
OK, I don't mean to be offensive. I don't mean to sound harsh. Though I fear I most likely will. I havn't read most of this thread, so I probally will cover topics already posted. I did how ever read the opening. I fear that there is a general misconception amongst those people who beleive in the Aeris x Sephiroth... Whatever you wanna call it. Sure there was subtext in the game, plenty of it. In many cases people hit it dead on. There is how ever one major flaw in all possible reasoning behind any of these. A simple book written by the creators of Final Fantasy 7, and offical by Square Enix. Final Fantasy VII Ultimania ΩTHIS book, answeres all unanswered questions and loop holes in Final Fantasy 7. Why this why that, and even tackles major questions like why wasn't vincent and yuffie in the final movie? (answer: They were saving people in midgar) In this book, you find that they answer a few things about who lieks who. I wont go into detail. Though if you really want to know who Aeris loved then read Maiden Who Travels the Planet. To see proof of what I speak of fallow this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeris_Gainsborough#Maiden_who_Travels_the_Planet On this page you will find the information about the book. I'll tell you right now. Aeris loved Zack, Aeris loved Cloud because he reminded her of Zack but after she died and after he learned who he really was she loved him for who he really was. She never loved Sephiroth. Let me quote an entire section of the page on Wikipedia tackling all the romantic issues involving her. Quote: Romantic IssuesThe subject of Aerith's love life is in great debate among those who play Final Fantasy VII. Prior to the events at Nibelheim, Aerith was apparently romantically involved with Zack, although she claims it wasn't serious, and comments that he probably just found somebody else. At this point, it has been at least five years since she heard from him. Zack, for his part, only mentions Aerith in passing, never actually saying her name; he merely comments that he has "a place" he can go in Midgar.[12] During the course of the game, it is mentioned that one of the Turks, Tseng, was interested in Aerith. When the playable party enters Gongaga for the first time, Reno and Rude are seen talking about who they like. While Rude admits that he likes Tifa, Reno mentions that Tseng likes "that Ancient," meaning Aerith. After Aerith and Cloud meet during the game, she appears to be very flirtatious with him. Among the fandom, it is often said that she was only attracted to Cloud because of Zack, as she directly mentions that it bothered her how much they were alike and that she thought she was seeing Zack's personality in Cloud.[13] In Benny Matsuyama's novel Maiden Who Travels The Planet, it has been revealed that she loved Cloud more than Zack and thought that she loved him for who he truly was, as said early in the novella[14]: "At first, she thought he somehow had some similarities to her first love. Even so, his looks, voice and personality weren't similar, and he also made her think of him as a mysterious person... But it soon didn't matter. She loved him much more than her first love." Later in the work, it is revealed that most of what she saw in Cloud had actually been emulated from Zack[15]: "But she couldn't figure out the truth. Her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith delved into her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud's individuality. The way he walked. She remembered all his actions one by one... Most of those thoughts merged into the Sea of Mako and awakened a character. The character recognized the image she recalled and "he" woke up." Aerith doesn't learn who Cloud really is until some time later when Tifa helps Cloud reconstruct his memories. It is then that she knows him for who he truly is. Further, despite not having known the real him before, she continues to love him once he's regained his memories and she's come to know him for who he really is. [16]: "She was happy. She was happy that she now knew the real Cloud and was able to watch over him, even though it was just for a short while." AS you can see. Sephiroth is not even mentioned as a possible love connection. As well in the books. The creators of the game did not intend on it. No offesne to you people who beleive it true, but your just like those people who think every main hero of every anime thats a man is gay, becasue thats what your into. You may be looking at facts, but your not looking at ALL the facts all the information and all that data collectable on the web, literature, and through the creators. You just want what you like and find reasoning in to be right. ..... My appologies if I made anyone angery.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:34 am
Zathina_Mage OK, I don't mean to be offensive. I don't mean to sound harsh. Though I fear I most likely will. I havn't read most of this thread, so I probally will cover topics already posted. I did how ever read the opening. I fear that there is a general misconception amongst those people who beleive in the Aeris x Sephiroth... Whatever you wanna call it. Sure there was subtext in the game, plenty of it. In many cases people hit it dead on. There is how ever one major flaw in all possible reasoning behind any of these. A simple book written by the creators of Final Fantasy 7, and offical by Square Enix. Final Fantasy VII Ultimania ΩTHIS book, answeres all unanswered questions and loop holes in Final Fantasy 7. Why this why that, and even tackles major questions like why wasn't vincent and yuffie in the final movie? (answer: They were saving people in midgar) In this book, you find that they answer a few things about who lieks who. I wont go into detail. Though if you really want to know who Aeris loved then read Maiden Who Travels the Planet. To see proof of what I speak of fallow this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeris_Gainsborough#Maiden_who_Travels_the_Planet On this page you will find the information about the book. I'll tell you right now. Aeris loved Zack, Aeris loved Cloud because he reminded her of Zack but after she died and after he learned who he really was she loved him for who he really was. She never loved Sephiroth. Let me quote an entire section of the page on Wikipedia tackling all the romantic issues involving her. Quote: Romantic IssuesThe subject of Aerith's love life is in great debate among those who play Final Fantasy VII. Prior to the events at Nibelheim, Aerith was apparently romantically involved with Zack, although she claims it wasn't serious, and comments that he probably just found somebody else. At this point, it has been at least five years since she heard from him. Zack, for his part, only mentions Aerith in passing, never actually saying her name; he merely comments that he has "a place" he can go in Midgar.[12] During the course of the game, it is mentioned that one of the Turks, Tseng, was interested in Aerith. When the playable party enters Gongaga for the first time, Reno and Rude are seen talking about who they like. While Rude admits that he likes Tifa, Reno mentions that Tseng likes "that Ancient," meaning Aerith. After Aerith and Cloud meet during the game, she appears to be very flirtatious with him. Among the fandom, it is often said that she was only attracted to Cloud because of Zack, as she directly mentions that it bothered her how much they were alike and that she thought she was seeing Zack's personality in Cloud.[13] In Benny Matsuyama's novel Maiden Who Travels The Planet, it has been revealed that she loved Cloud more than Zack and thought that she loved him for who he truly was, as said early in the novella[14]: "At first, she thought he somehow had some similarities to her first love. Even so, his looks, voice and personality weren't similar, and he also made her think of him as a mysterious person... But it soon didn't matter. She loved him much more than her first love." Later in the work, it is revealed that most of what she saw in Cloud had actually been emulated from Zack[15]: "But she couldn't figure out the truth. Her thoughts just went in circles. Aerith delved into her memories again. Memories that showed Cloud's individuality. The way he walked. She remembered all his actions one by one... Most of those thoughts merged into the Sea of Mako and awakened a character. The character recognized the image she recalled and "he" woke up." Aerith doesn't learn who Cloud really is until some time later when Tifa helps Cloud reconstruct his memories. It is then that she knows him for who he truly is. Further, despite not having known the real him before, she continues to love him once he's regained his memories and she's come to know him for who he really is. [16]: "She was happy. She was happy that she now knew the real Cloud and was able to watch over him, even though it was just for a short while." AS you can see. Sephiroth is not even mentioned as a possible love connection. As well in the books. The creators of the game did not intend on it. No offesne to you people who beleive it true, but your just like those people who think every main hero of every anime thats a man is gay, becasue thats what your into. You may be looking at facts, but your not looking at ALL the facts all the information and all that data collectable on the web, literature, and through the creators. You just want what you like and find reasoning in to be right. ..... My appologies if I made anyone angery. No offense taken, Mage-Man. In fact, I'm smiling, really impressed with your take on this subject... Heheheh But see, not all things you take in and believe have to be intended by the creators. See, the creators didn't Intend for Tifa to be hated for her breast size, but she is. The creators didn't Intend Aeris to be hated for being "a mary-sue." Yuffie was supposed to be somewhat annoying, but the creators didn't Intend for them to hate her to such a degree as wanting to kill her. See, a lot of stuff that isn't intended actually happens in real life. The look of AeriSeph is truly an open-minded coupling, seeing as even the creators themselves cannot see it. You just have to see beyond what is there and see what could have been. Sorta like the Red/Yuffie coupling, what would had happened had Red been human.... But some people still support it even if he was a dog which scares the hell outta me... Anyway, dude, even though this thing is supposed to be for AeriSeph only... I at least respect you didn't come in here and flame us. You actually did your research and tried to explain it through information. I'm impressed, truly, truly... Just try to see why we like it, aight? And as I expected, nobody scrolled down the first page and saw the giant blue pages I call AeriSeph ranting...
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:39 am
RanmaxHikaru StrawberrieIceCream RanmaxHikaru First of all I know you weren’t flaming me, Second I'm allowed to hate Aeris, Lucrecia, and Hojo if I want to, it's my opinion and I have a right to it. And since people just can't leave well enough alone I will explain why I hate each of these characters. Hojo: Do I really need an explanation? Lucrecia: Yeah I understand that she was guilty over Vincents father but that doesn’t excuse the fact that even though she supposedly loved Vincent she went and had sex with Hojo and even let him experiment on her own child. ******** dumb a**. Aeris: I hate her most of all. She's so Mary Sue that it makes me want to puke up a lung. Always hanging on Cloud even when she know that Tifa truly loves him. She has the audacity to call herself Tifa's friend when she's shamelessly flirting and flaunting herself to the one man she knows Tifa's in love with. What kind of friend dose that? And I like the AeriSeph paring because they look good together and it seems to make more since now that both of them are in the life stream together. They can both confide and confer each other and eventually I think Seproth would come out of his shell. Just think he wasn't always evil not to mention that Aeris is the ultimate good and Sepheiroth is the ultimate evil. For some reason it just makes sense to me. Now that that's settled I don't want to see any rebuttals or flames on my thoughts because nothing anyone says is going to change my mind not to mention that this is not a thread on "Why RanmaxHikaru hate's cretin FF7 Characters" This is an AeriSeph thread and I would like to get back on topic.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with your dislike for a character. However, keep the character bashing to yourself, please. Nobody here really cares if you like or dislike a character. You're entitled to your opinion, but not to shove it in everybody's face. If you want to hate Aerith, Lucrecia, and Hojo for whatever reason you have, then that's perfectly fine. However, do NOT go posting about this in a thread that barely concerns them. This thread is about the SephirothxAerith pairing, not how much Aerith sucks because she's a Mary Sue or whatnot.
This also applies to your views on pairings. We have a thread for that already, and if you hate a pairing (like the CloudxAerith pairing), then do not talk about it here. In this thread, Cleris does not exist as the pairing of choice.
That, and if you could refrain from swearing like that in the future, then that would also be fantastic. Cursing is acceptable in some situations, but this is not one of them. It fails to make your argument about characters and pairings to be taken seriously.
This is an official warning. I have warned you before in another pairing thread, and the next time this happens, you may not get off with just a simple warning.
As a note, this warning applies to EVERYBODY ELSE as well. If you can't stand the SephirothxAerith pairing, or do not like it, then do not bother posting here. It's rude to the people who like the pairing, since this is supposed to be their place to discuss it without any flames or close-minded criticism from other members. Pink.Spider, there's nothing wrong with disliking the pairing, but if you're going to argue against it, do it elsewhere, since this thread was stated in the first post to be for people who HAVE accepted or can tolerate the pairing. It would also be better if you looked a little more deeply into the differences of the characters, as Seymour and Sephiroth are very, VERY different people. That, and adding in that bit about Kenshin and Kaoru was totally unnecessary.
Does everybody understsand now? neutral If I have to lock this thread and other pairing threads or even ban members because the concept of being polite to others and respecting others points is so foreign to them, then I most certainly WILL.
Signed,
StrawberrieIceCream, ModWhy am I getting a warning it's not like I wanted to explain why I hate Aeris or the others but people just wouldn’t leave well enough alone and kept asking me why why why, so I explained it so I wouldn't have other people asking me the same “why” question. Also I'm not throwing Aeris hate in anyone’s face. If someone likes her that’s fine I was merely pointing out where I stand as far as talking about CloudxAeris (the popular couple) vs AerisxSephy (the not so popular couple). And if you didn't notes I wasn’t really off topic because I did talk about Aeris and Seproth in my third paragraph not to mention that I also stated in the end that I didn’t want to talk about my character hate anymore and that I wanted to get back on topic anyway. As far as the Aeris and Seproth couple is concerned why is it that most people can only see them together in AU fanfics? I think they could still get together now in the life stream. Yes I know Seproth is still evil even after two years of being in the life stream, but I still think that if Aeris worked really hard to be there for him he could eventually go back to being the man he once was before Jinova. But then Again I don’t think Zack would be to thrilled about that. I can see them beyond AU... And as for the Zack dealy, Graceangel had already covered that. When they were both in the LifeStream, Aeris saw that Zack was really just a playboy. The kind of guy who'd have a girl in his bed with him every day of the week or something like that... So, she probably didn't want to be with him anymore, seeing that she didn't want to be "just another knotch in his belt" or something, as Grace put it. That way, Aeris would be able to be with Sephiroth before and even after she is in the lifestream
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:53 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:56 am
Although I may prefer AU, I can see them in other settings, so long as they retain their sense of self, and don't have their personalities butchered. It hurts a lot to see what some fangirls have done to Sephiroth just so that he can 'love' somebody, usually a made up character. confused I'll have to read up on some of the fics later tonight, after I get back from work. So long as the author can make it work, I'm quite open minded to the idea.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:51 pm
First of all Mizz Kisaragi I love your CloudxYuffie sig heart Second Yes I could totally see Sephiroth and Aeris getting together in the life stream. However Aeris would probably have to make the first move by at least talking to him. Then it would probably take a really long time before her kindness could finally get through to him. I think that Sephiroth could go back to being the good guy he once was with Aeris’s help.
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:44 pm
I can see Sephiroth and Aeris together. I actually see Cloud with Tifa more the Aeris when I think about it. That and I LOVE trying to find good 'out of the box' couples. And if I can't find a good 'out of the box' couple I try changing circumstances, and stuff like that for the existing couples. blaugh
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:02 pm
Left alone to think, I thought about AerixSeph. Here are some possible ideas that came to mind, mostly on the subject of Seph killed Aeris:
The whole "Sephiroth killed Aeris" situation, I can actually find it quite romantic. He killed her not out of fear of her summoning Holy, but to protect her from suffering and pain. Of course this is flawed on his part because she would emotionally suffer, the pain of seeing her friends and beloved planet eventually reduced to ruins.
One possible in-game hinting; Sephiroth knew about the Lifestream theory (or was it proven fact?) and he knew that if a life passed, they would forever be apart of the Lifestream. Sephiroth plans merge with the Lifestream itself. Put two and two together, and you have Sephiroth killing Aeris with the intent of the two being united forever.
This one's a bit twisted; assume they had met before. Sephiroth turned out to be a jealous-type. He killed her on the basis of "If I can't have her, then no one will." OR the same situations stated above. Aeris became close to Zack; Sephiroth inadvertantly seriously injured Zack. Aeris became close to Cloud; he kills her and tortures Cloud ever since.
Does any of this make sense? sweatdrop It was a late night rant with myself.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:15 pm
schzoid_baka Left alone to think, I thought about AerixSeph. Here are some possible ideas that came to mind, mostly on the subject of Seph killed Aeris: The whole "Sephiroth killed Aeris" situation, I can actually find it quite romantic. He killed her not out of fear of her summoning Holy, but to protect her from suffering and pain. Of course this is flawed on his part because she would emotionally suffer, the pain of seeing her friends and beloved planet eventually reduced to ruins. One possible in-game hinting; Sephiroth knew about the Lifestream theory (or was it proven fact?) and he knew that if a life passed, they would forever be apart of the Lifestream. Sephiroth plans merge with the Lifestream itself. Put two and two together, and you have Sephiroth killing Aeris with the intent of the two being united forever. This one's a bit twisted; assume they had met before. Sephiroth turned out to be a jealous-type. He killed her on the basis of "If I can't have her, then no one will." OR the same situations stated above. Aeris became close to Zack; Sephiroth inadvertantly seriously injured Zack. Aeris became close to Cloud; he kills her and tortures Cloud ever since. Does any of this make sense? sweatdrop It was a late night rant with myself. More or less so, it does make sense... And I'm not saying that out of delirium because it's 93 degrees out.... It makes sense... He kills her because she would rather have her die quickly than to have her suffer. Though, he could have just made her evil and have her by his side instead, but something from him, that doesn't seem far from him, seeing as he went mental and all. The whole, killing her so that they can merge into one... That reminds me of this show I saw. Two kids didn't want the stresses of life, and would rather die and go to heaven or hell together instead. It's both romantic, and twisted, but romantic none the less.... So, I can really see it, heh, cool. Saw something I didn't.... Though with my mental capacity it isn't that surprising anymore
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:23 am
ah gomen`
when I said that this pairing was like seymour and yuna
thats just what it reminded me of
I really didnt look into the pairing, I just thought of what first came to mind
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well it could and I wouldn't mind because I do love aerith
but you cant just 'fall in love'
it takes time and I mean you dont always fall in love
even if you're with someone with eternity
Im sure that Aerith will come to love Sephiroth
and visa versa
but maybe not in the romantic sense
because not all love is the same
and I think that he will love her,because with Aerith, Sepiroth could find a real 'mother'
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but overall I dont mid the pairing just dont like it as much
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:28 am
Hey peeps.. let's try to avoid quote nesting... if what you're quoting has like.. three or four... at least take out the first one or two, ok? Because noone needs to reread the same post three times on one page. That kind of stuff makes me throw things at the wall. quote nests and page stretching..
to schzoid baka, wow. Those are interesting points. And, people would say, why would you kill someone if you love them? but, consider that Sephiroth has gone off the deep end and is no longer thinking/processing in a normal frame of mind. hence, he wouldn't do something that makes sense.. which in the end makes sense in a bigger picture sort of way.
And, I find it extremely plausible he knew of her. You mean all the time he spent living in Midgar as a general and being tested on by Hojo..a nd all the time aeris spent in the shinra labs... adn working on the plate selling flowers... and dating Zack.. and people don't see how they could have been acquainted? You know.. that absence of evidence does not equal the evidence of absence. It could have been there, but they already have the aeris/cloud/tifa triangle. They have it in there for a possible but weird zack/aeris/cloud triangle. and the whole Tseng/Aeris tension issue.. I mean... for crying out loud... they could have thought it would have been too much.
and I hate to put this in here as it may give this awkward feel to things.. but as part of the original game concept designs/ideas. Sephiroth and Aeris were originally intended to be siblings.. which if you look at their appearance, similar eyes.. similar hair... both strongest materia users on the planet..... but, they tossed the idea to the wind when the found it too hard to implement into the rest of the story.
And, also.. you know a good reason to explain out of the whole "him killing her thing" was that it wasn't even really him. It was an apparition created by jenova... because you know... I heard that Sephiroth had actually been in the lifestream after he fell from the nibelheim reactor... and that he was really dead. Well, if he was dead then.. then how come he's walking around in ff7 like a normal living person? chances are he was dead already.. adn that his lifeforce was still somewhat preserved. And, that he got mako poisoning like Cloud did.. and the Jenova in him took over and used his body as a medium to do malicious things through. and maybe Jenova sent that apparition to kill aeris to prevent her from doing anything more than just summoning holy?
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:33 pm
Graceangel And, also.. you know a good reason to explain out of the whole "him killing her thing" was that it wasn't even really him. It was an apparition created by jenova... because you know... I heard that Sephiroth had actually been in the lifestream after he fell from the nibelheim reactor... and that he was really dead. Well, if he was dead then.. then how come he's walking around in ff7 like a normal living person? chances are he was dead already.. adn that his lifeforce was still somewhat preserved. And, that he got mako poisoning like Cloud did.. and the Jenova in him took over and used his body as a medium to do malicious things through. and maybe Jenova sent that apparition to kill aeris to prevent her from doing anything more than just summoning holy? Actually, the way it went was like this. Sephiroth died, he was straight up killed or straight up committed suicide, depending on which version of the Nibelham incident you like. He died at that point, but his body did not dissappear within the Lifestream and nor did his consciousness due to the Jenova within him. His body traveled to the Northern Crater, since the Lifestream was still gathering there to heal the wound from Jenova 2k years ago. Sephiroth was dead, but still able to retain conscious thought and was able to take control of the Jenova within him, utilizing it to control the spread out Jenova cells around the planet. Now, with that information at hand, the Sephiroth we see throughout most of the game on the surface is Jenovas body from the Shinra HQ. Sephiroth took control of the main body throught manipulation of the Jenova cells present within him, and the body broke out of the containment tank. It then proceeded up towards President Shinra, changing shape along the way, taking the form of what Sephiroth believed would strike fear into any who saw it and also ignite Clouds emotions. Every time we fight a Jenova in the game it is merely a piece dropped off of the main body. That main body of Jenova was in use, being seen as Sephiroth in order to gather the carriers of Jenova cells, since they naturally gather. Cloud was lured by that aspect and the fact that it was his once hero turned arch-enemy. In conclusion, it was really Jenova that killed Aeris, but under Sephiroths orders. The only reason Sephiroth had Aeris killed though was because Holy would hinder his plan.
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