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 Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:29 am
Nohope02 My brain hurts so much! most of my theorys have been said but I have a feeling that the children meet beatrice after the 12th book. As klaus says he would of fallen apart if it was not for beatrice (after the hotel burnt down). Maybe in the 13th book? Yeah, same here...probably in Book 13. I don't think LS would be that cruel and have it happen in between the books. Though now we get to ponder WHICH Beatrice it is. (Most likely # 2 I would assume) @__@
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:28 am
I found out, by reading somewhere, that there are two Beatrice's. One could be a sister younger than Sunny who only heard of them and is trying to find them...she heard Sunny on the radio but is unable to track her...there is one survivor, it would said in a poem to be the mother, she could have been pregnate. Also, she could have died in child birth.
Another thing is it was also said that this takes place long before he events until long after them. I'm not sure why no one said this yet so I thought I should through this in.
Also, I bought it before the 20% off and the free cd. Otherwise, I was a bit disappointed but still really want to read number 13 as I have preordered it and all.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:31 am
Saradiel Here is a theory, though I've no sound proof for it. There are two Beatrice Baudelaires, and one is older than the other, we've gathered from context. The older Beatrice, that LS loved, misinterpereted something printed about him in the Daily Punctilio and, presumably because of that, ended up marrying another man (The Vile Village). Also, in the telegram near the end of The Beatrice Letters, LS says to "Mrs. Baudelaire" "Rumors have reached me of your pregnancy," and he wishes her a healthy beautiful baby girl, etc. My conclusion is this: Beatrice Baudelaire, mother of Violet, Klaus, and Sunny, was the selfsame Beatrice whom LS loved, and the second, younger Beatrice is none other than the siblings' youngest sister, born after the fire while they were in hiding. Maybe the theory's out there a little bit, but I think it's plausible! I really wish I could say this theory is mine, or yours, but this is excatly what waas written in wikipedia about the letters. gonk
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:06 am
@ Sakura_kura: Yeah, I was wondering why we suddenly were getting future stuff...cause it always seemed to me (with a few exceptions) that LS was always right behind the Baudelaires, and would be writing the books AFTER the events had happened. And as for the Wiki theory, anyone can edit on there so it's not surprising that someone would put up a similiar theory. I still don't think Beatrice is their mom...but we'll see I guess. And as for BB # 2, if she's suppose to be their sibling how could she have been born after the fire, if the Baudelaire parents are suppose to have died in it? @_@ (looks back at your post) You mean Beatrice died in childbirth during the fire?? Now, I'm confused at your theory... sweatdrop Where did it say the survivor was the mother? Are you referring to "My Silence Knot" or something with the Snicket File?
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:43 pm
rurouni_starchild @ Sakura_kura: Yeah, I was wondering why we suddenly were getting future stuff...cause it always seemed to me (with a few exceptions) that LS was always right behind the Baudelaires, and would be writing the books AFTER the events had happened. And as for the Wiki theory, anyone can edit on there so it's not surprising that someone would put up a similiar theory. I still don't think Beatrice is their mom...but we'll see I guess. And as for BB # 2, if she's suppose to be their sibling how could she have been born after the fire, if the Baudelaire parents are suppose to have died in it? @_@ (looks back at your post) You mean Beatrice died in childbirth during the fire?? Now, I'm confused at your theory... sweatdrop Where did it say the survivor was the mother? Are you referring to "My Silence Knot" or something with the Snicket File? Neither. I am reffering to one of the books that had a poem at the end of book the tenth. 'that no life lives forever, that dead men rise up never.' If there was a survivor it was the mother (being not a man). Anyway, because I read this review or summery of the story (wikipedia? I'm not sure) and from what I saw in the BL I'm pretty certian that it goes from way before to way after. And as to what you said about Lemony Snicket being right after them...to me it seems like something that happened years ago. Maybe he was born before and lived during but this defginatly seems like something he in researching in the future (after the events have occured). One last thing about Beatrice. This is something Lemony Snicket would do just to make us think that she is indeed before we find out she's there...third cousion twice removed or something. Since there are two though, my money's still on mother and sister unless someone can make a better argument.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:11 am
Has anyone noticed that in LS to BB 4, where it says that it was mistakenly delivered to R (the new duchess of winnipeg) that there is a ring on the page, as though someone carelessly set down their drink without using a coaster? It was probably R who set the drink down. Does that mean R is a villain?
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:31 am
Crazy Bananna Has anyone noticed that in LS to BB 4, where it says that it was mistakenly delivered to R (the new duchess of winnipeg) that there is a ring on the page, as though someone carelessly set down their drink without using a coaster? It was probably R who set the drink down. Does that mean R is a villain? Yeah I noticed that. Not sure what to make of it...I don't THINK R is a villian, but I can't really be sure since we only get glimpses of her. Do you think maybe this has to do with that "fake R" that LS pointed out in TUA? @ Sakura: Oh! That one. Okey dokey, I'll go read that poem again. Hrmm...if he is writing them from way post-post-events, it makes we wonder why then he's writing them NOW. Cautionary tale? (ponders)
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:48 pm
rurouni_starchild Crazy Bananna Has anyone noticed that in LS to BB 4, where it says that it was mistakenly delivered to R (the new duchess of winnipeg) that there is a ring on the page, as though someone carelessly set down their drink without using a coaster? It was probably R who set the drink down. Does that mean R is a villain? Yeah I noticed that. Not sure what to make of it...I don't THINK R is a villian, but I can't really be sure since we only get glimpses of her. Do you think maybe this has to do with that "fake R" that LS pointed out in TUA? *gasp* It could be. *goes to compare R's signatures in both books*
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:39 pm
rurouni_starchild @ Sakura: Oh! That one. Okey dokey, I'll go read that poem again. Hrmm...if he is writing them from way post-post-events, it makes we wonder why then he's writing them NOW. Cautionary tale? (ponders) I didn't say it was like twenty years in the future, just in the future. Most likely, however, this is YEARS in the future. I wouldn't say this is a cautionary tale but... Lemony says that he feels he must copy down this story. All this means is that he was moved/liked or wanted other people to hear of the children's adventures. This is what a writer will do. The see something happen they think is important (or research) and now one has told the story or told it properly they will write it as they see fit. Cautionary tale, maybe. What is the moral so far? Don't play with first I suppose. Ha ha.
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:23 pm
|I|think that one Beatrice is the orphans mother,and the other the Quagmire triplets mother. domokun
And that the non-Beatrice,was the one who LS called Mrs Baudelaire in the last telegram in the book is the one that is the..Quagmires mother. domokun
Hmm...
But I've always thought about Klaus being their father..o_o
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Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:31 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:57 pm
rurouni_starchild Yeah, I found it there's a second face by Beatrice's hair. It's an optical illusion, focus on the red. Notes are being typed up as we speak. -RS There's about 5 different faces, actually.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:00 pm
AnijaYoukai One thing I noticed when I was reading was the mention of there being two Beatrice Beaudelaires. I went back and looked at the letters from BB and noticed there are two distinct styles of hand writing in the signature of BB @ the end of every letter. Ideas? One series of letters is Lemony Snicket as a youngster sending letters to the first Beatrice Baudelaire (not the mother/relative). The second series of letters is the second Beatrice Baudelaire (mother/relative) sending messages to Lemony, who is avoiding her. There also happens to be a few letters that Lemony sends to the first (or second?) Beatrice in the present, ie; the last letter.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:22 pm
|5| faces?
I thought that the one who said that without the Baudelaires,she was an orphan,is the one (highlight-spoilers) who is recently born.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:28 pm
Mr. MooCow rurouni_starchild Yeah, I found it there's a second face by Beatrice's hair. It's an optical illusion, focus on the red. Notes are being typed up as we speak. -RS There's about 5 different faces, actually. 5? Really? I know it wasn't an optical illusion by turning it upside down... (goes to look) Well I know there's the two... and maybe if you count the red around her neck and ruffle and the red around her lips...but those aren't really as distinct as the others... confused Where do you see five?
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