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 Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:01 am
Amiruni The church that I am talking about, is the one that is a direct line of Peter. The baptist churchs or any other protestant church is lead by a minister, who is not from the line of Peter. So you then believe that the Catholic church is the only true church?
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:04 am
Sorry, but what do you mean by "direct line of Peter?"
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:10 am
Let Us Reason is a great apologetics site, from what I've seen so far. 3nodding By the way, that's a link to the Catholics.
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:01 pm
sorry I have had so many tests this weekend.
I'm sorry Theopneustos, but the let us reason is definatly not what Catholics would be saying at all.
The Catholic churchs interpretations are given by the power of Christ.
2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of men, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
First of all, we must carefully distinguish and keep separate three areas: (1) The teachings of the Church (doctrine); (2) the rules or commands of the Church (legislation); (3) the question of how prudently the Church has acted in a given case.
How a person acts is not guaranteed, but what they teach through the Holy spirit does. Even fools can say wise things and not understand them or follow them, that isn't the point.
In many areas of life we believe things when there is no infallible guarantee. In believing, we might or might not stop to realize that there is a remote possibility of a mistake. But whether we think of it or not, we ignore the possibility.
So it is with the noninfallible teachings of the Church, if there were any mistake, the Divine Judge would never charge it against us if we had believed His Church. But He would penalize us if we did not believe.
More later
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:51 am
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:10 pm
Amiruni I'm sorry Theopneustos, but the let us reason is definatly not what Catholics would be saying at all. Right. That's why it said "Roman" Catholics. Amiruni The Catholic churchs interpretations are given by the power of Christ. 2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of men, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. Prophecy, not interpretations. These were the Prophets of long ago. Not of today. Amiruni First of all, we must carefully distinguish and keep separate three areas: (1) The teachings of the Church (doctrine); (2) the rules or commands of the Church (legislation); (3) the question of how prudently the Church has acted in a given case. And where is Christ in this picture? It's all church, church, church. Amiruni In many areas of life we believe things when there is no infallible guarantee. In believing, we might or might not stop to realize that there is a remote possibility of a mistake. But whether we think of it or not, we ignore the possibility. I'm sorry, but what are you talking about here? Amiruni So it is with the noninfallible teachings of the Church, if there were any mistake, the Divine Judge would never charge it against us if we had believed His Church. But He would penalize us if we did not believe. Scripture? And why the church, or "Church" with a capital C as you put it?
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:12 am
The CHURCH's doctines are based on Scripture, but they are the only ones given the power to interpretate what Scripture means as given through Jesus, when he built his CHURCH on Peter.
And what I meant was that when Jesus gave the power to Peter and all that came after him, that was power over CHURCH practices and doctrines. This doesn't meant that the pope or any other Catholic is perfect in the way that they act.
And if he makes mistaked in the noninfallable CHURCH claims, then I don't think God will punish us, because we were believeing in his ONE,TRUE,CHURCH. But he will punish us for not believing.
Not to say that any of us can altimately say who is saved and not saved, but I wouldn' t want to take a chance on that would I?
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:14 am
Interesting Amiruni and thank you for answering ^-^
I have a question that always wonder about, why do catholic churchs have statues/images of Jesus, Mary and usually Saints?
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:06 pm
Amiruni The CHURCH's doctines are based on Scripture, but they are the only ones given the power to interpretate what Scripture means as given through Jesus, when he built his CHURCH on Peter. All right. I'll need the Scripture reference for the below questions. 1. Was Mary without sin? 2. Why is the "Church" said to be the only place given the power to interpretate? 3. Prayer to Mary? 4. Infant baptism? 5. Penance? Amiruni And what I meant was that when Jesus gave the power to Peter and all that came after him, that was power over CHURCH practices and doctrines. This doesn't meant that the pope or any other Catholic is perfect in the way that they act. Scripture for seeing that those after Peter obtained said "power"? Amiruni And if he makes mistaked in the noninfallable CHURCH claims, then I don't think God will punish us, because we were believeing in his ONE,TRUE,CHURCH. But he will punish us for not believing. One true Church? The last time I checked, I was told that the church is the people within the building, not the building itself. That is, Christians are the church. Amiruni Not to say that any of us can altimately say who is saved and not saved, but I wouldn' t want to take a chance on that would I? Who was talking about if one was saved or not? Are you now claiming that people outside of the Catholic Church are not saved?
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 4:53 am
This site should answer 2 and 4 as well as other questions you might have but didn't ask.
As for the other 3 questions I am looking.
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:36 pm
I'm asking for Scriptural basis.
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:41 pm
Amiruni The CHURCH's doctines are based on Scripture, but they are the only ones given the power to interpretate what Scripture means as given through Jesus, when he built his CHURCH on Peter. And what I meant was that when Jesus gave the power to Peter and all that came after him, that was power over CHURCH practices and doctrines. This doesn't meant that the pope or any other Catholic is perfect in the way that they act. And if he makes mistaked in the noninfallable CHURCH claims, then I don't think God will punish us, because we were believeing in his ONE,TRUE,CHURCH. But he will punish us for not believing. Not to say that any of us can altimately say who is saved and not saved, but I wouldn' t want to take a chance on that would I? See? the doctrines are based on scripture, why can't they actually be the scripture? Plus, would Jesus only give power to interprate scriptures to the Chuch? Why? There are so many other Christians out there who aren't paof the Church...
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:49 am
That is what I am taught Akashi, that the Catholic church was the one true original church and it alone has the power to interpret scripture, a power given by Jesus to the first leader Peter.
And sorry Theo the site didn't copy. Now I have to find it again.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:54 am
Knotghlon Interesting Amiruni and thank you for answering ^-^ I have a question that always wonder about, why do catholic churchs have statues/images of Jesus, Mary and usually Saints? Well, lets face it, people like a physical thing they can see right. It make it easier to pray to Jesus if you have a statue of him to look at. Same for the others, but I 'm sure you meant, why do we worship them. Wrong, we don't WORSHIP them. Common misconception. When you don't know what to do, you go to others who have been in the same situation for guidence right? And when (or it you haven't yet you will) fill out college applications, you include letters of recommendation. Asking Mary and the saints to put in a good word for you to God, is another way to look at it. Some people can relate to people who once lived on earth, more then an all powerful God, creator.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 7:23 am
Amiruni Knotghlon Interesting Amiruni and thank you for answering ^-^ I have a question that always wonder about, why do catholic churchs have statues/images of Jesus, Mary and usually Saints? Well, lets face it, people like a physical thing they can see right. It make it easier to pray to Jesus if you have a statue of him to look at. Same for the others, but I 'm sure you meant, why do we worship them. Wrong, we don't WORSHIP them. Common misconception. When you don't know what to do, you go to others who have been in the same situation for guidence right? And when (or it you haven't yet you will) fill out college applications, you include letters of recommendation. Asking Mary and the saints to put in a good word for you to God, is another way to look at it. Some people can relate to people who once lived on earth, more then an all powerful God, creator. I understand that Catholics don't worship the statues or images but are really needed? What about the 2nd Ten Commandment?
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