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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:40 pm
hm...Blood and text...That sounds like a horror novel or something.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:13 pm
Geez... gave me a story idea. lol
Yeah and the netruals get attacked by being in the middle...
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:57 pm
I'm creative like that. XD
And yeah, poor neutrals. They get shoved more than the enemy because each side wants them.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:41 pm
Yeah. Having the guild blow up real good because of fanatical R/C and E/C supporters would not be good.
Though...I quite like the idea of blood and text, I must say.
I dunno. Would I be considered a neutral? 'Cause I'm more of an Erik fan, and I'm not particularly fond Raoul per se, but I'm not in love with Erik, nor am I a Raoul basher.
You guys have me all confused now.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:19 pm
I think you just make points when they are do, Thornicular.
I might be a hypocrite, though. XD I support one side but then can jump to the other to make a point there.
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:36 pm
I'm just curious... has anyone here actually seen a fanatical R/Cer? Anyone?
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:48 pm
PhantomoftheFox I'm just curious... has anyone here actually seen a fanatical R/Cer? Anyone? A real obsessed R/C fan, I have yet to see. The E/C pairing seems to have more crazy fans because the pairing is a fantasy; it can never happen. Fans of the canon pairing probably aren't as crazy because Raoul and Christine get together in the end, so they are satisfied. E/C fans do not have that satisfaction since Erik and Christine don't end up together. That's just my speculation. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:04 am
Oh Fox, dear, I was afraid you'd apply that term to me. XD
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:27 pm
We've all been known to switch sides to make a point, Uta. 'Least those of us who are addicted to debating. Personally, it runs in my genes. My grandfather switched sides all the time just to keep the argument going. I take after him so much, it's odd.
You? Fanatical R/Cer? I can't see that at all, really. You're like, very, very neutral on these things, I can't see you taking either Erik or Raoul's side.
Maybe I should be an honorary fanatical R/Cer. Even though I'm completely not a Raoul fan. I just want the title. xd
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:22 am
Thorn Venatrix Maybe I should be an honorary fanatical R/Cer. Even though I'm completely not a Raoul fan. I just want the title. xd You and me were on the same train of thought. xd I'm pretty neutral. I like both Raoul and Erik. Maybe I like Erik a teeny bit more, but as far as pairings go, I'm for R/C. The E/C relationship is one-sided, and I know everyone claims that Erik needs love, but I'd honestly make him go through a deal of therapy before taking on a romantic interest. If they were an item, and anyone were to hit on Christine (ala drunken New Years party xd ), he would probably seriously injure or kill them. Of course, she might not even be allowed to go out much anyway, because he would want her to always be with him. Catch my drift? Messy relationship alert. Oh, I remember someone saying about Erik (in a R/C and E/C debate) that the fact that he would kill for her is touching, and that proves that he loved her more. My reaction was like, "LOLWTF. I think it's easier for Erik to kill someone than it is for Raoul to just give up his life and be choked to death with a rope." Although I do think Raoul and Erik loved Christine the same amount, (The book protrays them both as love-sick puppies.) Christine loved Raoul, while she pitied Erik. The musical added a element of 'lust' that the book never had (closest thing was her being amazed my his voice), but the fact is, she didn't love him. So, I wrote all of that. Do I get the title yet? ninja
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:34 am
I agree on the therapy bit. He'd need a serious psychologist or something. Plus he was old, and I don't exactly go for older men. All the same, I don't particularly care for Raoul, but I want to be an honorary R/Cer, just 'cause practically the E/C relationship would not turn out.
But I completely agree on everything you've said here. I think if you really want the title, you should get it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:47 am
Oy. I think it really depends on personal interpretation, and which version or versions of Phantom you fan-base yourself off of. Different people see different things in the relationships, and that's okay. I don't really think there is a true set of right or wrong as to what the relationships are, or aren't. These questions or concerns about "Who's really in love, who's not, who's the better choise!" were never truly answered in order for the reader to take from it what their individual minds and hearts would come to see, like a good story should.
Personally, I see equally balancing Positives and Negatives in Erik/Christine and Raoul/Christine. To explain myself... would take a long time, and I need to sit down and edit the views I had to write while in exploring ideas for my fanfiction. Perhaps when I do, I can share my own exact thoughts.
In the Leroux novel, though, I don't forsee Erik/Christine working out. Not because it would not absolutely work between them (who knows), but because, and I think most can agree, it would defeat the whole purpose and beauty of the whole original story to begin with. Same thing with "Phantom" by Kay. If it didn't end as it did, you'd have to wonder, how else WOULD it go? How could it? Why? Not to say that it couldn't, but just that it's hard for many to fathom how it would work out any other way.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:10 pm
[.Erik.] Oy. I think it really depends on personal interpretation, and which version or versions of Phantom you fan-base yourself off of. Different people see different things in the relationships, and that's okay. I don't really think there is a true set of right or wrong as to what the relationships are, or aren't. These questions or concerns about "Who's really in love, who's not, who's the better choise!" were ever truly answered in order for the reader to take from it what their individual minds and hearts would come to see, like a good story should. Personally, I see equally balancing Positives and Negatives in Erik/Christine and Raoul/Christine. To explain myself... would take a long time, and I need to sit down and edit the views I had to write while in exploring ideas for my fanfiction. Perhaps when I do, I can share my own exact thoughts. In the Leroux novel, though, I don't forsee Erik/Christine working out. Not because it would not absolutely work between them (who knows), but because, and I think most can agree, it would defeat the whole purpose and beauty of the whole original story to begin with. Same thing with "Phantom" by Kay. If it didn't end as it did, you'd have to wonder, how else WOULD it go? How could it? Why? Not to say that it couldn't, but just that it's hard for many to fathom how it would work out any other way. Well, I'd have to agree that interpretation is a big factor. If everything I said was complete fact, then no one would ever have to debate about all of this. But, like you said, different interpretations and different versions of PotO kind of mix things up, so that I can get an argument of how Christine loved Erik in some other version, or a different view on the whole 'who loves who' deal. And everyone has their own opinions on those things, which makes it very interesting to read the mini-essays scattered around the guild discussing R/C and E/C. (Even if they usually turn into small flame wars.) A Pros and Cons list would be interesting. I've never been able to make the blasted things, but if someone else did one, I'd be more than happy to read it. Thorn Venatrix Plus he was old, and I don't exactly go for older men. Haha. That totally skipped my mind. I'm fairly sure that Leroux!Erik and Christine were about 32 years apart, give or take a few. I just imagine Erik in his early thirties while Christine was being born, and am like, ".... surprised "
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:06 pm
Pengy737 [.Erik.] Oy. I think it really depends on personal interpretation, and which version or versions of Phantom you fan-base yourself off of. Different people see different things in the relationships, and that's okay. I don't really think there is a true set of right or wrong as to what the relationships are, or aren't. These questions or concerns about "Who's really in love, who's not, who's the better choise!" were ever truly answered in order for the reader to take from it what their individual minds and hearts would come to see, like a good story should. Personally, I see equally balancing Positives and Negatives in Erik/Christine and Raoul/Christine. To explain myself... would take a long time, and I need to sit down and edit the views I had to write while in exploring ideas for my fanfiction. Perhaps when I do, I can share my own exact thoughts. In the Leroux novel, though, I don't forsee Erik/Christine working out. Not because it would not absolutely work between them (who knows), but because, and I think most can agree, it would defeat the whole purpose and beauty of the whole original story to begin with. Same thing with "Phantom" by Kay. If it didn't end as it did, you'd have to wonder, how else WOULD it go? How could it? Why? Not to say that it couldn't, but just that it's hard for many to fathom how it would work out any other way. Well, I'd have to agree that interpretation is a big factor. If everything I said was complete fact, then no one would ever have to debate about all of this. But, like you said, different interpretations and different versions of PotO kind of mix things up, so that I can get an argument of how Christine loved Erik in some other version, or a different view on the whole 'who loves who' deal. And everyone has their own opinions on those things, which makes it very interesting to read the mini-essays scattered around the guild discussing R/C and E/C. (Even if they usually turn into small flame wars.) A Pros and Cons list would be interesting. I've never been able to make the blasted things, but if someone else did one, I'd be more than happy to read it. Thorn Venatrix Plus he was old, and I don't exactly go for older men. Haha. That totally skipped my mind. I'm fairly sure that Leroux!Erik and Christine were about 32 years apart, give or take a few. I just imagine Erik in his early thirties while Christine was being born, and am like, ".... surprised " Yeahp, I'm going to try to tackle that task of making an explained list. Maybe I can submit it as a college essay when I finally get my butt into school xd *snort* I just have to refine my words and better explain my ideas, as what I wrote in my fanfic outline was just a base text, just notes. but then again, my fan base is a blend of Leroux/Kay/ALW. I love all three and see three very different Eriks, Christines and Raouls. I see 6 different relationships, if not more. So yeah, it should prove to be interesting if I can get around to doing it. And yeah... he was older. Much older. I guess it's all in what floats your gondola XD I like the fact that Erik is older. (you know what, maybe I should mention that I'm a girl parading around with a male avatar). Well, I guess I should say it's not about him being OLD, it's more the appeal of... hm. I don't know how to word it. More life experience? Maturity? Then again, this is coming from a person who dated someone 8 years older than herself so.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:46 pm
There kind of is a difference between dating a guy eight years olde and dating a guy over thirty years older. Would you date a guy in his fifties, for crying out loud?
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