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 Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:53 pm
Breaking with convention or tradition.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:00 pm
Lady Sickness Breaking with convention or tradition. <--- I don't really get it so..pegans I don't believe in...or do i *evil laugh pirate * --->
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:03 pm
Ok, an example of an orthodox religion would be Christianity or Judaism. Unorthodox religions are those that are generally not really recognised as official religions.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:10 pm
<--- Now I get it...okay...I don't really know if I believe in them or not sweatdrop --->
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:12 pm
Well, at least I helped you understand. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:41 am
chocokarma nope, wicca IS witch, it was all a hype by the curch, trust me i know, but WICCA is the only TRUE form of witchcraft. I agree with Lady Sickness on this one. Wicca is not witchcraft. Wicca is a religion founded by Gardner about 50 years ago. Witchcraft however... Well, I'm not entirely sure what the definition of witchcraft is, but I will put it loosely that it is the conscious "bending" and use of magic. (Over simplistic... I know. I'll come up with something more presentable later.) That said, I would be curious to know what you would define as a FAKE form of witchcraft. chocokarma actually, wicca started much longer ago, it was called druidism. but it was the original form of wicca, and that was recorded before all other witchcraft religions. Perhaps it inspired Wicca, but it definitely is not the same as Wicca. chocokarma apparently it is older, because there are historians. okay folks? Once again, perhaps your aunt may have been talking about the traditions that inspired Wicca?
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:44 am
Lady Sickness Esteloth Lady Sickness I consider bluntness to be a good thing. 3nodding However, my answer is unfortunately going to be far from clear... It's mostly just a degeneration of faith in anything but myself, and a lack of willingness to rely on anything I can't directly control. Well, technically you can control magic directly... more directly than some other things. After all, most people MUST believe (have faith?) in gravity, even if it can't be controlled razz You can control it directly if you have the will to do so, and enough faith in yourself to succeed. I'm lacking those things lately. Can you control gravity? Or temporarily overide it...? I suppose, perhaps if you do input enough energy into it, and really do have faith in yourself, it may work... ninja
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:39 am
Esteloth chocokarma nope, wicca IS witch, it was all a hype by the curch, trust me i know, but WICCA is the only TRUE form of witchcraft. I agree with Lady Sickness on this one. Wicca is not witchcraft. Wicca is a religion founded by Gardner about 50 years ago. Witchcraft however... Well, I'm not entirely sure what the definition of witchcraft is, but I will put it loosely that it is the conscious "bending" and use of magic. (Over simplistic... I know. I'll come up with something more presentable later.) That said, I would be curious to know what you would define as a FAKE form of witchcraft. chocokarma actually, wicca started much longer ago, it was called druidism. but it was the original form of wicca, and that was recorded before all other witchcraft religions. Perhaps it inspired Wicca, but it definitely is not the same as Wicca. chocokarma apparently it is older, because there are historians. okay folks? Once again, perhaps your aunt may have been talking about the traditions that inspired Wicca? Thank you. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:17 pm
Lady Sickness Esteloth chocokarma nope, wicca IS witch, it was all a hype by the curch, trust me i know, but WICCA is the only TRUE form of witchcraft. I agree with Lady Sickness on this one. Wicca is not witchcraft. Wicca is a religion founded by Gardner about 50 years ago. Witchcraft however... Well, I'm not entirely sure what the definition of witchcraft is, but I will put it loosely that it is the conscious "bending" and use of magic. (Over simplistic... I know. I'll come up with something more presentable later.) That said, I would be curious to know what you would define as a FAKE form of witchcraft. chocokarma actually, wicca started much longer ago, it was called druidism. but it was the original form of wicca, and that was recorded before all other witchcraft religions. Perhaps it inspired Wicca, but it definitely is not the same as Wicca. chocokarma apparently it is older, because there are historians. okay folks? Once again, perhaps your aunt may have been talking about the traditions that inspired Wicca? Thank you. biggrin My pleasure, we must do what we can to educate ourselves mutually, ne? Although, I really hope this guy comes back... I'm rather curious about his seemingly almost fluffly bunny-like stance about Wicca. I would also like to inquire upon his sources...
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:07 pm
How do you define "magic"? or "witch" for that matter?
The most accepted definition of pagan is someone that isn't Christian, Muslim, or Jew. I believe you can find good and wicked people who are pagan or orthodox religious....
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:51 pm
bandaidd How do you define "magic"? or "witch" for that matter? The most accepted definition of pagan is someone that isn't Christian, Muslim, or Jew. I believe you can find good and wicked people who are pagan or orthodox religious.... Witch would be someone who practices witchcraft (see above post for definition of witchcraft). To be honest, I'm not entirely sure as to what exactly magic is... *will think on it, and come up with a simili definition to be debated on*
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:58 pm
Esteloth bandaidd How do you define "magic"? or "witch" for that matter? The most accepted definition of pagan is someone that isn't Christian, Muslim, or Jew. I believe you can find good and wicked people who are pagan or orthodox religious.... Witch would be someone who practices witchcraft (see above post for definition of witchcraft). To be honest, I'm not entirely sure as to what exactly magic is... *will think on it, and come up with a simili definition to be debated on* So witch is someone who practices "conscious bending or use of magic" but we don't have a definition of magic... I'd like to see that before I comment on witches. I'm sure there are good and evil practitioners, like there are people in every group I have encountered so far...and maybe there are good and evil magics, I'm also thinking their are sincere witches and charlatans... I certainly believe in good and evil powers that can't be explained by normal physical senses nor science and there are good and evil spirits.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:44 pm
Magic is neither good nor evil, as a knife or bow is neither good nor evil. This much I know. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:44 pm
Lady Sickness Magic is neither good nor evil, as a knife or bow is neither good nor evil. This much I know. 3nodding Oh. So do you have a definition of magic? Is it a tool of some sort?
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:26 pm
No specific definition, really... I'm not sure there is one. o.0 Dictionary.com describes it thusly: Quote: The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural. a. The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature. b. The charms, spells, and rituals so used. But even that isn't very helpful, is it? Different practitioners (for lack of a better word) of magic all describe it in different ways, mostly depending on their level of control (or so I think). But even these only talk about what they can do with magic, rather than what it is. So... I don't know, really. o.0
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