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 Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 11:46 am
Knightgee Kamikazek-Z Mr.Mxyzptlk Rashou Yeah, like Kamikazek-Z said. The spells in FF7 don't shoot out at the opponent, they form directly ON them. Oh, and Heartless Angel doesn't dismember or disfigure, it does something far worse considering Alucard: it drains ENERGY. Alucard can't regenerate stamina (proof of this is his need to sleep).
And energy in Kingdom Hearts is hp, Health Points, which ties in with Alucard's Regenration.The Sin harvest doesn't just drain your HP, it takes away all your MP as well. So it basicly takes away all of your energy and leaves you near death. Wouldn't leaving Alucard near death be meaningless, since he already is dead. Besides, I think he was only focusing on HP to point out that Alucard could regenerate. But once again, you have to apply game mechanics to make it work, which is unfair for Alucard if you make him have to abide by KH2 or FF7's game mechanics just because he is fighting Sephiroth. And i'm pretty sure the attack isn't called Sin Harvest, but is called Descend Haertless Angel, problem is that on KH you only hear the "scend heartless", which ends up sounding like Sin Harvest. A better term would be to say he's leaving him near exhausted. Well, he's leaving him literally exhausted as Alucard doesn't have Second Chance. If Sin Harvest got off there would be no magical energy left for Alucard to be able to regenerate. Or release any seal. We're not applying game mechanics; otherwise it would be easy to say the attack would kill him off the back regardless of his regeneration. We're speculating how it would work in a realistic battlefield; not doing that would, in turn, be unfair to Sephiroth because that's cutting out one of his attacks. Albeit one I don't think SHOULD be discussed because he'd never get it off knowing how impatient Alucard is to get into the hard fighting. And the attack's name has been highly debated upon already, some hear "Sin Harvest" others hear "Descend Heartless Angel" and name it "Heartless Angel". Doesn't matter so long as we know the attack each other are talking about.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:07 pm
When I said it saps out your energy and leaves you near dead I meant that's what the attack usualy does. For Alucard it would do the only the former.
As for the name, I thought that it was Sin harvest in the first game and decend hartless angle in the second, but I am most likely wroung.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:34 pm
I really don't see where this is much of a fight, Alucard would start off cocky like he always does, and Sephiroth would speed blitz him. I don't think it's much of a stretch to picture that as Sephiroth is VERY fast and VERY strong. Once he's put Alucard's body down he life 3's him. He knows what undead are, has experience with them. Alucard wouldn't even have the time to release his restraints because he'd be too busy pulling himself together to do anything.
For what it's worth, in FF7 A pheonix down CAN miss an undead opponent, but I don't think the same holds true of a life spell.
A better set up would be a fully unleashed Alucard vs Safer Sephiroth. Then I think they're on more of an even ground, but I still think the edge goes to Sephiroth because he has absolutely no hesitation or ego.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:37 pm
Jerhien A better set up would be a fully unleashed Alucard vs Safer Sephiroth. Then I think they're on more of an even ground, but I still think the edge goes to Sephiroth because he has absolutely no hesitation or ego. He has an ego. Not as large as Alucard's but he held back against Cloud in AC, and Sora in KH2.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:10 am
Jerhien I really don't see where this is much of a fight, Alucard would start off cocky like he always does, and Sephiroth would speed blitz him. I don't think it's much of a stretch to picture that as Sephiroth is VERY fast and VERY strong. Once he's put Alucard's body down he life 3's him. He knows what undead are, has experience with them. Alucard wouldn't even have the time to release his restraints because he'd be too busy pulling himself together to do anything. For what it's worth, in FF7 A pheonix down CAN miss an undead opponent, but I don't think the same holds true of a life spell. A better set up would be a fully unleashed Alucard vs Safer Sephiroth. Then I think they're on more of an even ground, but I still think the edge goes to Sephiroth because he has absolutely no hesitation or ego. Seph has quite the ego, actually. It's actually the only thing that could explian why he keeps allowing Cloud and the gang to live after their numerous confrontations.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:57 pm
Knightgee Jerhien I really don't see where this is much of a fight, Alucard would start off cocky like he always does, and Sephiroth would speed blitz him. I don't think it's much of a stretch to picture that as Sephiroth is VERY fast and VERY strong. Once he's put Alucard's body down he life 3's him. He knows what undead are, has experience with them. Alucard wouldn't even have the time to release his restraints because he'd be too busy pulling himself together to do anything. For what it's worth, in FF7 A pheonix down CAN miss an undead opponent, but I don't think the same holds true of a life spell. A better set up would be a fully unleashed Alucard vs Safer Sephiroth. Then I think they're on more of an even ground, but I still think the edge goes to Sephiroth because he has absolutely no hesitation or ego. Seph has quite the ego, actually. It's actually the only thing that could explian why he keeps allowing Cloud and the gang to live after their numerous confrontations. I don't think he has that much of an ego, and he barely has any contact with the FF7 crew during the game because they're not a threat to him...the only one who WAS a threat he killed. I wouldn't really include his KH incarnations in the argument as they're not part of the same game world. The point was that he'd waste no time going to town on alucard.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:09 pm
Jerhien Knightgee Jerhien I really don't see where this is much of a fight, Alucard would start off cocky like he always does, and Sephiroth would speed blitz him. I don't think it's much of a stretch to picture that as Sephiroth is VERY fast and VERY strong. Once he's put Alucard's body down he life 3's him. He knows what undead are, has experience with them. Alucard wouldn't even have the time to release his restraints because he'd be too busy pulling himself together to do anything. For what it's worth, in FF7 A pheonix down CAN miss an undead opponent, but I don't think the same holds true of a life spell. A better set up would be a fully unleashed Alucard vs Safer Sephiroth. Then I think they're on more of an even ground, but I still think the edge goes to Sephiroth because he has absolutely no hesitation or ego. Seph has quite the ego, actually. It's actually the only thing that could explian why he keeps allowing Cloud and the gang to live after their numerous confrontations. I don't think he has that much of an ego, and he barely has any contact with the FF7 crew during the game because they're not a threat to him...the only one who WAS a threat he killed. I wouldn't really include his KH incarnations in the argument as they're not part of the same game world. The point was that he'd waste no time going to town on alucard. You say the mains of FF7 weren't a threat and yet they are the ones who kill him and the only person that was a threat still ended up owning him from the grave. The man can't close the deal when necessary. Hell, Cloud is the one who initially put him in the crystal, so how he can he not see him as a threat. So he will waste time on Alucard, since he has never succeeded in killing anyone who wasn't a ShinRa exec.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:54 pm
Knightgee Jerhien Knightgee Jerhien I really don't see where this is much of a fight, Alucard would start off cocky like he always does, and Sephiroth would speed blitz him. I don't think it's much of a stretch to picture that as Sephiroth is VERY fast and VERY strong. Once he's put Alucard's body down he life 3's him. He knows what undead are, has experience with them. Alucard wouldn't even have the time to release his restraints because he'd be too busy pulling himself together to do anything. For what it's worth, in FF7 A pheonix down CAN miss an undead opponent, but I don't think the same holds true of a life spell. A better set up would be a fully unleashed Alucard vs Safer Sephiroth. Then I think they're on more of an even ground, but I still think the edge goes to Sephiroth because he has absolutely no hesitation or ego. Seph has quite the ego, actually. It's actually the only thing that could explian why he keeps allowing Cloud and the gang to live after their numerous confrontations. I don't think he has that much of an ego, and he barely has any contact with the FF7 crew during the game because they're not a threat to him...the only one who WAS a threat he killed. I wouldn't really include his KH incarnations in the argument as they're not part of the same game world. The point was that he'd waste no time going to town on alucard. You say the mains of FF7 weren't a threat and yet they are the ones who kill him and the only person that was a threat still ended up owning him from the grave. The man can't close the deal when necessary. Hell, Cloud is the one who initially put him in the crystal, so how he can he not see him as a threat. So he will waste time on Alucard, since he has never succeeded in killing anyone who wasn't a ShinRa exec. Right, well, he killed Aeris, and by the time the FF7 characters where ever in a position to swing at him they where massively powerful themselves. Aeris never even fought sephiroth, directly or indirectly during the game....have you even played through it? Cloud snuck up on a far weaker, younger version of sephiroth whose mental state was so fragile that he let cloud surprise him. Sephiroth and Cloud have an odd relationship anyway, and commenting on Sephiroth's behaviour with cloud is a little unfair to his character. Anyone who got in his way besides cloud was killed with no hesitation, and no ego. The Shinra employees where a good example, the Midgard swamp snake, and whatever else happened to get in his way was dispatched quickly and efficiently. I think it's fairer to say that the ONLY person sephiroth has ever shown any ego with has really been Cloud. As for the whole "So he will waste time on Alucard, since he has never succeeded in killing anyone who wasn't a ShinRa exec" bit....Zeeky Boogy Dook. Irrelevant, trivial and off topic, especially when it spits in the face of a character whose behaviour is as clearly defined as Sephiroth.
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Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:59 am
Ryo_Eldaragon This one is going to cause some arguement. For Sephiroth I give him all his abilities, same with Alucard. Personally I think this one goes to Sephiroth without a doubt. Him with all his abilities and out for the kill, there's not much anybody can do. And if you don't know who Alucard is, he's from Hellsing, go do some research! wait this is sephiroth vs alucard from hellsing? alucard from hellsing is only city lvl in power in manga and anime his max is city level sephiroth in the final fantasy universe's multiverse is universal+ level as him an cloud are merged with lifestream energy an cloud even confirms that if sephiroth wanted to he could end cloud easily, the creator of final fantasy even said that seph only let's cloud win cause if seph killed cloud the fun of tormenting him would be over hell watch an read last order that shows some of sephiroth's feats also sephiroth's jenova cells are also described as omnipotent an sephiroth also has multiple copies of his body in different dimensions of the multiverse he can also erase people from existence reality warp soul manipulation etc alucard really has nothing on him at all. now if this was alucard from castlevania then that alucard would win by K.O. but sephiroth cannot die or be erased. it's impossible.
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