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 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:36 pm
Jinnari OOO! Geek fight!!! *goes off to get some pudding* blaugh ~Tosses pudding on Jinnari~ Whoops 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:40 pm
Untamed Toast Jinnari OOO! Geek fight!!! *goes off to get some pudding* blaugh ~Tosses pudding on Jinnari~ Whoops 3nodding *Casts Summon Pudding IX* over Jinnari* blaugh
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:48 pm
redface Me covered in pudding and no where to go... wink
Anyway...I was going to say ditto to Tenshi's post. I can't afford a handbook right now. I'm kinda saving for an anime con. Maybe I can borrow my bf's. I'm sure he has one. I'm going to check out that site Fuzzy posted to see if I understand things...or am I just getting in over my head. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:03 am
Zeusthunder Fuzzy Necromancer Well, I was thinking we could start at level 3. If we start at level one though, you can take huge appetite, vore, and improved unarmed strike. So basically you'd have to render people unconcious to eat them, or let a caster render them helpless with something like sleep. oh, so i'm taking improved unarmed strike instead of improved grapple? but doesn't that mean i can't take swallow whole? i suppose starting at lvl 3 would just make things a lot simpler Well, you don't have a choice, because improved unarmed strike is a prequisite for improved grapple. you can pick up improved grapple then as your fighter bonus feat at level two, and get swallow whole at level 3.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:12 am
DwarfPriest Fuzzy Necromancer ...but skeletons and zombies are still true neutral instead of neutral evil, do to them being utterly mindless, soulless, and devoid of free will. Honestly, what is up with that? Do they thoughtlessly obey their masters in a malevolent manner? They can't even think "I hate things" because they have intelligence of hyphen! They have charisma of 1, as close as you can get to lacking a will or soul or personality of any kind without becoming an object. ...yeah. >>; ... It's because of the negative energy... Don't forget that in DnD, negative energy is aways evil. And dont give me that speech that "too much positive energy can explode you". Its like eletricity. Too much, and you're gone. But just a tiny bit of negative energy can damage any living being. >>;;; No, negative energy is sometimes evil, like, when your channeling it to rebuke undead, and sometimes neutral, when you're casting an inflict spell, and WotC is just gradually ruling in favor of "evil" more often, which is ******** stupid, because life and death are neutral forces, and quietly, painlessly snuffing out an orc's life force is no worse than roasting him alive or hacking him apart with a sword.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:23 am
Fuzzy, you need to remember, that negative energy was AWAYS evil.
We are talking about DnD, where things are almost aways split in evil/good sides. Others RPGs don't even have an "evil" measurement. That's what I'm saying.
Evil clerics can expontaneously cast Inflict Damage spells for example.
And as you just stated, creating undead is evil, so the negative energy used on it makes the undead become beings made up with evil energy.
Actualy, they just started using "negative" and "positive" energy for the same reason they use "outsiders" instead of angels and demons when they started creating the game. Just to avoid problems with the church at the time, that was paranoid.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:31 am
NO! WRONGO!
Hell, back in 2.0 (and I believe that was the height of persecution) animating the dead was gray necromancy.
As it stands evil has a vague and nebulous connection to negative energy, but only sometimes.
Evil clerics spontaneously cast inflict spells, but the inflict spells don't have the evil descriptor. Good clerics can still cast inflict, slay living, and other negative energy spells.
The part that says "channeling negative energy is always an evil act" specifically refers to rebuking/controlling/bolstering undead, and only to that.
It's evil to create undead as the rules stand, but even then, skeletons and zombies should not be evil.
Do you know why?
Because they are MINDLESS!
They have no minds with which to think hateful thoughts. They have no souls to hate with. They do whatever they are commanded to do, whether that's to attack an orphan or to water a garden. They have no more free will or capacity for malice than a spider or an ochre jelly or a flesh golem or a footstool. It's annoyingly stupid to make this big rule saying that anything with intelligence of 2 or less being neutral because it lacks capacity for an alignment, and then going and breaking it just so that paladins can use their smite ability on undead hoards.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:27 am
I'm not saying that undead are evil. But they carry negative energy used by evil purposes. Holy powers disrupt the energy that animate them. Its not like "neutral" arcane magic that animates objects, like golens, for example.
Paladin's smite habilities? Why a paladin would waste it on lesser undeads? The real undead enemies he should use it on are usualy vampires and mumies, that DO have a mind and are almost aways evil.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:10 pm
DwarfPriest I'm not saying that undead are evil. But they carry negative energy used by evil purposes. Holy powers disrupt the energy that animate them. Its not like "neutral" arcane magic that animates objects, like golens, for example. Paladin's smite habilities? Why a paladin would waste it on lesser undeads? The real undead enemies he should use it on are usualy vampires and mumies, that DO have a mind and are almost aways evil. neagitve energy is still not evil. Holy and Unholy are somewhat blurred by still seperate from negative and positive energy. For example, disrupt undead still has no alignment descriptor. Unholy Blight does unholy damage, not negative energy damage, and Holy Smite does holy damage. Evil outsiders/fiends such as devils, demons, etc. are all still powered by positive energy. Cure spells heal them and inflict spells hurt them.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:40 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer Zeusthunder Fuzzy Necromancer Well, I was thinking we could start at level 3. If we start at level one though, you can take huge appetite, vore, and improved unarmed strike. So basically you'd have to render people unconcious to eat them, or let a caster render them helpless with something like sleep. oh, so i'm taking improved unarmed strike instead of improved grapple? but doesn't that mean i can't take swallow whole? i suppose starting at lvl 3 would just make things a lot simpler Well, you don't have a choice, because improved unarmed strike is a prequisite for improved grapple. you can pick up improved grapple then as your fighter bonus feat at level two, and get swallow whole at level 3. okay, now it makes since... i'm just gonna do that
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:57 pm
I'm pleased to announce that the campaign setting is coming along well. I've already worked out a location and a random encounter table.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:01 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer I'm pleased to announce that the campaign setting is coming along well. I've already worked out a location and a random encounter table. does it include the cookie mand and eclair/ cream filled donut?
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:06 pm
Ok I decided!! I will be an elf Ranger ^-^ My main weapon bein a crossbow, and secondary bein a bow and arrow wink
So how do I make a character sheet?
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:08 pm
Untamed Toast Ok I decided!! I will be an elf Ranger ^-^ My main weapon bein a crossbow, and secondary bein a bow and arrow wink So how do I make a character sheet? ...um, you can't dual-weild arrow weapons. Almost all ranged weapons are two-handed.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:10 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer Untamed Toast Ok I decided!! I will be an elf Ranger ^-^ My main weapon bein a crossbow, and secondary bein a bow and arrow wink So how do I make a character sheet? ...um, you can't dual-weild arrow weapons. Almost all ranged weapons are two-handed. Not duel handed, the bow and arrows aregonna be on my back, I will be carrying around my crossbow in my hands ^_^
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