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Lady Merewyn

PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:32 am


Both of the main parties in the US annoy me to no end. The Republicans legislate for the wealthy, the Democrats oppose the Republicans but their policies don't vary that drastically. And then our third parties have no real power or respect. In comparison to the main American parties, Chavez is so radically leftist...

Although I'm going to go to bed now and save my rant about American politics for later.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:40 am


ok, nite nite.

Le Pere Duchesne
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SoViEtTaNkT34
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:34 pm


Lady Merewyn
Price of oil isn't dropping anytime soon though. Its only rising. And as far as Chavez goes, you have to start somewhere. Sure he's not perfect, but he's at least farther left than a lot of other world leaders.


It will depending upon how fast public transportation and other fuels are added into the capitalist economic systems.

Once the low interest rates of most of our generation is obliterated we will soon feel the effects of the "war on Terrorism" and our taxes will go sky high leaving us with no other opinion then another fuel source OR economic collapse (we can always hope).
PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:38 pm


Gracchvs
i prefer right wingers. that way the people know they should oppose them. with left wingers, you get lesser-of-2-evil-ists, like yourself hanging on, saying, "NO! cease the class struggle, he is your friend, he gives you food, do not overthrow him, TRUST THE LIBERAL BOURGEOISIE!"

as i said, at least with right winger the people know they have the right to depose them, though usualy its just in favour of the 'liberals'


I Prefer Right wingers as well. Why must we fail to see the Martov in CHavez?

I would rather prefer the Left Communists (of Buhkarin not Gorter,council communism) then petty bourgeoisie.

SoViEtTaNkT34
Crew


Lady Merewyn

PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:42 pm


SoViEtTaNkT34
Lady Merewyn
Price of oil isn't dropping anytime soon though. Its only rising. And as far as Chavez goes, you have to start somewhere. Sure he's not perfect, but he's at least farther left than a lot of other world leaders.


It will depending upon how fast public transportation and other fuels are added into the capitalist economic systems.

Once the low interest rates of most of our generation is obliterated we will soon feel the effects of the "war on Terrorism" and our taxes will go sky high leaving us with no other opinion then another fuel source OR economic collapse (we can always hope).
Indeed. And areas of the US already suffering from economic collapse will only grow worse. High fuel costs already are an unpleasant reality; what most do not realize is that they are not going down anytime soon, they will only proceed to increase.

Public transit is fairly decent in cities, but once you get far enough away virtually nonexistant. In more rural areas, owning a vehicle is a necessity, because without one one simply can't get around, both to work and to procure other necessities. So...
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:40 am


Lady Merewyn
SoViEtTaNkT34
Lady Merewyn
Price of oil isn't dropping anytime soon though. Its only rising. And as far as Chavez goes, you have to start somewhere. Sure he's not perfect, but he's at least farther left than a lot of other world leaders.


It will depending upon how fast public transportation and other fuels are added into the capitalist economic systems.

Once the low interest rates of most of our generation is obliterated we will soon feel the effects of the "war on Terrorism" and our taxes will go sky high leaving us with no other opinion then another fuel source OR economic collapse (we can always hope).
Indeed. And areas of the US already suffering from economic collapse will only grow worse. High fuel costs already are an unpleasant reality; what most do not realize is that they are not going down anytime soon, they will only proceed to increase.

Public transit is fairly decent in cities, but once you get far enough away virtually nonexistant. In more rural areas, owning a vehicle is a necessity, because without one one simply can't get around, both to work and to procure other necessities. So...


The most ironic thing about all this is the fact that people want to be individuals and for example drive only themselves to work lol ... If anyone is ever on 93 going to boston or anywhere for that matter count the number of people per car, its normally one.

The unpleasant reality is that people dont want to get rid of the car or pay higher taxes. They simply wish to revert back to the "good old days".

SoViEtTaNkT34
Crew


Lady Merewyn

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:02 am


SoViEtTaNkT34
Lady Merewyn
SoViEtTaNkT34
Lady Merewyn
Price of oil isn't dropping anytime soon though. Its only rising. And as far as Chavez goes, you have to start somewhere. Sure he's not perfect, but he's at least farther left than a lot of other world leaders.


It will depending upon how fast public transportation and other fuels are added into the capitalist economic systems.

Once the low interest rates of most of our generation is obliterated we will soon feel the effects of the "war on Terrorism" and our taxes will go sky high leaving us with no other opinion then another fuel source OR economic collapse (we can always hope).
Indeed. And areas of the US already suffering from economic collapse will only grow worse. High fuel costs already are an unpleasant reality; what most do not realize is that they are not going down anytime soon, they will only proceed to increase.

Public transit is fairly decent in cities, but once you get far enough away virtually nonexistant. In more rural areas, owning a vehicle is a necessity, because without one one simply can't get around, both to work and to procure other necessities. So...


The most ironic thing about all this is the fact that people want to be individuals and for example drive only themselves to work lol ... If anyone is ever on 93 going to boston or anywhere for that matter count the number of people per car, its normally one.

The unpleasant reality is that people dont want to get rid of the car or pay higher taxes. They simply wish to revert back to the "good old days".
You just can't do that though. The world changes, and one can't go back to the good old days, one simply has to build a better future and move on. But people are afraid of change.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:53 pm


I am going to chime in support of transporation modes different from the standard one person one car model. The government subidization and the vast size of America has lead to a car culture that is in the long run unsustiable. As gas prices rise people will use other alterntives when available.

This is just the nature of the price system

Steve Sage


Lady Merewyn

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:51 pm


Obach Stove
I am going to chime in support of transporation modes different from the standard one person one car model. The government subidization and the vast size of America has lead to a car culture that is in the long run unsustiable. As gas prices rise people will use other alterntives when available.

This is just the nature of the price system
Problem is that under the current system, cost efficient alternatives arent' available. Hybrids are expensive, as well as impossible to fuel. So even though the current system is unsustainable, it is also relatively impervious to change.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:34 am


and? you are not providing any alternative are you?

what is needed is a planned and socialised economy in which these problems are dealt with in a rational and democratic way,which would most likely result in the universal adoption of bio-diesel. the current system only works in the interests of profit, and that itself does not mean it is impervious to change, what does, at least in the US, and this referes to all ecological issues, and not just the commercial one of limited oil, it that we have an administration which in it's dogmatic acceptance of the bible believes that the world will actually end before such things become an actuall issue.

Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet


Lady Merewyn

PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:18 am


Gracchvs
and? you are not providing any alternative are you?

what is needed is a planned and socialised economy in which these problems are dealt with in a rational and democratic way,which would most likely result in the universal adoption of bio-diesel. the current system only works in the interests of profit, and that itself does not mean it is impervious to change, what does, at least in the US, and this referes to all ecological issues, and not just the commercial one of limited oil, it that we have an administration which in it's dogmatic acceptance of the bible believes that the world will actually end before such things become an actuall issue.
Personally I'm a fan of a more extensive public transit system and the introduction of alternative fuel vehicles which are affordable. Planned economy is of course the best option, but realistically we're probably going to hit the fuel crisis before we get the economy. And the current system is relatively impervious to change because who owns the plans for fuel-efficient vehicles? Its the automotive industry that owns them, and is interested in profit rather than actually manufacturing affordable alternatives. So. And your're definately right on about the US administration. Politicians in general have a nasty habit of ignoring problems in the hope that they will go away, or that someone of the opposite party will have to deal with them.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:50 pm


so instead of providing a decent explanation of what to do, you just throw your hands in the air, and sigh about the fact we wont get to do anything?

Le Pere Duchesne
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Beloved Prophet


Dark Undead Lord Takai

PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:55 pm


If I was President of the United States of America, my transportation reform would invovle making a transcontinental hover or bullet train system with routes that mimic our current highway system.

Shall I continue on listing reforms if you voted for Takai, are you only intrested in transportation, or can I have some encouragement for a new thread wink let me hear you way WOOT!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:51 pm


Gracchvs
so instead of providing a decent explanation of what to do, you just throw your hands in the air, and sigh about the fact we wont get to do anything?
Yet you cannot help but know, as I am here in the first place, that I favor a completely socialized economy, and believe that that is the best direction in which to proceed. Above, I merely provided a pragmatic solution in the meantime.

Lady Merewyn


Le Pere Duchesne
Captain

Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:40 am


pragmatism is a capitulation to the current order. similar to the french 'possibilists'. what is needed is a principled stand on these issues. not 'what we can do now'.
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