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 Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:50 pm
Faithful Gothic Contingent SlaveToMetal people feel the need to be guided by someone who cannot betray them.. I concur thus far. There are a lot more factors in play. People crave a sense of purpose, guidance, meaning, and answers to the unknown. Religions, in general, offer these things. Quote: Most people are like sheep who will be easily led into this system of dogma that can save them from their own evils or magically heal them through prayer. Something that people generally crave. If you were raised differently, you might be led into a system of dogma, too. Quote: I have studied satanism and catholisim and christianity extensively and have looked into Islam also.. They all have the fundamental flaw of a non-existant higher power. You should rephrase that; Unproven and unlikely higher power. Keep in mind that you can never be 100% sure you're right. Quote: Buddhism isn't all that bad but it still has a diety !! This is new to me... Since when? Quote: If you are not your own power who will be? 'God', obviously. Quote: MY point is that people should have gained the intelligence to realize that the religion is not necessary. Not necessary for what? ------------------------------------ Threadstarter; What sort of 'weakness' do you refer to? well i was raised in a christian household where we went to church every sunday and some wednesdays ... i chose not to follow that ! You're right that i should have refrased that ..i was in my ranting mode at the time sweatdrop The buddah becomes like a diety in ways ..at least from what i have seen but it's not necessarily true for all buddhists well "god" shouldn't exist to rational people ..but that is purely my opinion ! the weakness i'm referring to is the lack of ability to become your own person..not just a remodeled version of their parents ! Well, Buddha stressed that he was not a diety or holy being of any sort, so those that do believe it aren't necessarily wrong, but they seem to be straying a bit.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:22 pm
Faithful Gothic people feel the need to be guided by someone who cannot betray them.. hence christianity. Most people are like sheep who will be easily led into this system of dogma that can save them from their own evils or magically heal them through prayer. I'm not just saying christian either i'm saying all who follow a religion with dogma and rules.. It gives them a sense of belonging even if they don't belong anywhere else. If you truly believe in this god no church or dogma or rules are necessary to worship it or feel it's presence. THIS INCLUDES SATANISTS.. satan and god come from the same source.. therefore they are one in the same. satanism is about self gratification i'll give them that.. but it involves gods and dogma just as any other religion. I have studied satanism and catholisim and christianity extensively and have looked into Islam also.. They all have the fundamental flaw of a non-existant higher power. Buddhism isn't all that bad but it still has a diety !! If you are not your own power who will be? well sed!~~
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:46 am
i agree with the guy who made this thread and admiral bobb.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:14 pm
Buddha's not really a diety as Bogwai stated earlier. He's more of a role model for people that would also like to reach nirvana or gain enlightenment.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:15 pm
Freud actually had an interesting take on why people look to religion. It's not because they're weak, exactly...
Freud said that religion was actually a form of wish-fulfillment. As a helpless child, one looks to one's parents for protection. Once one gets older, one sees that the parents are not infallible. If one was brought up in a religious environment, religion is avaliable as a way out of this unprotected situation - one simply replaces the parent with a different infallible protector - God.
In short, a child wants to be safe, and therefore resorts to religion for the illusion of protection it provides.
It appears to be a sensible explanation to me.
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:34 pm
I totally agree with the title of this thread. For instance: if a family member or loved one is sick or dying, most people will pray to their god that he will be healed. Not to mention the fact that since there is no god, this won't work, but it makes people feel better about themselves, like they have some control over the situation. Now an atheist would not pray, but would have to accept what is going on (unless there really is something he can do, like provide medical care or whatnot). It takes a strong person to be an atheist...we cannot just sit back and let this magical power from god take over the dirty work. Since we also know there is no heaven/hell, we know that death is final, and it makes it a sadder event than to those who believe their loved ones will live in a happy place for eternity (but philosophically speaking, what is paradise if you can't be with the loved ones you left behind on Earth? I don't know...doesn't sound happy to me!). All the horrid events in one's life can take a greater toll on atheists, thus it takes a stronger person to be an atheist than to believe in god.
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:20 pm
I believe you can have a religion any time you want no matter who you are but it is definately true that one gets more religious in a time of desperation where all non-divine methods have been fruitlessly exhausted.
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2006 7:21 pm
i'm not sure if i would go as far as to say that athiests are mentally/emotionally stronger people than religious folk. i guess i'm working on a gut feeling here, but that just seems like a cruel way to put things. sure a christian may have heaven, but that doesn't make losing a loved one any easier. the pain is just as overwhelming to someone with god in their life as it is to an athiest. heck, a religious person that loses a loved one may become confused (on top of being grief-stricken) as to why god chose to let their loved one die.
i lean more to believing that death is final, but that doesn't make death seem like such a sad reality to me. i'm okay with it. i see it as a part of the cycle of life and replenishing the earth when my body returns to it. i mean, dying would obviously suck, xd but i understand it.
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:35 pm
Windswept, you do realise that even the most ridiculous of all fiction does have some grounding? Halo does feature real places, (earth), as well some unverifiable places, because we can't go there (practically every place in the novels). Philip K. d**k wrote stories that took place in NYC, in 1998. And had robots, flying cars, lasers, androids, and even more. For ******** sake, the only factual thing in The Da Vinci code is the setting. Dan Brown is just another Tom Clancy.
And as for all of it connecting... did you know that almost all of J. R. R. Tolkein's novels do as well? Yes, indeedy-do they do. As do most of the stuff in the Elder Scrolls series do, albeit with the vagueness in each bit that has to be for each game.
And what does this 'evidence' point to?
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 5:27 pm
I don't really feel the need to be guided by anything. Though I am Roman catholic my religion demands that I beleive in God. I choose not to. Thats just a decision I made once I realized how much of the bible is a load of crap, in my opinion at least. After my first communion I just thought to myself why we all worship something that doesn't make sense.
I never really had to depend on God for anything. I doubt that it would do any good for me if I did. This old lady up at some youth group thing keeps on trying to force me to be more christion so I just stopped going there. I guesse I more of a rebel for religion *shrugs*
When people die we have no way of knowing wheth there is a heaven or a hell! Sure, people say they saw a white light at the end of a tunnel, but that doesn't mean much of anything now does it? What! when they die are they supposed to come back to life and tell us if heaven is real or not? Even if they did, they still wouldn't be able to prove anything.
Gah! Here I go again! Sorry, I'm starting to rant. Anyway, I think thats all I'm going to put in here...for now. at least until I think of something else to put.
My fingers are tired.
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