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If they're "free" (ie "free will"), they can't be anticipated. A plan relying on such a thing would have uncertain success.

There is no difference. If god knows each and every little thing we do, before we do it, he is, in a sence bending our wills. The only way we can have freewill is if god did not know what we are going to do, and if our every little action were caused by some previous cause (using action to mean everything we do, think, eat, physically do, etc.)

Many people bring up the t.v. guide analogy, however, that analogy is largely wrong. It could be misprinted, whereas our lives are not misprinted; also, it only gives one a brief schedule and overview, whereas god knows the exact schedule and all about us. Really, it would be more correct to say that god has the review of a movie, before the movie comes out. But, again, that is not correct enough, because god made us, he is not letting some other thing make us, he made us, when we say that god has the review of a movie before the movie even comes out, can mean that either god made it or not, and in most cases, it implies that god did not make the movie. Since god made the movie, god has the review of the movie he made, before the movie was made. In other words, god really we do not have freewill.

Here guys.
From what I know, a women (forgot her name) who abort earlier in her life regrets it after she became religious.
(If you are too lazy to read it all, read the bold and the colored)
Warning, some of this may be a little bit detailed.

Also, some women suffer after abortion.
"Over one hundred potential complications have been associated with induced abortion. "Minor" complications include: minor infections, bleeding, fevers, chronic abdominal pain, gastro-intestinal disturbances, vomiting, and Rh sensitization. The nine most common "major" complications which are infection, excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications, convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock." and the major complications eventually may leed to death.

"Women who have undergone post-abortion counseling report over 100 major reactions to abortion. Among the most frequently reported are: depression, loss of self-esteem, self-destructive behavior, sleep disorders, memory loss, sexual dysfunction, chronic problems with relationships, dramatic personality changes, anxiety attacks, guilt and remorse, difficulty grieving, increased tendency toward violence, chronic crying, difficulty concentrating, flashbacks, loss of interest in previously enjoyed activities and people, and difficulty bonding with later children.

Among the most worrisome of these reactions is the increase of self-destructive behavior among aborted women. In a survey of over 100 women who had suffered from post-abortion trauma, fully 80 percent expressed feelings of "self-hatred." In the same study, 49 percent reported drug abuse and 39 percent began to use or increased their use of alcohol. Approximately 14 percent described themselves as having become "addicted" or "alcoholic" after their abortions. In addition, 60 percent reported suicidal ideation, with 28 percent actually attempting suicide, of which half attempted suicide two or more times."

Abortion does more then kill unborn babies.

"I was supposed to be aborted," says Elizabeth Paige. "My mother and father were having trouble in their marriage and they were about to give her the anesthesia and she sneezed."

That sneeze literally saved Elizabeth's life. Doctors were concerned that her mother had an infection, and so they refused to perform the abortion.
"I don't know why I was told that as a child, but knowing that sent me through a whirlwind of emotions as a child-sent me into self hatred, not understanding my purpose in life, feeling unwanted," she says.

Eventually this girl who servived pulled out of her depression and found God.
Want to read it all? -----> http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/salvation_elizabeth_paige.asp



The point is, Abortion doesn't just kill the unborn baby.

1. If we were able to make a free choice that contradicted an omniscient being's knowledge of the future, that being would be wrong, and therefore not omniscient.
2. God is omniscient.
Conclusion:We don't have free will.


However, they don't have a developed mind- they don't have an identity, and they don't have significant knowledge...

Well, you could, actually. It's all a matter of definition.

There's no malicious intent.

The threat of overpopulation? The enormous pressures of childbirth and motherhood? The freedom of a woman to control her own body?

That doesn't solve all of the problems.

There is more info, but I dont want to post 3 articles on here or anything.
But i'm sticking with the fact that abortion isn't right in any way, shape or form.
I mean, there is life in the unborn baby, get we never give it a chance. They give people in jails a better chance at life then they do with unborn babies.

Well, that is because, certainty does not constitute that which is right. Also, these people on death row have what are called human rights as they are fully human. Fully human means, one, of the human race, and two, fully out of the womb, with all connections to the womb severed completely.

Anything with a connection to something else, and is using that something else for some sort of nourishment, and/or other types of life support are considered parasites. I know it's a nasty way to picture an unborn baby, but, that's what an unborn baby is, a parasite.

Coyote Jack: I completely agree with you.

we are and were parasites.
We were parasites before we were born yes. But we are even parasites now.
We all look to God for nourishment and life support. So aren't we all parasites? hmmm?

Uh, we all look to God for nourishment and support?
Really? Wow, there's a lot I know about myself.

Up with The eating of bagels

(If I have a big enough font, maybe people will obey me?)