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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:46 pm
In class (TKD) I've been taught that its gets a little easier to handle multiple targets if you break their legs, y'know, like kicking at the side of the knee. Otherwise if you can, running is normally a better option.
NEVER, EVER try crap from martial arts movies!
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:00 am
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Personally, I think the moment a fight results in one victim being outnumbered, it should be automatically be legally considered attempted murder. I strongly agree with this
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:43 pm
DarklingGlory Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Personally, I think the moment a fight results in one victim being outnumbered, it should be automatically be legally considered attempted murder. I strongly agree with this Or depending on the circumstances, a hate crime y'know?
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:18 pm
I'm kinda reconsider what was said after hearing about Jena 6
I would also factor the damage of the victim. A concussion and swollen eye isn't too bad. Simple assault and battery, I say.
But I've heard of cases where kids get internal bleeding, broken ribs, broken facial bones. These cases I think require Attempted Murder charges.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:05 pm
Im not sure you could make distinctions like that in law though. I mean, i could try and kill someone by shooting them but i miss for some reason and they lose, i dunno, a finger. But someone else could try and kill someone by shooting them, shoot them in the leg and they could lose that limb.
If you're going to decide on murder or attempted murder charges, i think you need to look at the motives involved, and not just the outcome.
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:55 pm
Iconised Ghost Im not sure you could make distinctions like that in law though. I mean, i could try and kill someone by shooting them but i miss for some reason and they lose, i dunno, a finger. But someone else could try and kill someone by shooting them, shoot them in the leg and they could lose that limb. If you're going to decide on murder or attempted murder charges, i think you need to look at the motives involved, and not just the outcome. Fact of the matter is: You don't gang up on somebody and hit them while they're on the ground unless you wish to cause serious damage. That's enough motive right there. Look at Jena Six - those boys got charged with Attempted Murder and all they did was give the guy a concussion and swollen eye
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:08 pm
i dunno, there could be multiple reasons. Drug use, money, etc. I agree that you dont hit someone on the ground unless u want to hurt them, but that doesnt constitute attempted murder necessarily
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:04 pm
Iconised Ghost i dunno, there could be multiple reasons. Drug use, money, etc. I agree that you dont hit someone on the ground unless u want to hurt them, but that doesnt constitute attempted murder necessarily It's like the philosophy behind shooting somebody You don't shoot somebody unless you want to cause SERIOUS damage If someone knocks somebody out, throws away all inhibitions and begins to pound them while they they're standing, they're only doing it to cause serious harm - whether it be from drug use, for money, for sex, it doesn't matter.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:08 pm
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Iconised Ghost i dunno, there could be multiple reasons. Drug use, money, etc. I agree that you dont hit someone on the ground unless u want to hurt them, but that doesnt constitute attempted murder necessarily It's like the philosophy behind shooting somebody You don't shoot somebody unless you want to cause SERIOUS damage If someone knocks somebody out, throws away all inhibitions and begins to pound them while they they're standing, they're only doing it to cause serious harm - whether it be from drug use, for money, for sex, it doesn't matter. thats true. But serious harm isnt murder. its...battering? Assault?
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:54 pm
I've done it a few times, but it was a while ago. Trick was always to try to turn the situation in your favour by somehow getting the others to back off while you fight one on one
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:27 pm
Iconised Ghost Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Iconised Ghost i dunno, there could be multiple reasons. Drug use, money, etc. I agree that you dont hit someone on the ground unless u want to hurt them, but that doesnt constitute attempted murder necessarily It's like the philosophy behind shooting somebody You don't shoot somebody unless you want to cause SERIOUS damage If someone knocks somebody out, throws away all inhibitions and begins to pound them while they they're standing, they're only doing it to cause serious harm - whether it be from drug use, for money, for sex, it doesn't matter. thats true. But serious harm isnt murder. its...battering? Assault? It's not murder though - it's attempted murder
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:59 am
Iconised Ghost Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Iconised Ghost i dunno, there could be multiple reasons. Drug use, money, etc. I agree that you dont hit someone on the ground unless u want to hurt them, but that doesnt constitute attempted murder necessarily It's like the philosophy behind shooting somebody You don't shoot somebody unless you want to cause SERIOUS damage If someone knocks somebody out, throws away all inhibitions and begins to pound them while they they're standing, they're only doing it to cause serious harm - whether it be from drug use, for money, for sex, it doesn't matter. thats true. But serious harm isnt murder. its...battering? Assault? In the town I live, two years ago, some guy got pushed over in a drunken brawl. When he fell he cracked his skull on the curb and died as a result of it. When more than one person starts on someone else, that single person will suffer considerable physical damage, and could quite easily die. It doesn't matter if the multiple people "didn't intend" to kill them. The intent is there simply by the very act of being more than one on one
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:51 pm
i think that sometimes its going to get more complicated than that, especially from a legal defense perspective. The example you gave wasnt murder necessarily, it was more manslaughter (unless they deliberately pushed him with the intent to kill him). Multiple people may attack for many reasons other than trying to kill the person- they may be on drugs, or desperate for them (this not only gives than a different motive to murder, but also affects their judgement), they may be gang raping someone (in which case they are not intending to murder them either). If the person dies as a result of their action, legally it is not a simple case of it being murder. Morally it might be different (you could say that if a person committed suicide after being gang raped, then the rapists had essentially committed murder. Depending on how you look at it. In court I dont think that would stand up, but morally you might be able to argue it)
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:43 pm
Iconised Ghost i think that sometimes its going to get more complicated than that, especially from a legal defense perspective. The example you gave wasnt murder necessarily, it was more manslaughter (unless they deliberately pushed him with the intent to kill him). Multiple people may attack for many reasons other than trying to kill the person- they may be on drugs, or desperate for them (this not only gives than a different motive to murder, but also affects their judgement), they may be gang raping someone (in which case they are not intending to murder them either). If the person dies as a result of their action, legally it is not a simple case of it being murder. Morally it might be different (you could say that if a person committed suicide after being gang raped, then the rapists had essentially committed murder. Depending on how you look at it. In court I dont think that would stand up, but morally you might be able to argue it) So if I'm on drugs, you're saying I'm automatically innocent of murder? If somebody's on drugs, that's more reason to try them for attempted murder. Gangraping is a whole different subject. Now if they're beating a person down before raping, we've got a bunch of charges right there: assault, battery, attempted murder, sexual assault, rape, and whatever else might be there For example, victim dies from injuries suffered from gangrape - that's murder. If they commit suicide, it is what it is and it's not murder - but it doesn't change the fact that while the rapists were beating down on them, they were trying to murder them.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:37 pm
Possibly at most i could only defend myself against four people, but if i could not escape...i would do a takedown that tucks a foot under the ankle of your opponent to pull him to the ground in a twisting movement of your body, landing on him. Then i would attack one and push forth to move out of the circle of attackers. I would then promptly take each out one by one by stepping back until one attacks me at a time. Play it safe, huh?
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