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Lyrically Adagio

PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:42 am


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There is a theory called Edenics, and it purports that Hebrew is the mother of all languages. It's an interesting theory (you can search for it on the internet). Also, before you decide how languages formed, you have to take notice of your worldview - evolutionism or creationism. No slamming the worldview you don't ascribe to, please! Worldview has a part to play in this discussion, and it must be admitted that people ALWAYS have one worldview or another!


I do not mean to be a stickler here, but this confuses me. How could Hebrew be the mother of all languages when others, like the Phoenicians, developed their languages before the Hebrew race did? Not only that, but almost all writing systems of today who use Romanesque letters are all derived from the Phoenician writing system.

Unless, of course, you mean solely speech-wise? Explain, please.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:20 am


I've just been reading about Edenics (came across it via the ZBB) and what I've seen is NOT good. It basically looks like a load of tripe that doesn't use acceptable linguistic methods.

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Vajra B. Hairava

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:17 pm


I don't come around this corner of the guild often.

Edenics? DO NOT WANT. Really.

I find most of the well founded theories, like proto indo european, proto austronesian, blah blah, are believable and logical enough solutions to the origins of languages. Except for a few, like Altaic, but anyway. The proto-world theory however, seems a bit of a stretch, and Edenics takes that a huge stretch further, into the realm of stupid.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:18 pm


Kimyanji
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Kimyanji
It's similar to when words sound like the concept it is describing:

Bark
Yelp
Meow
Crunch
Crash
Thud
Scratch

And so forth...

Well actually, such words which sound similar to a noise they're describing, are known as onomatopoeia. And I had to check an online dictionary, because I still have no idea how to spell that word.
That's the concept I was thinking of! It might be universal...

In Arabic:
qarsh = crunch
miwa' = meow
sharar = spark

my favorite:
naa'im = soft
KHaSHin = rough (and that's a heavy Kh sound...)


Erg. There's the onomatopoeic word in Arabic for bat (the animal), and it's something like 'woo woo,' but I just can't remember it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:22 pm


As far as written language is concerned, that's easy. Most scholars agree that the first written language originated in Sumer around 4600 B.C.E. It was called cuneiform and was a phonetic language written in wedge-shaped letters.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:42 pm


This is paraphrased from my textbook:

Homo sapiens (Neanderthal) began to cluster into groups and began to share activities. This meant a greater need for communication. The Broca's Area of the brain controls the tongue, throat, and mouth, helping us to speak. Australopithecines has an imprint of this area on fossilized skulls, and it is more visible as Homo erectus evolved into Homo sapiens, meaning that these people might have already started speaking skills.

About 40,000 ybp and earlier, tools didn’t appear to have any regulated shape. With the evolution of Homo sapiens sapiens (Cro Magnon), tools began to become standardized. This shows that someone must’ve had an idea as to what particular tools looked like and had to communicate what they should look like.

A spoken language depends on “things as context, tonal level, and body movement.” It’s possible that sounds were created with gestures alongside.

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So... yeah. Tch.

pixie_dust_901
As far as written language is concerned, that's easy. Most scholars agree that the first written language originated in Sumer around 4600 B.C.E. It was called cuneiform and was a phonetic language written in wedge-shaped letters.


Yep, It started about 3000 BCE, where people (scribe like people, mostly) drew pictograms on baked tablets These pictograms eventually became ideograms (as well as pictograms, but that’s besides the point.) The pictograms began to be written with reeds, which made wedgeshaped marks (cuneiform), and these developed into phonograms.

But the first alphabet was created by the Phoenicians. It was an abjad, really…

Stupid MS Word, it gets on my case for using passive sentences.

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