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 Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:49 pm
WatersMoon110 Can't we all agree that it's wonderful to have loving parents?
Even if she had been Pro-Choice, though, she said she would have kept me because I was "planned" and "wanted," so she actually tried to have another kid... but still, I know she would have kept me even if she knew she would die giving birth (there weren't any risks of that, just giving an example,) even though she already had six kids. In my mind, that makes the love even more special. ^ ^ But everyone has their values, I'm just glad mine match up with my mom's views, too.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:57 pm
FreeArsenal WatersMoon110 All people who have loving parents are lucky. A loving Pro-Life parent is wonderful. A loving Pro-Choice parent is wonderful. Claiming that one type or the other is better is stupid, no matter which side is doing it. Can't we all agree that it's wonderful to have loving parents? I disagree, having wonderful loving parents who don't know how to support us in a crazy world doesn't help. Parents need to be more than just loving, they have to be intelligent. Agreed. But a Pro-Life parent is no more likely to be a good parent (or a bad parent) than a Pro-Choice one (and the other way around). I would say that a loving parent is more likely to attempt to properly care for a child than an apathetic parent, though. There are intelligent Pro-Choice parents and intelligent Pro-Life parents.
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:01 pm
Lorysa WatersMoon110 Can't we all agree that it's wonderful to have loving parents?
Even if she had been Pro-Choice, though, she said she would have kept me because I was "planned" and "wanted," so she actually tried to have another kid... but still, I know she would have kept me even if she knew she would die giving birth (there weren't any risks of that, just giving an example,) even though she already had six kids. In my mind, that makes the love even more special. ^ ^ But everyone has their values, I'm just glad mine match up with my mom's views, too.My mother planned me, all of her other children were unexpected. But I, personally, couldn't care less if the first thing she had said when she got pregnant the second time (I'm her second of four children, plus the fifth pregnancy she had to abort for health reasons) was "I wonder if I should abort this one?" or for that matter "I don't know if I want this pregnancy". I do understand that you, and others feel differently, but I don't believe it matters. I'm glad for you that your views and your mother's views on pregnancy are the same. My mother is also Pro-Choice, like I am (though I don't know if her views are exactly the same as mine, I'll ask her).
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:17 am
WatersMoon110 Lorysa WatersMoon110 Can't we all agree that it's wonderful to have loving parents?
Even if she had been Pro-Choice, though, she said she would have kept me because I was "planned" and "wanted," so she actually tried to have another kid... but still, I know she would have kept me even if she knew she would die giving birth (there weren't any risks of that, just giving an example,) even though she already had six kids. In my mind, that makes the love even more special. ^ ^ But everyone has their values, I'm just glad mine match up with my mom's views, too.My mother planned me, all of her other children were unexpected. But I, personally, couldn't care less if the first thing she had said when she got pregnant the second time (I'm her second of four children, plus the fifth pregnancy she had to abort for health reasons) was "I wonder if I should abort this one?" or for that matter "I don't know if I want this pregnancy". I do understand that you, and others feel differently, but I don't believe it matters. I'm glad for you that your views and your mother's views on pregnancy are the same. My mother is also Pro-Choice, like I am (though I don't know if her views are exactly the same as mine, I'll ask her). What are your views?
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:12 pm
ryokomayuka I think I've expressed them in other threads in here. I believe that, because bodily itegrity is a legal precident that states that no born human can be forced to give up control of their body even to save the life of another born human, this should also apply to an unborn human. However, I believe that abortion should not be allowed past viabiliy of the unborn human (except for cases in which the woman would die without it). I also believe that all people should be taught about forms of birth control (though abstinance should be strongly stressed) and how to use it properly, and that there should be (more) finacial help for pregnant women who need it, and for children living in poverty. I also feel that the abortion system is not working especially well, and many steps should be taken to fix it (around here there are actually commercials that encourage people to adopt, and ones specifically encouraging people to adopt teens - I can't wait until we have a house and my fiance's has graduated from grad school, because I really want to adopt an older sibling group). I believe that it is horrible when someone on one side of this issue dismisses the entire side of this debate as either "stupid", "mean", or "completely wrong". Mostly because I don't believe that there is only one right way to feel when it comes to this issue. I believe that it is important to try to be tolerant, polite, and respectful to all people, no matter what they believe (and I'm honored that I'm allowed into this Guild even though I do believe differently than the people here). I think that's about it, for anything I can think of to do with reproduction. You can ask me any questions you like, either in here or in PM, if I confused you (which I have been known to do to people).
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:26 pm
interesting- however, you don't need to support the "right" to kill in order to respect and care about people. there are many viable options and choices besides abortion, ones that do not waste a life for a generally selfish purpose. although it does happen that there are tough times and complications, it is also more prevailant that the woman in question was simply being irresponsible.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:44 pm
divineseraph interesting- however, you don't need to support the "right" to kill in order to respect and care about people. there are many viable options and choices besides abortion, ones that do not waste a life for a generally selfish purpose. although it does happen that there are tough times and complications, it is also more prevailant that the woman in question was simply being irresponsible. Not all people believe that "having sex" equals "being irresponsible" since not all people believe that abstinance is the only course of action that is responsible. For example (on why what constitiutes responsiblity is relative): I think that it is horribly irresponsible to use a V-Chip instead of paying attention to what your children are watching. However, that doesn't mean that other people feel that blocking mature shows isn't a way to be responsible. There are three options when it comes to an unexpected pregnancy: abortion, keeping the pregnancy and raising the resulting child, keep the pregnancy and giving the resulting child up for adoption. I wouldn't call that many to begin with, let alone after making one of the option illegal.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:51 pm
Quote: "I wouldn't care, I wouldn't be able to feel any thing." or "I wouldn't care, I'd be happy my mother used her right." If anyone said that to me, I would suggest counciling. I sence some very low self esteem here.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:58 pm
Dudegirl Quote: "I wouldn't care, I wouldn't be able to feel any thing." or "I wouldn't care, I'd be happy my mother used her right." If anyone said that to me, I would suggest counciling. I sence some very low self esteem here. I feel the same way about statements such as "I can't stand the thought that my mother might have aborted me". Though I sense an anxiety disorder...
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:06 pm
WatersMoon110 divineseraph interesting- however, you don't need to support the "right" to kill in order to respect and care about people. there are many viable options and choices besides abortion, ones that do not waste a life for a generally selfish purpose. although it does happen that there are tough times and complications, it is also more prevailant that the woman in question was simply being irresponsible. Not all people believe that "having sex" equals "being irresponsible" since not all people believe that abstinance is the only course of action that is responsible. For example (on why what constitiutes responsiblity is relative): I think that it is horribly irresponsible to use a V-Chip instead of paying attention to what your children are watching. However, that doesn't mean that other people feel that blocking mature shows isn't a way to be responsible. There are three options when it comes to an unexpected pregnancy: abortion, keeping the pregnancy and raising the resulting child, keep the pregnancy and giving the resulting child up for adoption. I wouldn't call that many to begin with, let alone after making one of the option illegal. having sex is not always irresponsible. it is, however, when the pepole are not ready for a child. it is illogical and selfish, there is no other explanation. no matter how it is sugar-coated, sex feels good. people want to feel good, and oftentimes at the price of the life of a child. if you're lactose intolerant, you shouldn't drink milk. if you aren't ready for a child, you shouldn't have sex. if you don't want to die, you shouldn't play russian roulette. they are all along the same principle, except abortion is even more pointlessly self-indulgent than russian roulette or pounding down a quart of ice cream, because the one who is at risk is the child, not the person making the idiotic decisions based on what they want. whiney little children who cry for candy are on the same level.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:26 pm
divineseraph WatersMoon110 divineseraph interesting- however, you don't need to support the "right" to kill in order to respect and care about people. there are many viable options and choices besides abortion, ones that do not waste a life for a generally selfish purpose. although it does happen that there are tough times and complications, it is also more prevailant that the woman in question was simply being irresponsible. Not all people believe that "having sex" equals "being irresponsible" since not all people believe that abstinance is the only course of action that is responsible. For example (on why what constitiutes responsiblity is relative): I think that it is horribly irresponsible to use a V-Chip instead of paying attention to what your children are watching. However, that doesn't mean that other people feel that blocking mature shows isn't a way to be responsible. There are three options when it comes to an unexpected pregnancy: abortion, keeping the pregnancy and raising the resulting child, keep the pregnancy and giving the resulting child up for adoption. I wouldn't call that many to begin with, let alone after making one of the option illegal. having sex is not always irresponsible. it is, however, when the pepole are not ready for a child. it is illogical and selfish, there is no other explanation. no matter how it is sugar-coated, sex feels good. people want to feel good, and oftentimes at the price of the life of a child. if you're lactose intolerant, you shouldn't drink milk. if you aren't ready for a child, you shouldn't have sex. if you don't want to die, you shouldn't play russian roulette. they are all along the same principle, except abortion is even more pointlessly self-indulgent than russian roulette or pounding down a quart of ice cream, because the one who is at risk is the child, not the person making the idiotic decisions based on what they want. whiney little children who cry for candy are on the same level. Your morals are that people who are not ready to raise a child should not have sex. Other people do not believe this. Many people believe that you should be prepared to deal with an unexpected pregnancy (in whatever way you choose) before you have sex, but not all believe that the only responsible way to have sex is when you want to have a child. What is "responsible" is realitive, even though you believe your consepts of responsibility should be held by everyone.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:51 pm
You know, after reading a little more through this topic, i've come to think that morals aren't as relative as most people believe.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:05 pm
FreeArsenal You know, after reading a little more through this topic, i've come to think that morals aren't as relative as most people believe. How so?
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:11 pm
WatersMoon110 FreeArsenal You know, after reading a little more through this topic, i've come to think that morals aren't as relative as most people believe. How so? Really sit down and think about it sometime... people say morality is subjective, but how does the theory of "right and wrong" affect each person? I believe there is an absolute morality, but because humans want things to be the way they want it to be they can never come to determine what it is. I'm not saying I know of the absolute morality, I'm only stating that I feel that there is one, and finding it would take discussion, not debate.
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