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are you effing serious? that's supposed to be sarcastic you idiot...

I haven't read the whole thread, because I'm really tired, it's past midnight and I need to go sleep... but here's my two cents:

- Being gay's not natural.

Whatever they may say... I have seen video footage of male bonobos (pigmy chimpanzees) going at it. I have seen video footage of female bonobos going at it. There have been documented accounts of homosexual dolphins, there were cases of male penguins who got together and "adopted" rocks as eggs that stayed together even with the introduction of more females... and I have seen, with my own two lil brown eyes, a pair of male giraffes mating in the wild.

It's found in the "natural" world. Therefore, it's natural.

- The Bible says so [Not only in Leviticus].

Not everyone is Christian. My religion says that we worship God by loving others, regardless of gender. Homosexuals could get married under the laws of my religion. Who's to tell me that Christianity is right and my belief system isn't?

- It's just gross.

That's a matter of opinion. I think male/female sex is gross. But I'm not going to b***h at my straight friends for being cutesy lovey-dovey. It's their right! And it's kinda sickeningly cute.

- It's a choice.

It's a choice to acknowledge who you are, a choice to live as a gay person, a choice to say "I'm going to live the way God made me, and screw what the world says!" But no one chooses to be gay to start with. Why choose to be persecuted by our societies, and even those we love?

Ay, but the sad reality is, for the US at least, you don't matter unless you're Christian, as far as our government's concerned. Of course, they'll protect jewish people, but that's about it. Muslim, pagans, atheists, etc. are all heathens in the eye of our government. This is never stated allowed, but it's very evident.

I do not know the way of most other countries, however, so I can only speak for the United States.

- Being gay's not natural.
Well, the animal kingdom doesn't seem to know this, then. My female dog was having quite the fun time humping another female just the other day. Poor other creature did look scandalized, though. xp

Wikipedia's article on homosexuality here has a theory that homosexual behavior is an evolutionary advantage, for dolphins at least. I don't agree with the theory, but the rather, the idea that it is an evolutionary advantage. There's whole lists of animals that participate in homosexual relationships, ranging from the occasional mating to full courtship and bonding for life while raising young (that are supplied to them, as they do not produce their own).

In Greece & Rome, there were quite a few well-documented lesbians or gays. Sappho, of course. Or perhaps, I believe I read somewhere that Alexander the Great was gay. And c'mon, Socrates & Plato and a whole slew of brilliant young men. To be gay was a sign of masculinity in some of the countries. Greek & Roman mythology certainly have enough homosexual moments to prove that.
There was even a whole army of same-sex lovers. The Sacred Band of Thebes was created because lovers apparently fought better together then random soldiers strung together.
Heck, they even held same-sex relationships in higher esteem then they did male-female ones. Though, the fact that females weren't that high status wise may have played a larger role in that...
In ancient Japanese times, the soldiers often had a younger boy in training that tagged along with each camp. This boy would basically serve as their sexual slave, and though some may find that revolting... it was to boost the morale and health and whatever of the soldiers. I'm not a fan of it, but it does show that outside of Christian society, homosexuality was a known and embraced subject. It certainly wasn't seen as unnatural. If something that has existed in animals for centuries is unnatural, then really... tell me what IS natural.


...wow, I really drifted offtopic. Whoops.

being gay is not wrong!!! nowadays, people arent forced to marry by their families or anything, like they used to (unless its part of the religion, which by the way, i think is wrong anyway). apparently we are allowed to love anyone we want... doesnt that mean we are allowed to love ANYONE we want???!!! that means it doesnt matter what race, sex, etc. we are. why should that be illegal or discriminated against? if you love someone a lot, how can you know someone doesnt love someone of the same sex just as much as you love that person of the opposite sex? the bible is written by people of that religion and it is usually the way you SHOULD live not the way you HAVE to live... so you dont have to follow it. you may think its gross, but other people may not!!! most things arent natural... crawling is not natural, but we all crawl at some time in our lives... what is the definition of natural; based on a sense of wrong and right... and love is right no matter what!!!

1. Neither are eyeglasses, automobiles, or polyester. rolleyes It's been known to occur in nature, too.

2. Five words: Seperation of Chruch and State. They can't say it's wrong if it's relating to the bible. I don't even believe in the bible, and most people don't. Biased argument.

3. That's an argument? That's a little like toddlers going 'ew, poopie!'

4. Give me proof. I've heard a theory with evidence that it relates to hormones. A lot of gay people say that they just...never were attracted to the opposite gender. Get over it.

Even though there's nothing saying "Seperation of Church and State", the arguement is that by endorsing any given religion, they are being biased towards that religion, and, thus, making it inherently official.

It's either do something in consideration of all religions or none. Thus, the religious text of one religion shouldn't be used as an arguement in government.