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sean.net

PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:10 pm


Ahh! Wall of text! Sorry, I may have to leave the discussion because I don't have the time to read a huge wall of text comparable to the Vietnam Memorial.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:02 pm


Born4TheLord
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What is Mormon? Yea that might sound like a dumb question but I know nothing of the religion except when they show the book of mormon on tv commercials.


I believe it's a cult that adds books to the Bible and allows men to have a ton of wives.
I used to be one. They do have other books in the Bible, but true mormons do not allow more than 1 wife.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:07 pm


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:45 pm


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I'm very impressed by the responses thus far. Here's what the Mormons state to be one of their beliefs:

"The Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ. It contains the writings of ancient prophets. One of these, named Lehi, lived in Jerusalem about 600 B.C. God commanded Lehi to lead a small group of people to the American continent. There they became a great civilization.

found here: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,946-1,00.html

Joseph Smith's boo-boo was a simple matter of history. Mormon's claim that over a thousand years ago lots of stuff took place in America... Dig up my backyard, and you won't find any evidence to support that. Dig up ANY American backyard, and there isn't ANY evidence of his claims."

But... if you're looking for some scrolls around the Dead Sea... you'll find the validity of the Bible.

Now, they DO state a belief in Jesus Christ as God, which is good... buuuuut

If you stop and look at everything you'll discern that it doesn't add up to Christianity.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:48 am


TheElectricSeagull
(Gosh it's cold without a shirt on)

I'm very impressed by the responses thus far. Here's what the Mormons state to be one of their beliefs:

"The Book of Mormon is another witness of Jesus Christ. It contains the writings of ancient prophets. One of these, named Lehi, lived in Jerusalem about 600 B.C. God commanded Lehi to lead a small group of people to the American continent. There they became a great civilization.

found here: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,946-1,00.html

Joseph Smith's boo-boo was a simple matter of history. Mormon's claim that over a thousand years ago lots of stuff took place in America... Dig up my backyard, and you won't find any evidence to support that. Dig up ANY American backyard, and there isn't ANY evidence of his claims."

But... if you're looking for some scrolls around the Dead Sea... you'll find the validity of the Bible.

Now, they DO state a belief in Jesus Christ as God, which is good... buuuuut

If you stop and look at everything you'll discern that it doesn't add up to Christianity.

I like this Guild by the way.


The United States is too far north, most of the Book of Mormon takes place further south in Central America.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:31 am


OutkasTeen
Born4TheLord
I think it is harmful in that as they have so many wives, don't you think they spread disease? And I watched a show on Discovery about it and the ones in Utah abuse and enslave their wives and daughters. sad


but thats 1 mormon, their not all like that, mormons in america (which are probably all the mormons), don't believe that
That's actually the fundamentalist Grouping. The largest grouping, the LDS, are actually not polygamist, and condemn those who practice it in the name of the Church.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:36 am


Jakal Saba Naor
OutkasTeen
actually, the ones in utah are the ones who aren't extremist. they gave up things like polygamy over 100 years ago to become a state, and have not practiced things like that, the ones who are extremist are people who follow under warren jeffs and still do practice polygomy, but one of us said their not christians, than why don't we call all the other denominations with different view points not christian
because other denominations don't use other books. Mormons also have the book of Mormon which was written by Mr. Mormon(can't remember his first name). Mr. Mormon got it off what he claimed to be stone tablets given to him by God's angels and that they were true. And only he could read them and only he had the key to translate them. The book contradicted the Bible on several points, polygamy being just one of them. It claimed that Satan and Jesus were spirit brothers and that God actually had sex with Mary.
Now Mormons still use this book. Clearly heresay. Clearly a different Jesus than was in the Bible. Clearly not Christian.

Other denominations only use the Bible. They interpret parts differently, but they still all agree on the same Jesus and have no different books contradicting what the rest of the Bible says.
you mean like, how Catholics use the Catechism I believe it's called, Adventists have the writings of Ellen G White, and believe it or not, Christ never laid his stamp of approval on the Bible. It is thought to be just as inspired as the Book of Momon.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:34 pm


my best friend is mormon and claims to be christian, but is not. i have talked to mormons who are now christians and they have exclaimed alot of it to me.

they keep things from the kids, they will tell them things about thier religion piece by piece so they will become brainwashed instead of getting hit w/ it all at once and going, yeah right!

they also believe that god had children and the good children go to mormon families, the bad ones don't...

they will become a god one day and have thier own planet with thier wife and have spirit children.

some still believe in haveing more than one wife, but most got rid of that belief.

most mormons do live in utah b/c that is where the temples are.

they don't believe in the trinity, they believe the holy spirit, god, and jesus are all different

they have three different levels of heaven, one if you were a pretty bad mormon, 2 if you are good, 3 if you are perfect mormon...

and that you get to heaven by good works, some of you might believe that but the bible says that it is not by good works we eneter the gates of heaven, but through jesus (aka, accepting him into your life)

there is much more, it is a twistesd religion that an INSANE man MADE-UP...

BandFreakJo


Allythea

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:53 pm


I have actually tried to read the Book of Mormon, but it is like reading a book that was wriiten by someone who is mentally ill. There is no evidence to this day of the gold tablets and conveniently so. Mormons believe that Jesus was a man who achieved becoming a god. So Mormons believe that they can become god and have there own planet one day. If you ask a Mormon which planet are they going to become god of, they can't tell you.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:13 am


I have also tried to read the book of mormon. I did not see any proof of the gold plates or anything. I was a mormon 3 years ago. 3 years ago I didn't know anything about God or Jesus or the Bible, but when I started reading the Bible on my own I started to doubt what they where telling me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:43 am


BandFreakJo
my best friend is mormon and claims to be christian, but is not. i have talked to mormons who are now christians and they have exclaimed alot of it to me.

they keep things from the kids, they will tell them things about thier religion piece by piece so they will become brainwashed instead of getting hit w/ it all at once and going, yeah right!

You mean line upon line, precept upon precept? Like how you have to learn algebra and geometry before analytical geometry and trig?

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they also believe that god had children and the good children go to mormon families, the bad ones don't...

God had spirit children the second part is false.

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they will become a god one day and have thier own planet with thier wife and have spirit children


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some still believe in haveing more than one wife, but most got rid of that belief.


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most mormons do live in utah b/c that is where the temples are.

Wasn't true the first time somebody said it and you saying doesn't make it anymore true.
List of Temples
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they don't believe in the trinity, they believe the holy spirit, god, and jesus are all different

Wikipedia
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka "Mormons," hold that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct individuals (Covenant 130:22), but can and do act together for the common purpose of saving mankind. The Latter-day Saint doctrine on the Godhead comes directly from the First Vision of the Prophet Joseph Smith (History:11). They believe this view to be supported by New Testament scriptures, including the circumstances surrounding the baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17) and Christ's prayers to God. Christ's statement that He and His Father are "one" is interpeted to mean one in purpose, which purpose they believe the Apostles were also to join as Christ prayed in His intercessory prayer: "...that they may be one, as we are."


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they have three different levels of heaven, one if you were a pretty bad mormon, 2 if you are good, 3 if you are perfect mormon...

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/d/19

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and that you get to heaven by good works, some of you might believe that but the bible says that it is not by good works we eneter the gates of heaven, but through jesus (aka, accepting him into your life)

there is much more, it is a twistesd religion that an INSANE man MADE-UP...
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:42 am


righteouschibihippo
BandFreakJo
my best friend is mormon and claims to be christian, but is not. i have talked to mormons who are now christians and they have exclaimed alot of it to me.

they keep things from the kids, they will tell them things about thier religion piece by piece so they will become brainwashed instead of getting hit w/ it all at once and going, yeah right!

You mean line upon line, precept upon precept? Like how you have to learn algebra and geometry before analytical geometry and trig?
yes, they aren't allowed to know that stuff untill theyare strong mormons and the church knows they won't turn away from the religion
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they also believe that god had children and the good children go to mormon families, the bad ones don't...

God had spirit children the second part is false.
since when does god have spirit children? we are his creation, but they believe spiriot children as in he has sex with mary and those children get sent to earth
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they will become a god one day and have thier own planet with thier wife and have spirit children


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some still believe in haveing more than one wife, but most got rid of that belief.


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most mormons do live in utah b/c that is where the temples are.

Wasn't true the first time somebody said it and you saying doesn't make it anymore true.
List of Temples
Church Statistics
i guess you didn't understand me, most mormons in the USA live in utah
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they don't believe in the trinity, they believe the holy spirit, god, and jesus are all different

Wikipedia
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka "Mormons," hold that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct individuals (Covenant 130:22), but can and do act together for the common purpose of saving mankind. The Latter-day Saint doctrine on the Godhead comes directly from the First Vision of the Prophet Joseph Smith (History:11). They believe this view to be supported by New Testament scriptures, including the circumstances surrounding the baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17) and Christ's prayers to God. Christ's statement that He and His Father are "one" is interpeted to mean one in purpose, which purpose they believe the Apostles were also to join as Christ prayed in His intercessory prayer: "...that they may be one, as we are."

ok, believe the computer, but im telling you that is their belief because i have read books about them, asked my friend, talked to relatives, and talked to previous mormons about that belief, i wouldn't lie
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they have three different levels of heaven, one if you were a pretty bad mormon, 2 if you are good, 3 if you are perfect mormon...

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/d/19

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and that you get to heaven by good works, some of you might believe that but the bible says that it is not by good works we eneter the gates of heaven, but through jesus (aka, accepting him into your life)

there is much more, it is a twistesd religion that an INSANE man MADE-UP...

oh, and i have one more thing to add to that, they believe you can only get to heaven if you are a mormon and by good works, you have to be part of the church!

BandFreakJo


BandFreakJo

PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:51 am


oh and im not allowed to look on other websites, so will you please tell me what it is about, because i know of NO proof in the bible that there is 3 levels of heaven. i believe god has reserved thrones of gold for us and a mansion for us to live in(if we were saved) and if we brought honor to god. I believe that we will sit closer to god if we bring honor to him, just as the disciples do becuase of how they served god, of course that just determines our throne, what determines our GOING to heaven, is accepting him into our life...
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:47 am


BandFreakJo
oh and im not allowed to look on other websites, so will you please tell me what it is about, because i know of NO proof in the bible that there is 3 levels of heaven. i believe god has reserved thrones of gold for us and a mansion for us to live in(if we were saved) and if we brought honor to god. I believe that we will sit closer to god if we bring honor to him, just as the disciples do becuase of how they served god, of course that just determines our throne, what determines our GOING to heaven, is accepting him into our life...

***Three Degrees Of Glory In The Resurrection***

The Apostle Paul equated Three Degrees of Glory in the Resurrection with the Sun, Moon, and Stars...

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead." [1 Corinthians 15:40-42] (Three Degrees of Glory in the Resurrection)

Jesus Christ spoke in similar terms...

"In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you." [John 14:2] (Many Dwelling Places)

The Apostle Paul also spoke of The Third Heaven...

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth wink such an one caught up to the third heaven." (II Corinthians 12:2)

Throughout the Bible, there are references to Multiple Realms: Third Heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-4), The Highest Heavens (2 Chronicles 2:6), Heavens (Ephesians 4:10), Heavenly Realms (Ephesians 6:12), Heavenly Places (Ephesians 1:20-23), and Many Dwelling Places (John 14:2).

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:03 am


BandFreakJo
righteouschibihippo
BandFreakJo
my best friend is mormon and claims to be christian, but is not. i have talked to mormons who are now christians and they have exclaimed alot of it to me.

they keep things from the kids, they will tell them things about thier religion piece by piece so they will become brainwashed instead of getting hit w/ it all at once and going, yeah right!

You mean line upon line, precept upon precept? Like how you have to learn algebra and geometry before analytical geometry and trig?

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yes, they aren't allowed to know that stuff untill theyare strong mormons and the church knows they won't turn away from the religion

The church never knows if somebody is going to turn away from the religion but one must understand the basic tennents of a religion before one can grasp at higher. God uses the same method. The Jews weren't ready for a higher law and recieved the law of Moses, then Jesus came and introduced a higher law to live. In Mormonism you aren't expected to make promises and covenents with God you aren't ready or able to keep.

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they also believe that god had children and the good children go to mormon families, the bad ones don't...

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God had spirit children the second part is false.

since when does god have spirit children? we are his creation, but they believe spiriot children as in he has sex with mary and those children get sent to earth
Since he decided to make them I would suppose. And the second part is completely false we are spirit children, to people on earth have sex to bring them to earth how the spirit children are made isn't known to us and isn't important.

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they will become a god one day and have thier own planet with thier wife and have spirit children


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some still believe in haveing more than one wife, but most got rid of that belief.


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most mormons do live in utah b/c that is where the temples are.

Wasn't true the first time somebody said it and you saying doesn't make it anymore true.
List of Temples
Church Statistics

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i guess you didn't understand me, most mormons in the USA live in utah

I understood and you are still wrong. Most temples aren't inside Utah and most of the Mormon population doesn't live in Utah.
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they don't believe in the trinity, they believe the holy spirit, god, and jesus are all different

Wikipedia
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka "Mormons," hold that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate and distinct individuals (Covenant 130:22), but can and do act together for the common purpose of saving mankind. The Latter-day Saint doctrine on the Godhead comes directly from the First Vision of the Prophet Joseph Smith (History:11). They believe this view to be supported by New Testament scriptures, including the circumstances surrounding the baptism of Jesus (Matthew 3:16-17) and Christ's prayers to God. Christ's statement that He and His Father are "one" is interpeted to mean one in purpose, which purpose they believe the Apostles were also to join as Christ prayed in His intercessory prayer: "...that they may be one, as we are."


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ok, believe the computer, but im telling you that is their belief because i have read books about them, asked my friend, talked to relatives, and talked to previous mormons about that belief, i wouldn't lie

I AM A MORMON! and that is inline with church cannon not things said by some unspecified person that you happened to meet or some unspecified book. Have you read any of our standard works besides the bible?
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they have three different levels of heaven, one if you were a pretty bad mormon, 2 if you are good, 3 if you are perfect mormon...

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/d/19

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and that you get to heaven by good works, some of you might believe that but the bible says that it is not by good works we eneter the gates of heaven, but through jesus (aka, accepting him into your life)

there is much more, it is a twistesd religion that an INSANE man MADE-UP...
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oh, and i have one more thing to add to that, they believe you can only get to heaven if you are a mormon and by good works, you have to be part of the church!

No you don't, everybody receives a degree of glory the degree depending upon one's actions in this life.

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Differing kingdoms in heaven. At the final judgment, each person will be assigned to an eternal dwelling place in a specific kingdom of glory, except those who are sons of Perdition.
Jesus said, In my Father’s house are many mansions, John 14: 2 (Ether 12: 32). There is one glory of the sun, and another of the moon, and another of the stars, 1 Cor. 15: 40-41. Paul was caught up to the third heaven, 2 Cor. 12: 2. There is a place of no glory and everlasting punishment, D&C 76: 30-38, 43-45. There are three degrees of glory, D&C 76: 50-113; 88: 20-32.




Temples of the Latter Days

Temple
Temple
Dedication Date
Kirtland (No longer owned by the Church) 27 March 1836
Nauvoo (Rededicated in June 2002) 30 April 1846

Operating Temples
Dedication Date
1 St. George Utah 06 April 1877
2 Logan Utah 17 May 1884
3 Manti Utah 21 May 1888
4 Salt Lake 06 April 1893
5 Laie Hawaii 27 November 1919
6 Cardston Alberta 26 August 1923
7 Mesa Arizona 23 October 1927
8 Idaho Falls Idaho 23 September 1945
9 Bern Switzerland 11 September 1955
10 Los Angeles California 11 March 1956
11 Hamilton New Zealand 20 April 1958
12 London England 07 September 1958
13 Oakland California 19 November 1964
14 Ogden Utah 18 January 1972
15 Provo Utah 09 February 1972
16 Washington D.C. 19 November 1974
17 São Paulo Brazil 30 October 1978
18 Tokyo Japan 27 October 1980
19 Seattle Washington 17 November 1980
20 Jordan River Utah 16 November 1981
21 Atlanta Georgia 01 June 1983
22 Apia Samoa 05 August 1983
23 Nuku alofa Tonga 09 August 1983
24 Santiago Chile 15 September 1983
25 Papeete Tahiti 27 October 1983
26 Mexico City Mexico 02 December 1983
27 Boise Idaho 25 May 1984
28 Sydney Australia 20 September 1984
29 Manila Philippines 25 September 1984
30 Dallas Texas 19 October 1984
31 Taipei Taiwan 17 November 1984
32 Guatemala City Guatemala 14 December 1984
33 Freiberg Germany 29 June 1985
34 Stockholm Sweden 02 July 1985
35 Chicago Illinois 09 August 1985
36 Johannesburg South Africa 24 August 1985
37 Seoul Korea 14 December 1985
38 Lima Peru 10 January 1986
39 Buenos Aires Argentina 17 January 1986
40 Denver Colorado 24 October 1986
41 Frankfurt Germany 28 August 1987
42 Portland Oregon 19 August 1989
43 Las Vegas Nevada 16 December 1989
44 Toronto Ontario 25 August 1990
45 San Diego California 25 April 1993
46 Orlando Florida 09 October 1994
47 Bountiful Utah 08 January 1995
48 Hong Kong China 26 May 1996
49 Mount Timpanogos Utah 13 October 1996
50 St. Louis Missouri 01 June 1997
51 Vernal Utah 02 November 1997
52 Preston England 07 June 1998
53 Monticello Utah 26 July 1998
54 Anchorage Alaska 09 January 1999
55 Colonia Juárez Chihuahua México 06 March 1999
56 Madrid Spain 19 March 1999
57 Bogotá Colombia 24 April 1999
58 Guayaquil Ecuador 01 August 1999
59 Spokane Washington 21 August 1999
60 Columbus Ohio 04 September 1999
61 Bismarck North Dakota 19 September 1999
62 Columbia South Carolina 16 October 1999
63 Detroit Michigan 23 October 1999
64 Halifax Nova Scotia 14 November 1999
65 Regina Saskatchewan 14 November 1999
66 Billings Montana 20 November 1999
67 Edmonton Alberta 11 December 1999
68 Raleigh North Carolina 18 December 1999
69 St. Paul Minnesota 09 January 2000
70 Kona Hawaii 23 January 2000
71 Ciudad Juárez México 26 February 2000
72 Hermosillo Sonora México 27 February 2000
73 Albuquerque New Mexico 05 March 2000
74 Oaxaca México 11 March 2000
75 Tuxtla Gutiérrez México 12 March 2000
76 Louisville Kentucky 19 March 2000
77 Palmyra New York 06 April 2000
78 Fresno California 09 April 2000
79 Medford Oregon 16 April 2000
80 Memphis Tennessee 23 April 2000
81 Reno Nevada 23 April 2000
82 Cochabamba Bolivia 30 April 2000
83 Tampico México 20 May 2000
84 Nashville Tennessee 21 May 2000
85 Villahermosa México 21 May 2000
86 Montréal Québec 04 June 2000
87 San José Costa Rica 04 June 2000
88 Fukuoka Japan 11 June 2000
89 Adelaide Australia 15 June 2000
90 Melbourne Australia 16 June 2000
91 Suva Fiji 18 June 2000
92 Mérida Mexico 08 July 2000
93 Veracruz México 09 July 2000
94 Baton Rouge Louisiana 16 July 2000
95 Oklahoma City Oklahoma 30 July 2000
96 Caracas Venezuela 20 August 2000
97 Houston Texas 26 August 2000
98 Birmingham Alabama 03 September 2000
99 Santo Domingo Dominican Republic 17 September 2000
100 Boston Massachusetts 01 October 2000
101 Recife Brazil 15 December 2000
102 Porto Alegre Brazil 17 December 2000
103 Montevideo Uruguay 18 March 2001
104 Winter Quarters Nebraska 22 April 2001
105 Guadalajara México 29 April 2001
106 Perth Australia 20 May 2001
107 Columbia River Washington 18 November 2001
108 Snowflake Arizona 03 March 2002
109 Lubbock Texas 21 April 2002
110 Monterrey México 28 April 2002
111 Campinas Brazil 17 May 2002
112 Asunción Paraguay 19 May 2002
113 Nauvoo Illinois 27 June 2002
114 The Hague Netherlands 08 September 2002
115 Brisbane Australia 15 June 2003
116 Redlands California 14 September 2003
117 Accra Ghana 11 January 2004
118 Copenhagen Denmark 23 May 2004
119 Manhattan New York 13 June 2004
120 San Antonio Texas 22 May 2005
121 Aba Nigeria 07 August 2005
122 Newport Beach California 28 August 2005


Temples Announced or Under Construction

Temple
Announcement Date
Cebu Philippines-29 April 2006
Curitiba Brazil-23 August 2002
Daybreak/South Jordan Utah-01 October 2005
Draper Utah-02 October 2004
Harrison New York-30 September 1995
Helsinki Finland -02 April 2000
Kiev Ukraine -20 July 1998
Panamá City Panamá-23 August 2002
Rexburg Idaho-20 December 2003
Sacramento California-21 April 2001
Tegucigalpa Honduras-09 June 2006
Twin Falls Idaho -02 October 2004
Vancouver British Columbia -02 June 2006
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