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Ailinea
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:25 pm


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:13 pm


Nicky McCloud
My poodle greatly prefers meat to everything else. Of course, poodles were originally bred as hunting dogs (thus the name, derived from "puddle"--they were water dogs).

My Lab, though...is weird, compared to other dogs I've had. He'll turn down a steak bone WITH BITS OF MEAT LEFT ON IT in favor of a potato skin. Shadow would much rather DIG UP his own sweet potatoes than eat a hamburger that's fallen off the grill.


My miniature poodle is the complete opposite: he loves any kind of plant more than anything else. Especially cabbage. You look outside and the first thing you see is a little dog grazing on the grass or any plants in our garden. He is practically a living lawn mower. Pumpkin even begs for guinea pig food! Of course, he eats dog food because that's what we give him and he assumes that's what we expect him to eat every day, but he's been a veggie maniac since day one. I don't think he'd mind dog food that tastes like his favorite treat!

But I don't know how my husky would react to veggie dog food. They're much different.

Laurylina

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Juni chan

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:56 pm


I completely disagree with vegetarian dog food. I think that's just taking it too far. Most vegetarians and vegans know that humans aren't meant to eat meat, we don't need it. But as vegetarians, you'd think most would understand the process of nature, and that dogs are carnivores and are designed to eat meat.

It just doesn't make sense to me to deprive a dog of meat. If I had the choice I would feed my dog real meat from a can because I know that instinctually, that's what she wants. However, my mom buys the dog food and she only gets dry dog food.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:13 am


I give my cat food that contains meat. i think she deserves nutrition in her diet, and i dont think i'll try the vegetarian cat food. what is in the vegetarian food? what does it contain? My cat eats mice she catches, so i think shes ok to eat food containing meat for her meals.

CazaCaz


Kaolla--Su

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:40 pm


Although the thought is nice.. I would not feed it to my Dog.

In my opinion, animals are supposed to eat meat, it's just natural and healthy for them.

Vegetarian pet food is taking it a little too far to deprive them of their own sensible diet.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:02 pm


I think feeding carnivore pets veg*n diets is wrong.

This is a HUGE debate and one that sparks many horrible flame wars in vegan communities.

I PERSONALLY have seen cats that couldn't WALK and were permanently BLIND from being fed vegan diets. They were brought into the shelter where I volunteered. I've seen several at the vet. I think it's sick and cruel for people do do that to their animals. If they're veg*n for animal rights, why would they force an unnatural lifestyle on their own beloved pets?

Dogs do better for longer on veg*n diets than cats, but I still don't think it's right or healthy in the long run.

Humans are made to be herbivores/mild omnivores and can choose a vegetarian diet. Cats and dogs are carnivores -- they have carnivore digestive systems (totally different from herbivores! different length of digestive tract, different teeth, different everything!). They are healthier on a meat diet.

If a person can't handle feeding a carnivorous pet the diet it needs, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT PET.

I do, however, feed my dog and cat healthy, organic diets. I feed Wellness brand. No byproducts and other nastiness that they try to put in pet food.

MoonJeli


Maxrb2321

PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:38 pm


I do not see it as fair
if you put your pet on a Veg*n Diet.
I mean really you get too pick
what you eat or do not eat.
Why should you have too chose for your pet?
If they love the meat that they eat let them have.
I mean really its their choice, and even if
they can not stand up and tell you
what they want, dont just rip it out
of their diet altogether.

You can feed them Veggies or something
as long as they have meat it is fine.
Iam a Vegan and I feed my dog
the Wet Dog food cause he loves it and
can not eat the Dry Dog food anyway.
I will even buy him his own packs
of turkey or whatever he likes because
that is what he loves. Who Iam I too deny
him what he really wants?

Plus, I think that is it just crazy too have
your pet on an all Veg*n Diet.
I also read some where were these
people put a Lion on an all Veggie Diet
that lion looked really sick and un-healthy
because they really need meat too live.

That is just taking it too far and most
people take it over-board with what
animals should or shouldnt eat.
There is a fine-line and some really miss
it when it comes too what they eat
and what they force on their pets.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:03 pm


My cat... she's a carnivore. She eats meat. That's the way it goes, and I refuse to change it.

Besides, I chose to be veggie. If I fed her this, she wouldn't be chosing. I'd be forcing her. I have a feeling that she'd choose meat over vegetables any day.

Wings Akimbo


koolchick007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:56 am


I don't think they should be forced into a vegan or even strict vegetarian lifestyle, I think dogs should get a variety of meat and veggies and cats mainly meat though my cats like other things too so yeah they should get a variety
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:42 am


I have stopped feeding my dogs and cats dry food (after realizing what was actually in it) and started giving them fresh food, some canned and supplements. Since I believe it is wrong to take meat out of their diets this means cooking real meat. It is a little more expensive but I can control where the meat comes from, what the meat is, and have more knowledge on how the meat was raised. They are benefiting well from their new diets and appreciating meal time much more. I do still give them dry and canned food but only if it is Pet Promise. They dont use any rendered or recycled meat or fats, no animal byproducts, no growth hormones, no antibiotic fed protein sources, no factory farm meat or poultry, and not preservatives.

Henbane
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Ailinea
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:05 pm


Henbane
I have stopped feeding my dogs and cats dry food (after realizing what was actually in it) and started giving them fresh food, some canned and supplements. Since I believe it is wrong to take meat out of their diets this means cooking real meat. It is a little more expensive but I can control where the meat comes from, what the meat is, and have more knowledge on how the meat was raised. They are benefiting well from their new diets and appreciating meal time much more. I do still give them dry and canned food but only if it is Pet Promise. They dont use any rendered or recycled meat or fats, no animal byproducts, no growth hormones, no antibiotic fed protein sources, no factory farm meat or poultry, and not preservatives.
I think once I get my own place and settled down with pets, this sounds like an awesome route to go.

My friend walked into PetsMart once and asked the clerk "Do you have any cat food which first ingredient isn't corn?" She blinked at him and looked at him like he was crazy.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:38 pm


Having worked for a vet's office, I can tell you that while we did not have a problem with balanced vegetarian diets for dogs (who are oppurtunistic herbivores, much like bears- in that they'll eat berries and plants naturally) if we came across someone who claimed to feed their cat a vegan diet, we reported them for animal abuse and have seen many cats claimed from their owners that way.

I have no problem with this and support it fully- my cat was harmed by it's previous owners being put on a vegan diet and I don't regret for a minute that I rescued him from that situation and that I give him meat. The people who were hurting him before were doing it out of ignorance but that doesn't excuse it- part of why so many people are vegans in the first place is typically morals and being against animal abuse- where are your morals if you're going to abuse an animal because you expect it to be physiologically like a human?!

Cats ARE carnivores- no ands, ifs, or buts about it. You MUST feed your cat meat and to not do so is cruel and unfair, and hypocritical on your part. I feel very strongly on this issue and I'm sorry if that offends people- but if you want your cat to eat cruelty-free meat that's one thing, go find it and buy it. But if you're not prepared to ensure that your pet is taken care of then don't own it.

I give my cat fresh food- eggs and dairy from the local college (cruelty-free, the chickens and cows are not slaughtered) and then meat from the local farmer's market.

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Henbane
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:10 pm


Ghost of Ailinea
Henbane
I have stopped feeding my dogs and cats dry food (after realizing what was actually in it) and started giving them fresh food, some canned and supplements. Since I believe it is wrong to take meat out of their diets this means cooking real meat. It is a little more expensive but I can control where the meat comes from, what the meat is, and have more knowledge on how the meat was raised. They are benefiting well from their new diets and appreciating meal time much more. I do still give them dry and canned food but only if it is Pet Promise. They dont use any rendered or recycled meat or fats, no animal byproducts, no growth hormones, no antibiotic fed protein sources, no factory farm meat or poultry, and not preservatives.
I think once I get my own place and settled down with pets, this sounds like an awesome route to go.

My friend walked into PetsMart once and asked the clerk "Do you have any cat food which first ingredient isn't corn?" She blinked at him and looked at him like he was crazy.


Yeah, unfortunatly many people who work at petsmart, petco and other petstores(even many vets!) are not even aware of what they feed their animals when they are feeding them packaged food. I would never think of asking anyone from petsmart or petco about my animals nutrition. I should know, I work at a petsmart gonk so I know how unknowing most of the employees are when it comes to ingredients in animal food. Also a side note when looking at the ingredients in the cat food make sure they dont do ingredient splitting which is listing meat as the main ingredient but then listing something like two seperate corn or wheat products. Pet food manufacturers do this and it is misleading you to think that a food has more meat than anything else.

It is really tough working in a place where people ask you about what to feed their dogs and cats. They want an easy, cheap answer where there is little work involved on their part. That is why processed kitty and dog food companies are so successful. There is only one food I can recommend in all of PetSmart and most people don't want to hear it because it costs a whole dollar extra.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:12 pm


Lady Adriata
Having worked for a vet's office, I can tell you that while we did not have a problem with balanced vegetarian diets for dogs (who are oppurtunistic herbivores, much like bears- in that they'll eat berries and plants naturally) if we came across someone who claimed to feed their cat a vegan diet, we reported them for animal abuse and have seen many cats claimed from their owners that way.

I have no problem with this and support it fully- my cat was harmed by it's previous owners being put on a vegan diet and I don't regret for a minute that I rescued him from that situation and that I give him meat. The people who were hurting him before were doing it out of ignorance but that doesn't excuse it- part of why so many people are vegans in the first place is typically morals and being against animal abuse- where are your morals if you're going to abuse an animal because you expect it to be physiologically like a human?!

Cats ARE carnivores- no ands, ifs, or buts about it. You MUST feed your cat meat and to not do so is cruel and unfair, and hypocritical on your part. I feel very strongly on this issue and I'm sorry if that offends people- but if you want your cat to eat cruelty-free meat that's one thing, go find it and buy it. But if you're not prepared to ensure that your pet is taken care of then don't own it.

I give my cat fresh food- eggs and dairy from the local college (cruelty-free, the chickens and cows are not slaughtered) and then meat from the local farmer's market.


That kittie is so lucky to have found you!

Henbane
Vice Captain


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:08 am


queenarmadillo
Need is a funny term, and even if you define it quite broadly as that which is sufficient for healthy life, dogs dont need meat. Dogs are naturally carniverous, but a well balanced vegetarian pet food can provide them with all the essential nutrients which they need with no proven health problems that I am aware of. People may feel odd about feeding carniverous animals only vegies, but looking at vegetarianism from a moral perspective, I would rather people did things which were unnatural, but not dangerous, for their dogs if it stops animals from being killed for food.
I personally own a cat, and as far as I know there are no commercially available vegi cat foods because cats have different dietary requirements from dogs which are not so easily catered for in this way. If there was a viable alternative which was not likely to affect her health though, (and which she would eat, is terribly difficult to find a meat one she will finish a bowl of) I would be much happier to feed her that than the meat stuff, especially given that the meat stuff is often made of the most manky offcuts anyway and is not really an adequate representation of an animals natural diet anyway.



It's already bad enough that you're keeping a dog as a PET. Cut the BS.
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