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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:45 pm
I understand your concerns... Yes, I think you should tell you friend to gain a little perspective. She should be allowed to fight her fight, but she can't drag the whole group into it, especially in its infancy and during probation. To do so would be completely self-defeating. As for the teacher... I think you should tell her you've been harassed. Harassment is anyone who intentionally makes you uncomfortable or continues an activity that makes you uncomfortable after you ask them to stop, and this is discrimination and a hate-crime too, because you're being targeted on the basis of your sexuality. I understand that you fear retaliation, but be honest here: Are you really safe if you DON'T tell someone? And if something happened, there wouldn't be any way to prove it, because you'd have told the teacher everything was fine. If need be, there are lots of politicians and organizations you can contact to aid your cause and help protect you. But in the end it's a choice only you can make: Do you live in silent fear and endure endless abuse? Or do you put yourself and your project in danger and in the spotlight by standing up to fight? There's no one right answer. I know what I would do, but I've been very lucky to have a family and a community like mine. If you need to, you can call me, AIM me and I'll give you the #.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:45 pm
these are some of the things that I was worried about, society is not always so accepting of certain factions that promot things that can be seen in negative way. There is little way to stop the actions taking place without just leaving. A movement such as you have started has brought about a massive structural shift in your schools system, people that support your actions will try to stand up for you while others will be too scared. and Of course there will also be a majority of people that will have a problem with it and then they will take the negative actions that they think are nessecary. There is no right thing to do at this point, I can't offer you any advice because you are in much deeper than I will ever be and you do live with diffrent circumstances.
As for victor, it seems as though he IS going a slight bit overboard, as though he thinks that because he has started something like this, that EVERYONE is ok with it. Homophobic people do not care about us as human beings soometimes and our actions as exersising freedoms can and usually is taken out as a strike against the boundries of right and wrong, though loving a person, not a sex is not wrong, They have been taught that it is and then we become considered wrong all the time, human civil liberties are taken away from the gay community because some man, hundreds of years ago made it that religion is against homosexuality, though from all seeming points, that is not true.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:54 pm
This is where I question myself. I know Im being harrassed, but will others believe me? Would I be safe in my silence or create more of target if I stand up?
I run the chance of ruining what Ive worked for and endured the tormenting for. Is it worth this?
Today walking out to the bus some jerk decided to intimidate me (I assume) and began banging on the lockers Right behind me as I walked along in the hall. Of course, during this he's yelling all kind of obscenities and no one around me, including teachers, siad anything to him about stopping.
I walked, kept my silence, and didnt look back. If I didnt see his face, I wouldnt be able to identify him or resent him everytime I saw him.
But then I think..are they really doing this to me or am I being paranoid? He could have been yelling at someone else, I was just right there.
Honestly, Im more scared to say something and have someone expelled for my personal safety only to have their buddies decide to gang up on me. I think my silence is stronger, if more stressful.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:58 pm
Shinobi Kitty This is where I question myself. I know Im being harrassed, but will others believe me? Would I be safe in my silence or create more of target if I stand up? I run the chance of ruining what Ive worked for and endured the tormenting for. Is it worth this? Today walking out to the bus some jerk decided to intimidate me (I assume) and began banging on the lockers Right behind me as I walked along in the hall. Of course, during this he's yelling all kind of obscenities and no one around me, including teachers, siad anything to him about stopping. I walked, kept my silence, and didnt look back. If I didnt see his face, I wouldnt be able to identify him or resent him everytime I saw him. But then I think..are they really doing this to me or am I being paranoid? He could have been yelling at someone else, I was just right there. Honestly, Im more scared to say something and have someone expelled for my personal safety only to have their buddies decide to gang up on me. I think my silence is stronger, if more stressful. You're making me nervous? Why do you doubt yourself? It sounds like you aren't safe the way things are at all. I can understand fearing for your safety. But I don't understand being afraid to get people in trouble who deserve what they get.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:18 pm
Im not the picture of credibility. ^^; And a prime target for bullies, I have been for years.
Im a smart student but clumsy and disorganized. I often get my homework done early and fall asleep. My clothes are disheveled because I dress for comfort and not for looks. Im clean but I dont go into real work to look pretty. Im straight forward to a fault.
Why am I afraid to get others in trouble when they do deserve it? I could call them on a normal account of harrassment but those who wish to attack me, not in the physical sense, would create rumors and accuse me of perosnally attacking the offender because they opposed my cause. Dont you remember being in highschool? People are vicious and turn innocent defenses into terrible lies.
In all honesty, I dont think Ive ever felt safe in school but I believe Ive developed the mindset of ignore it and it'll go away. Maybe I feel unsafe but theres nothing I can do but set a positive example. Smile, forgive, never forget, and do my best to be polite and helpful.
Its not right to think this way is it? No, probably not. I promise, though, if things become physically violent, Ill say something.
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:14 pm
Shinobi Kitty Dont you remember being in highschool? People are vicious and turn innocent defenses into terrible lies. I do remember. I remember I didn't care. People dumb enough to believe rumors never concerned me. I remember I was out, and when I heard them whisper "he's gay", I got in their faces. "What of it?" and( to boys) "Don't worry, I won't hit on you. I have good taste in men." I can see it's a little different for you. But... are you violent? Do you think people will believe you attacked someone? Shinobi Kitty Ive developed the mindset of ignore it and it'll go away. Now THAT is dangerous, and, in my opinion, foolish. It will only get worse. If you don't protect yourself, how can anyone in this group you're forming feel safe? Just be careful. And don't think it's not a big deal, it IS. What you're doing always is. If you feel you're being mistreated, there are bigger names than teachers to turn to. Why don't you write the ACLU and ask for resources and advice on your situation?
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Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:30 pm
Vague Shinobi Kitty Ive developed the mindset of ignore it and it'll go away. Now THAT is dangerous, and, in my opinion, foolish. It will only get worse. If you don't protect yourself, how can anyone in this group you're forming feel safe? Just be careful. And don't think it's not a big deal, it IS. What you're doing always is. If you feel you're being mistreated, there are bigger names than teachers to turn to. Why don't you write the ACLU and ask for resources and advice on your situation? I really can't second this strongly enough.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:39 am
Am I violent? Well this is confusing.
Im not physically violent. I dont start fights but if someone starts one with me, I cant walk away. My step dad raised me as a boy and it was, 'Ill whip your a** if you get your a** kicked by anyone, older or not.' in my house. o.o;
Now, am I of a violent mind? Yes. In the entirety. I am fascinated not only by the psychological horror movies but the gorey ones. I have always been obsessed with death and anything related. Vampires, ghosts, ghouls and the whatnot.
Sitting in the doctors office for an hour alone, I ended up with a song about cannabilism. ^^; Serial killers, as despicable as they are, are the most fascinating things. Violence, honestly, enthralls me.
I NEVER act out on my thoughts. As much as I would like to see the jerks at school dead its not my place to pass their Final Judgement because they are human beings too.
A couple of times that girls have went, 'Its ok if you like girls, just dont hit on me' Ive replied with, 'Dont worry, I think you're disgusting repulsive and unatractive.' ^^; They werent cute by my standards...
Its not that I care about what the rumors say, I care about what people say to my face. I cant stand up in class and tell them to shut up when they're sitting on the other side of the room talking about me.
Heres an example; theres a kid at my school who's always being harassed. Its gotten so bad sometimes that he has yelled at them to stop and then the teacher yells at the kid being harrassed! He cant confront them or say anything because the guys doing it are sports team members, 'good' students, and always deny it. This happens at least once a week.
Those are the same people harrassing me. You just simply cannot complain against the teachers pets, sport players, and 'good' students who then talk about the teachers behind their backs.
People will believe that I attacked someone no matter what. I do not look violent but Im quiet and I carry that aura of 'Dont ******** with me because Ill ******** back with you.' Excuse the crude language. It honestly doesnt matter that I look and act like everyone else on the outside, except a little more disheveled.
On a side note; grandmas been telling me to ignore the jerks since..kindergarden? I think that was the first time someone shoved me around at school. XD Ill have to tell grandma shes wrong.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:50 am
it only seems to be getting worse... i'm sorry.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:14 pm
Silly, theres nothing to be sorry about. It hasnt gotten worse, Ive just become more aware of the situation then I had when I was all happy and hopeful. Im just looking at it seriously and stating my concerns.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:13 pm
Shinobi Kitty Silly, theres nothing to be sorry about. It hasnt gotten worse, Ive just become more aware of the situation then I had when I was all happy and hopeful. Im just looking at it seriously and stating my concerns. ah, well awareness is always a good thing but i ask you to tread carefully with your actions, none of us want you to be in any danger. One of my friends was blamed for telling a teacher that the kid who set off the cherry bomb in class was this person, it was her that set it of, but my friend said nothing, and now there is legal action taking place due to death threats.
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:20 pm
Ill be careful as always. ^^ Thank you guys so much for your support and guidance. Your concern reminds me when Im upset to not start anything. Ill keep ya updated. ^^
Question; Would wearing handmade shirts supporting my cause be too much trouble?
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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:17 pm
Shinobi Kitty Question; Would wearing handmade shirts supporting my cause be too much trouble? You mean, would it cause too much trouble? Yes, I think so. I mean, you sound like you're enough of a walking target as it is right now -- you don't need to paint a target on your chest.
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:01 am
I could paint a target on my back..! Or..shoulders?
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Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:37 am
Shinobi Kitty I could paint a target on my back..! Or..shoulders? No, I don't think that's necessary. smile
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