→Chrom/Sumia It's already been discussed. I don't need to add to it beyond eee they're cute together
→Lissa/Frederick Also mentioned previously in the thread. I like the relationship the two have, with him getting her to shape up and her getting him to loosen up, it's a pretty healthy dynamic, I think. Plus they're cute together. Especially on the cover.
→Lon'qu/Miriel Kind of a weird couple. I like it, though. Lon'qu and Miriel compliment each other decently in battle, and I'm sure I'll see more of that when I promote Miriel.
→Gregor/Cordelia Damn, that girl needed someone that was gonna be nice to her. And Gregor is a huge Russian teddy bear. Also, mmm that move and Speed boost to Gregor. Delicious.
→Virion/Maribelle This was entirely selected for personality reasons, I am not sorry at all. It's hilarious and fantastic and Maribelle just whips him into shape by their S and it's amazing. I love it. She'll be more useful to him now, too, since she's been reclassed to Valkyrie.
→Kellam/Panne All I'm gonna say on this one is that their S and "I know you love me. I could smell it a mile away"/"I should really wash this armor..." put my mind deep in the gutter and I still haven't managed to fish it out.
They make a great in-battle duo, though. Added Speed to Kellam and added Defense to Panne.
→Donnel/Nowi I know Nowi's something like 1000 years old but the two get along so nicely and they're really cutesy and adorable and s**t I don't care I love them.
I'm also angling for Gaius/Tharja, Henry/Cherche, Sully/Vaike, and I'm still not sure if I should marry Stahl or say "Ehehehe ******** it" and marry Panne's son once I eventually get that stupid sexy bunnyboy. WE'LL SEE
If I do, though, Sully/Stahl's S is still waiting and ready. >:3
As for Astrid... It's like RD got notes on her character, but they lost all the sheets except for the one that said she escaped an arranged marriage and fell in love with Makalov, so they ramped that up to 11 and forgot to compensate with anything else.
It's a shame. Astrid has potential. Makalov does not.
[also my boyfriend is 3 years older than I am though we didn't meet until I was 16-17 and we are doing just fine about 4 years later.]
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:10 am
So... I kinda decided to start another game since I failed to level up/marry off some of the women before getting to a point where it was almost impossible to use them in battle. Therefore, I started a "canon" game with the following pairs:
Chrom/Sumia ~ I honestly thought I hated Sumia, but then I saw her first support with Chrom and promptly changed my mind. She likes animals so much that my first thought was "omg, I'm Sumia. (facedesk)"
Avatar/Lon'qu ~ Because I have the biggest crush on that man. heart
Miriel/Stahl ~ They work pretty well together... I have nothing else to add to that.
Sully/Virion ~ I did this for the S-support convo alone. Viron's reaction is just... xd
Ones I'm working on:
Cordelia/Vaike ~ Decided to put the Chrom fangirls together. IDK.
Lissa/Donnel ~ They look cute.
And I kinda want to see Owain with purple hair.
Panne/Gregor ~ Saw their C-support in my first game. That just clinched this pair for me.
Maribelle/Gaius ~ A-level support.
Nowi/Ricken ~ I have no excuse.
Tharja/Libra ~ Opposites attract? neutral
Olivia/Henry ~ "I want to see you really smile." That's all I'll say.
Cherche/Kellam ~ They're the only two left. And I'm not pairing her with Frederick.
For the RD stuff... I'm stuck in that odd place where I played RD before PoR, so I didn't like Astrid at first. I just found it hilarious how she viewed Makalov with rose-colored glasses. I didn't even know about her history for a while after I played RD.
So... I kinda decided to start another game since I failed to level up/marry off some of the women before getting to a point where it was almost impossible to use them in battle. Therefore, I started a "canon" game with the following pairs:
Lissa/Donnel ~ They look cute.
And I kinda want to see Owain with purple hair.
For the RD stuff... I'm stuck in that odd place where I played RD before PoR, so I didn't like Astrid at first. I just found it hilarious how she viewed Makalov with rose-colored glasses. I didn't even know about her history for a while after I played RD.
I decided to do a similar thing, just for different marriages though. I'm not aiming for canon pairings or anything yet. If there is such a thing. Started this file on Lunatic... And that's it, I just started yesterday.. The first level keeps kicking my butt, I figured out how to do it, but the enemies keep getting criticals on me.. I need some luck, because at this point in the game all your units are level 1 with no variation. No one can take advantage of an awesome Speed growth, etc.
Don't get your hopes up on Donnel. I paired him with Nowi and he passed down black hair. :S But lemme say, that kid looks cool with Black hair. ;D I paired Lissa with Libra.. He guards her and s**t. Both clerics, 5-letter L names. And you know me, paired Arch (MU) with Anna. Gotta love it.
PoR was the only Fire Emblem game I have only played all the way through once. (I haven't played 1-5) And I can honestly say I was mildly disappointed with PoR. I had high expectations since it was the first game to be on a console. And I knew it had 'better' graphics, but it looked extremely tacky. It was almost as if it was purely made to set up for RD. Which RD, I have played 6-7 playthroughs. I will probably play another file sometime in the near future.
However, if you play RD first, I feel like you really miss out on a lot. Like when you see the old allies pop up you're seeing them for the first time. Whereas everybody else is like "********!!" and "OMFgIt'sIkE!@~!@!~@". Definitely gives more thrills imo. Plus you never getta be like "Omg, Sothe isn't a cute lil kid anymore!!!".
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:06 pm
I actually also played RD before PoR. It made PoR seem much more lackluster in my experience. Skills can't be unequiped and reequiped? Not cute. One forge per level? Not cute. These GameCube graphics after playing RD on the Wii? Inexplicably far too not cute. I honestly preferred to play with animations off for that one. I consider RD to have some of the best gameplay in the series though. I also played RD on Normal mode my first time around, and this was back when I was… well, younger with the series than I am now. I had people say the difficulty on the middle mode was too much for a first playthrough.
It wasn't. It made PoR seem almost disappointingly easy, afterwards, though.
Conversely, playing PoR after RD gives you just as many "moments" that you might miss by playing them in chronological order. You're still seeing units for a second time so it's exciting in the same way, except it's like you're playing a prequel instead of a sequel. Instead of "Sothe isn't a cute kid anymore", it's "Sothe was such a cute (useless) kid!" Plus, Largo going from unplayable to playable is kind of awesome. So I'd have to argue, you definitely aren't missing out by playing RD first so long as you play both.
By "canon", I just meant pairing Chrom with Sumia. It's heavily implied in the opening of the game that those two would get together, although there really aren't any such things as "canon" in this game.
I also disliked the system in PoR after playing RD, but the chapters flowed so much more naturally in PoR. (I really disliked jumping around during the second part of RD.)
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:43 pm
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By "canon", I just meant pairing Chrom with Sumia. It's heavily implied in the opening of the game that those two would get together, although there really aren't any such things as "canon" in this game.
I dunno about "heavily implied" to Chrom and Sumia. >>;
Although the opening video does show that they are "canon," the story somehow makes it heavily toward MU!Female/Chrom. I dunno if it's the same for the Male MU, but it sure looks like it toward the female. >>;
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New Mawwiages: Tharja/Gaius (I love how they're both so deadpan together in battle most of the time. "Yay, danger." "Wow, fun.") Donnel/Nowi
Cherche and Virion are next.
Also, I can imagine Vaike and Lissa being a pair of fun parents. Aww.
As for the canonicity of Chrom and Sumia, there's no doubt the game pushes towards Sumia. It can't be called "canon" really, since there are other options, but it is as close as something like this can get without some official notice, I think.
Need to do this too. I played PoR before RD. RD does have better gameplay, but I don't like how it limits your unit availability for most of the game, even though everyone does come together at the end and you can take your pick of the litter then. The story isn't good enough to make the splitting as engaging as it could have been, and it feels like the game spends a lot of time jerking me around, even though I do like having an excuse to use everyone. I don't think PoR's system is bad, just that RD's is (for the most part), more refined and has more things to play around with. Overall it does offer more freedom and challenge, once you can fool around with everything.
My dislike of most of RD's story has gotten a bit of notoriety 'round here. I think PoR was full of colorful characters and excellent dialogue, and RD just failed to deliver in the writing department, for the most part. I play PoR more just because it's a more enjoyable experience for me, and I feel like the whole package comes together better than RD's does. Though I am the first to admit PoR is one of the easier FE games. Now that I'm a more experienced FE fan I wish we could have gotten Japanese maniac mode over here to up the stakes.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:21 pm
Chrom's priority list for marriage supposing he hasn't married someone by the time he has to for plot reasons is: Sumia > Maribelle > Sully > Olivia > Avatar (female)
Female Avatar is literally at the end of the list while Sumia has the highest priority. Having played as both a Female and Male Avatar now, along with the fact that they can marry anyone (and I did Female Avatar/Chrom), Sumia definitely gets the canon angle more than the Avatar, I think.
I myself consider Chrom/Sumia canon. There are other options, yes, but a video with your babymamma holding your baby really seals the deal, IMO. Options in a game where numerous pairings are possible doesn't mean a canon can't exist: FE4 Levin!Arthur is a favorite of mine, but Levin!Sety is canon. You can't even do an absolute canon run of FE4 because it seems Lachesis got around, sexually.
So I got the following marriages done with my second playthrough in progress so far:
-Chrom/Female Avatar: Super fast and easy to get done. I found their supports okay. Not the best I've seen, but alright. I prefer them both with other people, but this is a really pragmatic pairing.
-Vaike/Sully: Good, but definitely because of Vaike more than Sully. Slap Vaike onto any physical female and what them soar. Vaike seems to have really good supports with females from what I've unlocked so far; good depth in them. That said, I preferred Vaike/Cordelia, which is practically an OTP for me at this point.
-Miriel/Ricken: I hate using Ricken as a unit and found these supports to be dull. Miriel's supports in general are hit-or-miss since her unnecessarily loquacious speech can get very one note, often depending on how the other person interacts with them rather than the reverse. Miriel/Ricken DOES give great magical modifiers to the child, though.
-Cordelia/Stahl: It works. Ephy really likes this pairing, support wise. I preferred both Cordelia/Vaike AND Panne/Stahl, both in terms of supports and performance/synergy.
-Virion/Cherche: Virion is quite good, much to my pleasant surprise. I realize these two have a history, but I found their supports dull. Cherche is a major disappointment to me both as a character and unit. Panne outclasses her SO MUCH as a Wyvern Rider and benefits from being around earlier to build up supports/get married before Cherche even joins.
With the following still being works in progress:
-Maribelle/Libra: Pairing your healers together? Not the best idea, since they'll then be able to heal only one person instead of two. I find pairing healers with people to be a pain in the a**, in general. Not bad for the child, though. Also, I think Libra SUCKS compared to Anna as a unit. But her support options are very shallow, while his are quite full, unfortunately.
-Sumia/Henry: I LOVE Henry, and I love using him, but there's no denying his join time isn't the most convenient when it comes to supports. Gets a slow start, but the game is long enough to still justify it. Too soon to say how this pairing works out, but Sumia as a Dark Flier patches up Henry's class weaknesses while Henry makes Sumia's magic much more viable as a Dark Flier and pumps up the defense. I expect this to have fairly good synergy.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:45 pm
Alright guy's I'm a little confused by something. And if you haven't beaten at least paralogue 7, stop reading due to the minor spoilers.
In my playthrough, I have Chrom/Sumia and Male Avatar/Lissa, meaning that Owain is the cousin of Lucina and Cynthia. Despite this, he can get S rank support with either of them. Is this an oversight on the development team's part, did the just not want to alter the supports for all the many familial connections (Except in the case of siblings), or were things just different back then?
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:45 pm
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Alright guy's I'm a little confused by something. And if you haven't beaten at least paralogue 7, stop reading due to the minor spoilers.
In my playthrough, I have Chrom/Sumia and Male Avatar/Lissa, meaning that Owain is the cousin of Lucina and Cynthia. Despite this, he can get S rank support with either of them. Is this an oversight on the development team's part, did the just not want to alter the supports for all the many familial connections (Except in the case of siblings), or were things just different back then?
I think those supports are there because marrying your cousin isn't looked down upon as much in Japan. I don't know if the localization team didn't want to bother editing those S-supports out or if they just thought that having the option available just made more sense for the time period it's imitating.
I don't like the idea of marrying cousins (mostly just for genetic reasons, which I know don't apply in games but it still bugs me) so I'm just not going to marry Owain to any of his cousins.
Also, this is a medieval time setting where it doesn't matter as much and certainly not the first time that Fire Emblem has done incest.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:43 am
For the record, I've been trying to keep this a blind run as much as possible so I haven't been planning children at all. My reasons for them are purely bases off their conversations and usefulness in my play style. Besides, I'm not that far anyway.
My pairing so far have been: Chrom/Sumia - I thought Sumia's obvious huge crush on Chrom was adorable. Then her obsession with making him the perfect food and pleasing him kinda hit home. >>' Plus Chrom's Dual Strike+ skill really helped finish off enemies Sumia normally couldn't. And the movement made it fun to swoop down and make the enemy take Chrom's sword to the face. Frederick/MU - I absolutely fell in love with Frederick during the demo. He's a wonderful a*****e with a stick up his butt. I was determined to get closer to him just to get under his skin. My initial hopes for his supports went down hill after their C support. However, I wasn't completely disappointed with how it played out. Our wedding reception buffet will have nothing but bear. Ok, actually I just really have a thing for sharp dress men and when I realized he's got a little ribbon tie, I knew he was the one. Gregor/Nowi - This started out with pairing them up so they wouldn't die in their chapter. Gregor is such a sweetheart. I can hop on board that fantrain. Nowi's normally a bit too childish for my tastes but I think she acts more mature around Gregor. Gaius/Tharja - I had so much cute that I had to add something different to the mix. This one oozed hatesex. Gaius' sharp tongue vs. Tharja's dispisement was surprisingly entertaining. In battle the speed and skill boost from Gaius really made a difference so Tharja was rocking the battlefield. Kellam/Panne - I wanted to have Panne run around causing bunny destruction everywhere but she was just to vulnerable. Solution, pair her up with a tank. It worked surprisingly better than I thought. Though throughout the support conversations I kept imaging Kellam as a turtle. A poor maimed turtle.
In the works: Libra/Olivia - They're C support is kinda sweet and I'd like to see more. Ricken/Cordelia - I need someone to baby him around and all of Cordelia's other supports have really made me dislike how she treats the other guys (at least Gaius and Lon'qu).
I haven't decided who I'm pairing Miriel with. She has an A with both Virion and Vaike. Lissa might get the leftover since she has a C support with both them and Stahl. Con for Virion/Miriel: The power of reading/manipulating people in her hands terrifies me. Plus I appreciate two long distance attackers over one. Pro for Virion/Miriel: I usually keep them in the back so I could make use of their couple bonuses. Con for Vaike/Miriel: Vaike owns everything that comes his way unless he gets mobbed and if that happens they usually kill of Miriel first because she can't dodge 30% to literally save her life. Pro for Vaike/Miriel: Powerful mage + powerful axeman = death for all.
I might throw Donnel at Sully because I don't particularly care for either of them. Donny's at least got the cute farmboy thing going for him, but I haven't felt like babying him. With Stahl and Frederick, I didn't really have room for another horse rider so I didn't have a use for Sully.
Also might try Lon'qu/Maribelle. I don't know really depends on their supports.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:11 am
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Also, this is a medieval time setting where it doesn't matter as much and certainly not the first time that Fire Emblem has done incest.
Ain't that the truth? Jugdral, anyone?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:44 am
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Alright guy's I'm a little confused by something. And if you haven't beaten at least paralogue 7, stop reading due to the minor spoilers.
In my playthrough, I have Chrom/Sumia and Male Avatar/Lissa, meaning that Owain is the cousin of Lucina and Cynthia. Despite this, he can get S rank support with either of them. Is this an oversight on the development team's part, did the just not want to alter the supports for all the many familial connections (Except in the case of siblings), or were things just different back then?
I think those supports are there because marrying your cousin isn't looked down upon as much in Japan. I don't know if the localization team didn't want to bother editing those S-supports out or if they just thought that having the option available just made more sense for the time period it's imitating.
I don't like the idea of marrying cousins (mostly just for genetic reasons, which I know don't apply in games but it still bugs me) so I'm just not going to marry Owain to any of his cousins.
What Rath and Manic said. It was set in medieval time and incest is not weird during that time.
A little off topic, I got a B support of Yarne and Nah where Nah stated that manakete and tanguel are like cousins. I was like, "What? *stares at the two and trying to think logic* ... I don't see how two different races are related... .__.; " Anyone care to explain that? sweatdrop
A little off topic, I got a B support of Yarne and Nah where Nah stated that manakete and tanguel are like cousins. I was like, "What? *stares at the two and trying to think logic* ... I don't see how two different races are related... .__.; " Anyone care to explain that? sweatdrop
The only way I can explain that is by saying that one could call lions and tigers "cousins". Closely related species-wise, but not the same.
And a bit more off-topic, I finally got Kellam and Cherche together. Boy, that support was so underwhelming, I'm beginning to understand how Kellam keeps getting ignored.
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