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 Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:19 am
Real quick. To crush a windpipe you need substancial force above and beyond a normal unarmed attack more like jumping on a neck or hitting with a baseball bat with full power. Neck is a stong part of the body its meant to support the head the vitals are tucked back near the spine cartilage plates cover the esophogus and trakia to keep such things from occurring. More likely youll make their throat swell on the inside and restrict breathing but doubtfully stop it. Martial artist always buy an anatomy book ^^ its your best friend.
Point 2. wanna learn killing techniques take any judo throw and force em to fall on their head. It's really easy, bend your knees drive your hands at the ground. Take all the judo pins and put the chin in the crook of your elbo then apply it. Strangulations hold them on for 3-5 mins to cause brain damage and or stop the heart 10 mins for un ressucitatable status.
Point 3. Joint breaking usually takes between 3-25 lbs of pressure, depending on the joint, driven in the wrong direction. Again get an anatomy book and look in what direction a joint doesnt move then apply pressure in that direction while holding the joint still so you can continue to apply that pressure.
Final point. A pin point percise strike at a specific angle is fine if they are standing still. Use Techinques that can actually be applied in a fighting scenario.
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Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:21 pm
I'd say my art is filled with about 60-70% percent (at most) with brutal/deadly/extremely painful moves. But I know better then to share that info online, cause your almost guaranteed to get irresponsible "ninjers" and narutards who will try it out on their friends, thinking it's all a game. neutral
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:27 pm
I ******** hate when people claim their s**t is "deadly"
How do you know it can kill? Did your trainer kill somebody with it? Did you kill somebody with it?
Sure, pressure points and s**t hurt - BUT THEY ARE NOT DEADLY. You won't kill somebody by pinching them in a certain place. And if it hurts that bad, a smart person would just move away your smack you.
Sure, you can crush somebody's windpipe if you choke them. But I doubt you'd actually do and wait the entire 10 minutes to choke somebody to death.
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:39 pm
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks I ******** hate when people claim their s**t is "deadly" How do you know it can kill? Did your trainer kill somebody with it? Did you kill somebody with it? Sure, pressure points and s**t hurt - BUT THEY ARE NOT DEADLY. You won't kill somebody by pinching them in a certain place. And if it hurts that bad, a smart person would just move away your smack you. Sure, you can crush somebody's windpipe if you choke them. But I doubt you'd actually do and wait the entire 10 minutes to choke somebody to death. I agree, someone should have good reason to say their stuff is deadly before doing so. Snapping the neck, destroying organs and limbs by exploiting the weakest area of it's protection, Most of the moves in limalama cripple at the very least. (REAL Limalama, as taught by Tino Tuiolosega, Not that laughing stock "Imua Limalama")
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:42 am
Woglinde Soul Fighters Leg Kicks I ******** hate when people claim their s**t is "deadly" How do you know it can kill? Did your trainer kill somebody with it? Did you kill somebody with it? Sure, pressure points and s**t hurt - BUT THEY ARE NOT DEADLY. You won't kill somebody by pinching them in a certain place. And if it hurts that bad, a smart person would just move away your smack you. Sure, you can crush somebody's windpipe if you choke them. But I doubt you'd actually do and wait the entire 10 minutes to choke somebody to death. I agree, someone should have good reason to say their stuff is deadly before doing so. Snapping the neck, destroying organs and limbs by exploiting the weakest area of it's protection, Most of the moves in limalama cripple at the very least. (REAL Limalama, as taught by Tino Tuiolosega, Not that laughing stock "Imua Limalama") WTF is Limalima? And if Limalima was SO deadly and crippling, why isn't it a more commonly heard of martial art?
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:31 am
Reason i say its deadly is because the samurai used it on the battlefield and in life on a daily basis for reasons of hurting killing maiming for few hundred years, judo techniques are performed to lessen the risk of injury but its easy enough to put the hurt back in.
Whats this dalli lamia stuff your talking about can you put up a link?
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Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:19 am
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Woglinde Soul Fighters Leg Kicks I ******** hate when people claim their s**t is "deadly" How do you know it can kill? Did your trainer kill somebody with it? Did you kill somebody with it? Sure, pressure points and s**t hurt - BUT THEY ARE NOT DEADLY. You won't kill somebody by pinching them in a certain place. And if it hurts that bad, a smart person would just move away your smack you. Sure, you can crush somebody's windpipe if you choke them. But I doubt you'd actually do and wait the entire 10 minutes to choke somebody to death. I agree, someone should have good reason to say their stuff is deadly before doing so. Snapping the neck, destroying organs and limbs by exploiting the weakest area of it's protection, Most of the moves in limalama cripple at the very least. (REAL Limalama, as taught by Tino Tuiolosega, Not that laughing stock "Imua Limalama") WTF is Limalima? And if Limalima was SO deadly and crippling, why isn't it a more commonly heard of martial art? Just because an art is famous, doesn't automatically make it better then other art forms. For example, if a practicioner of Karate and an empty-handed practicioner of arnis with the same amount of training, (4 days a week for 2 years) I can pretty much guarantee that the Karate guy is gonna lose, especially if he was from a bullshido dojo. What i'm trying to get at is, since Karate is more widely known then arnis, doesn't make it better. (Also keep in mind that i'm not trying to say that "arnis is the best art" or anything, that's not the point.) Also, You make it sound like i'm claiming it to be as "deadly" as Dim Mak or something stupid like that. rolleyes Notice how aside from "deadly", I also mentioned the words "brutal" and "extremely painful" that compose the majority of the 60 -70% of previously mentioned "brutality". But I guess since I mentioned the word, "Deadly" you automatically assumed I was making a mountain out of a molehill right? bondage bunnie Reason i say its deadly is because the samurai used it on the battlefield and in life on a daily basis for reasons of hurting killing maiming for few hundred years, judo techniques are performed to lessen the risk of injury but its easy enough to put the hurt back in. Whats this dalli lamia stuff your talking about can you put up a link? It's Limalama (Literally "Hand of Wisdom") as for the link you requested, here's a link. Limalama is still a close-knit community, and as a result, it's difficult to find videos of the real style. If you see something called "Imua Limalama", Ignore it, one of the instructors when't all bullshido on it and called the resulting style Imua limalama. rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:57 pm
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Woglinde Soul Fighters Leg Kicks I ******** hate when people claim their s**t is "deadly" How do you know it can kill? Did your trainer kill somebody with it? Did you kill somebody with it? Sure, pressure points and s**t hurt - BUT THEY ARE NOT DEADLY. You won't kill somebody by pinching them in a certain place. And if it hurts that bad, a smart person would just move away your smack you. Sure, you can crush somebody's windpipe if you choke them. But I doubt you'd actually do and wait the entire 10 minutes to choke somebody to death. I agree, someone should have good reason to say their stuff is deadly before doing so. Snapping the neck, destroying organs and limbs by exploiting the weakest area of it's protection, Most of the moves in limalama cripple at the very least. (REAL Limalama, as taught by Tino Tuiolosega, Not that laughing stock "Imua Limalama") WTF is Limalima? And if Limalima was SO deadly and crippling, why isn't it a more commonly heard of martial art? First off, I agree and disagree with soul fighter. Hes right u cant claim that your art is deadly if u havent killed anyone with it. I mean come on that b.s. Now heres where i disagree. Not every dangerous martial art is well known . I mean just because u haven't heard of it doesn't mean others haven't (i have) and plus maybe everyone around u or in the ******** damn country doesn't know of it, that just one small part of a big world. Second a persopnm wont really hear of a deadly art in America because americans dont need it. Americans want a martial art to do that ----- looks cool with flips and spinny stuff (wushu, xma), they can do as a sport or in a tournament (muay thai , tkd)....for the exercise (cardio kickboxing, taebo)...or one where u can learn a few kicks punches and blocks ...and most importantly PAY MONEY ....and u get ur black belt wether u can fight our not. Deadly arts come from tribal places ...and have techniques like biting and eye gouging...like the phillipines and they now its deadly cuz they have 2 fight 2 survive (unlike Americans) ... well thats just my opinion
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:12 pm
When you train in the gym, you don't train to injure/kill your training partners. You go controlled. No dirty fighting to keep you going and to keep training partners going. Even in grappling, that's why you tap.
If you want to break bones, just disregard those rules. My one trainer, in his first MMA fight, broke the guys arm because he wouldn't tap
It doesn't take special training to fight dirty
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:03 pm
bondage bunnie Reason i say its deadly is because the samurai used it on the battlefield and in life on a daily basis for reasons of hurting killing maiming for few hundred years, judo techniques are performed to lessen the risk of injury but its easy enough to put the hurt back in. Whats this dalli lamia stuff your talking about can you put up a link? The samurai fought in warfare with swords. Weapons can kill. It'd of been impractical and ineffective to use hand to hand combat techniques considering the heavy armor most samurais wore. I know they trained in them for those rare occasions when unarmed but they trained to kill with a weapon. I believe the reason Soul is bringing up whether a martial art is "famous" or not makes logical sense. If a martial art is so "deadly effective" why isn't it more widespread? Why hasn't there been military efforts to integrate it into their training, which would come in handy in warfare? Why aren't criminals, thugs, gangsters not learning it?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:16 pm
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks When you train in the gym, you don't train to injure/kill your training partners. You go controlled. No dirty fighting to keep you going and to keep training partners going. Even in grappling, that's why you tap. If you want to break bones, just disregard those rules. My one trainer, in his first MMA fight, broke the guys arm because he wouldn't tap It doesn't take special training to fight dirty depends..for example in the art of kuntao....the teach alot of biting ......anyone can bite so theres no special teaching that goes on there .....but theres more of a science2 it ....the teach where 2 bite 2 disable muscle groups..and strike nerve filled areas...or dig in with the teach and pull out arteries ......sure anyone can fight dirty ...but these "deadly arts" ...should u how 2 do it effectively
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:08 pm
TaeKyon bondage bunnie Reason i say its deadly is because the samurai used it on the battlefield and in life on a daily basis for reasons of hurting killing maiming for few hundred years, judo techniques are performed to lessen the risk of injury but its easy enough to put the hurt back in. Whats this dalli lamia stuff your talking about can you put up a link? The samurai fought in warfare with swords. Weapons can kill. It'd of been impractical and ineffective to use hand to hand combat techniques considering the heavy armor most samurais wore. I know they trained in them for those rare occasions when unarmed but they trained to kill with a weapon. I believe the reason Soul is bringing up whether a martial art is "famous" or not makes logical sense. If a martial art is so "deadly effective" why isn't it more widespread? Why hasn't there been military efforts to integrate it into their training, which would come in handy in warfare? Why aren't criminals, thugs, gangsters not learning it? In referance to the idea that samurai didnt effectively train in hand to hand. The majority of warriors that people think of as "samurai" were simple retainers soldiers (your statement is true of them). But there are also the sohei (monk-ish warriors) and yamabushi (those who wait in the mountains), who were commonly paid to fight battles for those who did not have an effective military force; they regarded hand to hand combat to be a simple extension of battle and trained as so. Look into aiki-jujitsu and aiki-inyo-ho.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:06 pm
remy69 Soul Fighters Leg Kicks Woglinde Soul Fighters Leg Kicks I ******** hate when people claim their s**t is "deadly" How do you know it can kill? Did your trainer kill somebody with it? Did you kill somebody with it? Sure, pressure points and s**t hurt - BUT THEY ARE NOT DEADLY. You won't kill somebody by pinching them in a certain place. And if it hurts that bad, a smart person would just move away your smack you. Sure, you can crush somebody's windpipe if you choke them. But I doubt you'd actually do and wait the entire 10 minutes to choke somebody to death. I agree, someone should have good reason to say their stuff is deadly before doing so. Snapping the neck, destroying organs and limbs by exploiting the weakest area of it's protection, Most of the moves in limalama cripple at the very least. (REAL Limalama, as taught by Tino Tuiolosega, Not that laughing stock "Imua Limalama") WTF is Limalima? And if Limalima was SO deadly and crippling, why isn't it a more commonly heard of martial art? First off, I agree and disagree with soul fighter. Hes right u cant claim that your art is deadly if u havent killed anyone with it. I mean come on that b.s. Now heres where i disagree. Not every dangerous martial art is well known . I mean just because u haven't heard of it doesn't mean others haven't (i have) and plus maybe everyone around u or in the ******** damn country doesn't know of it, that just one small part of a big world. Second a persopnm wont really hear of a deadly art in America because americans dont need it. Americans want a martial art to do that ----- looks cool with flips and spinny stuff (wushu, xma), they can do as a sport or in a tournament (muay thai , tkd)....for the exercise (cardio kickboxing, taebo)...or one where u can learn a few kicks punches and blocks ...and most importantly PAY MONEY ....and u get ur black belt wether u can fight our not. Deadly arts come from tribal places ...and have techniques like biting and eye gouging...like the phillipines and they now its deadly cuz they have 2 fight 2 survive (unlike Americans) ... well thats just my opinion You got a point on the first part, I was just going on HOW some of the "deadly" moves intend to damage the opponent (what organs it damaged, etc.), and if it was effective in doing so in the first place. So it was kind of stupid to put the "Deadly" in there, but as I said before, Quote: Notice how aside from "deadly", I also mentioned the words "brutal" and "extremely painful" that compose the majority of the 60 -70% of previously mentioned "brutality". But I guess since I mentioned the word, "Deadly" you automatically assumed I was making a mountain out of a molehill right? Plus, i'm not about to just go out, start a fight, and kill someone just so I have the right to claim my art as "Deadly". I mean, c'mon, this isn't the feudal era. Doing so would get me into some serious doo-doo. pirate If I had to choose between the use unesecessary force for the sake of bragging rights, or trust the art, I would go with the latter.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:13 pm
TaeKyon bondage bunnie Reason i say its deadly is because the samurai used it on the battlefield and in life on a daily basis for reasons of hurting killing maiming for few hundred years, judo techniques are performed to lessen the risk of injury but its easy enough to put the hurt back in. Whats this dalli lamia stuff your talking about can you put up a link? The samurai fought in warfare with swords. Weapons can kill. It'd of been impractical and ineffective to use hand to hand combat techniques considering the heavy armor most samurais wore. I know they trained in opthem for those rare occasions when unarmed but they trained to kill with a weapon. I believe the reason Soul is bringing up whether a martial art is "famous" or not makes logical sense. If a martial art is so "deadly effective" why isn't it more widespread? Why hasn't there been military efforts to integrate it into their training, which would come in handy in warfare? Why aren't criminals, thugs, gangsters not learning it? Yes samurai had to fight with weapons. Tantojutsu tanjojutsu atemiwaza nagewaza kotewaza osaikomiwaza ukemiwaza hojojutsu shimewaza oyogijutsu and armor wearing using mending were all part of jujutsu and all soldiers learned jujutsu in combination with sword spear horse riding and bow. Few exceptions were nobles who spent their time in lofty schools of kenjutsu to refine the technique and asthetics of their skill, who were by far the best swordsmen but not necessarily soldiers at all. Disarmed unarmed grappled held down or injured samurai were still useful. Even in armor joints are easily broken. Throws were readily used to get a man on his back or face so he could be more easily killed. Pins were invented to hold an opponent down and keep his weapon occupied till other soldiers could get a clean easy kill. There are excellent books out there on feudal japan culture warfare and martial arts. Cheap easy to find one is "Secretes of the Samurai" Nothing secrete about it, its just a good resource reference. Oh and Woglinde thanks for the link i was just curious what it was ^^.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:04 pm
Soul Fighters Leg Kicks It doesn't take special training to fight dirty
Smartest thing said in the entire thread. In fact, to expand on this... it doesn't take ANY training to fight dirty.
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