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 Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:19 am
I agree, its annoying when everyone uses the same cookie cutter decks just because they want to win.
sure winning is great and all, but... is winning with someone else's idea really a win for yourself or just an empty victory?
A friend of mine is a really big Yu-gi-oh player and is, in fact, an official Judge. He knows the game better then anyone else I know, and knows how to build the winning decks, but every time he tries to help me improve my decks he always gets pissed off when i tell him: 'Dude that's just not my style.'
I would rather loose playing a deck that I made and enjoy playing with, rather then some recipe i found online that someone else came up with just to win.
That why I never understood Exodia Draw Engine decks.... ok so you can beat me by turn X... so why bother even dueling in the first place if you can win with out me even needing to be there?
empty victory....
I like monsters the can transform into super special awesome monsters. I play E heroes because they can fuse into dozens of different combos, my main synchro deck runs Stardust, Assault Mode and Shooting Star, I want to make a Gem Knight deck one day... I just love taking cool monsters and combining them into even cooler monsters. I miss my V to Z Megazoid deck crying
Thats the kind of game i like to play, maybe I wont win every time, but an even better feeling then winning just to win is winning with my own deck, that I made and enjoy playing with. Also activating Shooting Star Dragons effect and Picking up 4 turners from the top of my deck.... thats a good feeling too xp
Also i would ask, dont hate on Synchros just because you dont like them... the game is going to evolve over time and if you dont evolve with it then you're just going to get left behind, sounding like an old man telling the kids to get off your lawn razz
besides with the introduction of Mech Lords and Release of the first Exceeds in about a week, Synchros will probably start to decline as the game evolves in yet another new direction. Synchros will never go away completely, but im guessing the focus of the game will slowly start shifting to the new generation, and I'm looking forward to it.
Change is a good thing!
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:34 am
I never understood what that stands for. PrismCity sure winning is great and all, but... is winning with someone else's idea really a win for yourself or just an empty victory? Those who play know that their lists will be featured. Many of them are willing to share, many even do prior to being featured, and many decks are known by many people how they're played best prior to being featured. PrismCity A friend of mine is a really big Yu-gi-oh player and is, in fact, an official Judge. He knows the game better then anyone else I know, and knows how to build the winning decks, but every time he tries to help me improve my decks he always gets pissed off when i tell him: 'Dude that's just not my style.' That's simply what you want, just as it is for everyone playing top tier/similar decks. PrismCity I would rather lose playing a deck that I made and enjoy playing with, rather then some recipe i found online that someone else came up with just to win. This argument needs to stop. Because they play a deck you're familiar with for winning, it doesn't mean they don't have fun. Really, when it comes down to this argument, it turns you into a hypocrite. People still play the same decks, still win, still have fun, and you're still here complaining about it. And you like to think you're the one having fun? PrismCity That why I never understood Exodia Draw Engine decks.... ok so you can beat me by turn X... so why bother even dueling in the first place if you can win with out me even needing to be there? I really should leave this part for Molestation, since he's far more experienced in FTKs than I am. Though, I find solitaire duels boring. You don't decide that. PrismCity Thats the kind of game i like to play, maybe I wont win every time, but an even better feeling then winning just to win is winning with my own deck, that I made and enjoy playing with. Again, people who play the decks have fun with it. There's no better way to start on a deck than to see the best example of it, either. Sure, I may get the bad note from you or others by net-decking, but there's no argument that it is the best way to see what they did and why. What cards are used, how the cards work together, hidden combinations that no one's really thought of, etc.. And, once I have a full understanding of that deck, I adjust it for what's more appropriate for me. A change here and there, substitute something in the Extra Deck that I don't own, and side differently for preference. The deck I wanted to learn is now my own. PrismCity Also i would ask, dont hate on Synchros just because you dont like them... the game is going to evolve over time and if you dont evolve with it then you're just going to get left behind, sounding like an old man telling the kids to get off your lawn razz THANK you.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:08 am
Mustard Like Soup I never understood what that stands for. It stands for Anti-Sportsmanship Spirit. but it's a good acronym, since it's pronounced a**, which your opponant might be when being unsportsmanlike.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:33 am
Mustard Like Soup PrismCity That why I never understood Exodia Draw Engine decks.... ok so you can beat me by turn X... so why bother even dueling in the first place if you can win with out me even needing to be there? I really should leave this part for Molestation, since he's far more experienced in FTKs than I am. Though, I find solitaire duels boring. Sigh, if I must. I've been really avoiding this thread, it's nothing but a headache for me. Solitaire decks are played for three reasons. The first is the fact that they win. Winning means you are understanding the deck, it's showing consistency, and it's getting close to being ready for actual competition. You know, tournaments, those things where you spend money attempting to make money along side the idea of having fun. The second reason is the rush. You're using a machine with 40 different pieces and when it's working at 70% efficiency, you lose. You see your available resources and know that out of the next 28 cards you have 13 that can win you the duel then, 5 that can let you survive the turn, and the rest will screw you over. So your next draw is a hardcore gamble. The final reason is the beauty. To see a machine with these 40 different parts all working in harmony towards a single goal is fantastic. This is why I ran DDT for the longest time. From an opponent's perspective, there's always the aspect that you need to find a wrench to throw into the opponent's gears as quickly as possible. Your normal responses to slower, more flexible decks, aren't going to work against these FTKs. You must think on your feet and get in their -quickly-. FTKs are hideous and beautiful all at the same time. Also, there are no FTKs that are current consistent enough to deem worth of bitching over.
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Gravitational Molestation
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:47 pm
Obviously you misunderstand what I was trying to say...
If i somehow gave the impression that I was speaking for other people then I apologize, i was only stating my opinions. and my opinions will not change just because you break my post apart and try to prove me wrong...
I never said that people who play with net decks dont have fun, I just feel they are having fun for the wrong reasons.
winning just to win, thats pointless in my opinion...
Theres nothing wrong with going online, finding ideas that other people have tried and use them as a basis for making your own deck and building your own ideas off of them, That how i built my shooting star dragon deck. I found ideas and put them together in my own unique way, but i cant claim full credit for building the entire deck on my own. but even still I doubt very much you will come across another deck that is anything like mine.
what I am complaining about is people that just look up tier one deck lists and use them with out changing anything about them... I just cant understand how that can be enjoyable.... I'm not saying it isnt fun for other people, but in my opinion its just seems pointless.
if you wanna build a deck someone else made fine, if you enjoy using someone else's hard work to win, fine. I dont care what you do... I would not find that enjoyable so I dont do it...
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:12 pm
Well, well, well... What do we have here? I'm absent from the guild for awhile and then you guys try to have a big discussion without me? And a bunch of the guild's regulars/most popular users are here, too: Yusaru, Tsukinoki, Mustard Like Soup, Gravitational Molestation, TwinHeart, axean, and now myself? What is this...? A guild reunion? xd
Anyway, on subject, I don't agree with this at all. I think these top tier decks are what make the game interesting. It's a challenge to beat 'em, and you're also able to do as Mustard Like Soup said and make decks your own. You can take a previously built deck and make it your own -- find new strategies for it, throw in your own preferences, and [basically] make whatever changes you want to it: question is, can you still make it work? It's up to you to make it your own while keeping it functional. Substituting the cards isn't that difficult.
Also, these top tier decks make a good challenge for people to try and create their own deck(s) that can defeat them. It gives other people something to strive to defeat, or to accomplish building, or to achieve making it their own entirely. These top tier decks are, in my opinion, some core pieces to the game of Yu-Gi-Oh!.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:15 pm
PrismCity Theres nothing wrong with going online, finding ideas that other people have tried and use them as a basis for making your own deck and building your own ideas off of them, That how i built my shooting star dragon deck. I found ideas and put them together in my own unique way, but i cant claim full credit for building the entire deck on my own. but even still I doubt very much you will come across another deck that is anything like mine. PrismCity what I am complaining about is people that just look up tier one deck lists and use them with out changing anything about them... I just cant understand how that can be enjoyable.... I'm not saying it isnt fun for other people, but in my opinion its just seems pointless.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:31 pm
Amensu Saje That is one of the things that gets on my nerves, but everybody does have to start somewhere. Some people might start with a build that somebody else came up with, but in time they may/can change it to their own thing. It's not too hard to do, as Mustard Like Soup pointed out. If someone wants to start with a deck list they find online and plans to build off of it from there and make it into their own deck then thats totally fine. this is an old and ridiculously complex game, i wouldnt expect anyone to be able to jump into it for the first time and be able to pull a deck out of their butt.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:03 pm
I agree on this. I hate facing top tier decks. I use a zombie deck, heck I used it before zombies were cool. I haven't played recently though. Are they still popular? I don't know. I get tired of dueling after 1 match with a top tier deck. I can still beat them though.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:03 pm
PrismCity If i somehow gave the impression that I was speaking for other people then I apologize, i was only stating my opinions. and my opinions will not change just because you break my post apart and try to prove me wrong... There's a definition for putting your own opinion above all else; the opinions of others, and known or unknown facts. It's called ignorance. Facts and understanding come before opinion. PrismCity That was my opinion, I never said that people who play with net decks dont have fun, I just feel they are having fun for the wrong reasons. winning just to win, thats pointless in my opinion... It's a thrill to win, and we all play to win. If you'd like to disagree with that, you can gladly open up the Rulebook in reference to the game's objective. PrismCity but i cant claim full credit for building the entire deck on my own. No one has ever claimed to take full credit. People know these decks exist. PrismCity what I am complaining about is people that just look up tier one deck lists and use them with out changing anything about them... Have you taken all of these decks, side-by-side, and compared them, card-by-card, to be the same as something you've seen before? No? Baseless speculation. People can build the same themed deck, mostly the same way, without reading a decklist. It's because for the most part, that deck is near-unanimously decided to work best that way. There's nothing wrong with speculating a deck, and wanting to build it as it performs best. PrismCity I'm not saying it isnt fun for other people, but in my opinion its just seems pointless And by voicing your own opinion, you are indirectly saying they're wrong for their own. Again, ignorant. PrismCity if you wanna build a deck someone else made fine, if you enjoy using someone else's hard work to win, fine. Again, baseless speculation whether that person had actually used a deck that previously existed as a base, or if they're simply one of the near-unanimous. PrismCity I dont care what you do... I would not find that enjoyable so I dont do it... And, that's really all you should say. Don't force your opinion onto other people, like the OP here. Plzkthx.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:16 pm
Ok wow... just wow... i was just going to ignore all of this and move on because its clear to me that you completely misunderstand any what i'm trying to say... But this is just... Wow.... Mustard Like Soup Don't force your opinion onto other people, like the OP here. Plzkthx. Do you not realize you are doing exactly what you are you falsely accusing me of doing? take your own advice dude...
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:30 pm
Just got off from a double shift working in an amusement park.... I see this load of bologna... What the cheese... Put some mold on these 2 pieces of bread and toss the sandwhich in the trash....
Net Decks are Net Decks. 99.999 to the infinite power 9, are more likely than not evolved....into the next new popular net deck. People will ALWAYS want to have the best and use it. Wether for status, fame, or just that arse whipping they like to dish. You can't change others unless you first change yourself.
Now shut the hush puppy up and create a deck that will become the next super net deck. After all imitation is the ultimate form of flattery....
((BRB I'm STARVING.....))
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Gravitational Molestation
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:45 pm
It's obvious what you're saying. You're saying that you want to run the deck you like and are tired of facing top tier after top tier. You think that those top tier players are playing the game with the wrong mentality. Simply because they have fun doesn't mean they're having the right kind of fun. You think that playing a top tier deck and having fun with it is the wrong kind of fun.
Well, who, the, ********, are you to judge?
People play what they enjoy playing, period. No one will play something they are "forced" to play. Always there will be a desire to play whatever they are playing. So, deal with it or stop playing the game.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:30 pm
PrismCity Mustard Like Soup Don't force your opinion onto other people, like the OP here. Plzkthx. Do you not realize you are doing exactly what you are you falsely accusing me of doing? take your own advice dude... I was really just explaining that people are still going to do what they're going to do, and you shouldn't be so ignorant as to place your own opinion on top when concerning yourself with things you don't understand or can't be proven. But, okay, keep saying I'm the one forcing anything with anything but fact.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:50 pm
how about we all forget this post ever existed and get to work on the next big thing like one of the previous posts says >.>
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