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 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:11 pm
Cobra_X iAkura-kun Cobra_X Akura, are you referring to Evolution as a whole... or Human Evolution?
...Personally, I'm with your friend on the Human side. I think that Man being made 'In the Image of God' separates him from the rest of creation in that way.
However, if you're referring to just basic evolution, like for everything else, I think it makes sense to believe in it. I mean, fossil records prove that evolution is real to a degree... and observation tells us that it makes sense. Evolution as a whole. There is not if, or but's about human evolution since it explicitly says God made man at his image.
So what's his hold up with evolution? He doesn't think it could happen because it says God 'Created the animals' rather then having animals evolve to be the creations they are?
...I'm guessing that's what his argument is, right?No, he thinks humans where once Monkeys on trees. His argument was that there is no way a Christian could belive in evolution because that which is the core of evolution is against the creation as it is in the bible
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:21 pm
iAkura-kun Cobra_X Akura, are you referring to Evolution as a whole... or Human Evolution?
...Personally, I'm with your friend on the Human side. I think that Man being made 'In the Image of God' separates him from the rest of creation in that way.
However, if you're referring to just basic evolution, like for everything else, I think it makes sense to believe in it. I mean, fossil records prove that evolution is real to a degree... and observation tells us that it makes sense. Evolution as a whole. There is not if, or but's about human evolution since it explicitly says God made man at his image. Just say that even though God created the animals, it never said they didn't change afterward. God created them in the beginning. So since then the animals could have evolved. some might have come from protien in the ocean. but God guided it all the way. Think of evolution as God experimenting with things. Because as the Bible progresses, to me atleast, it seems like God'll try one thing, if it blows up, God either lashes out or God just tries something else. Much like a child. ( I do not think that God is a child, but he did have quite a temper in biblical times, and after doing something terrible, such as the flood, God immediatly said God would never do it again, like God was sorry. Just seems like everytime I did something like that as a child I said I'd never do it again. ) Also, I didn't use He to refer to God because God describes himself as the fireand the wind. god neve gives his gender. Jesus is the one who told us to call him Abba, or Papa. ( Literal translation there. Jesus almost never called him father, only Papa, or daddy. ) Also, the new testiment was originally written in Greek. A language which Jesus would have been fluent, since it was more direct than the flowery language of the Hebrews. Jesus probably rarely spoke it since what he normally says is precise and without wavering intentions.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:25 pm
iAkura-kun Cobra_X iAkura-kun Cobra_X Akura, are you referring to Evolution as a whole... or Human Evolution?
...Personally, I'm with your friend on the Human side. I think that Man being made 'In the Image of God' separates him from the rest of creation in that way.
However, if you're referring to just basic evolution, like for everything else, I think it makes sense to believe in it. I mean, fossil records prove that evolution is real to a degree... and observation tells us that it makes sense. Evolution as a whole. There is not if, or but's about human evolution since it explicitly says God made man at his image.
So what's his hold up with evolution? He doesn't think it could happen because it says God 'Created the animals' rather then having animals evolve to be the creations they are?
...I'm guessing that's what his argument is, right?No, he thinks humans where once Monkeys on trees. His argument was that there is no way a Christian could belive in evolution because that which is the core of evolution is against the creation as it is in the bible Well, we could be related to monkeys because according to some theories, AIDS came from a human fornicating with a Monkey. and AIDS has been around from centuries, but only discovered in the latest two centuries. So maybe a person from way far back made a monkey baby, and over time the human genes took hold of the new species and they becam Human, this would directly link the two species, and since it can't be proven, It is a sound hypothesis.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:30 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Heh, I've got a question. I've been given the same answers by two different priests of two different denominations, I wonder if I'll get the same answer here. In the bible, It says. " We shall make Man in OUR image. " It never says in MY image, only in OUR image. Why is this?
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... which exist as 3 in 1.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:37 pm
iAkura-kun Cobra_X iAkura-kun Cobra_X Akura, are you referring to Evolution as a whole... or Human Evolution?
...Personally, I'm with your friend on the Human side. I think that Man being made 'In the Image of God' separates him from the rest of creation in that way.
However, if you're referring to just basic evolution, like for everything else, I think it makes sense to believe in it. I mean, fossil records prove that evolution is real to a degree... and observation tells us that it makes sense. Evolution as a whole. There is not if, or but's about human evolution since it explicitly says God made man at his image.
So what's his hold up with evolution? He doesn't think it could happen because it says God 'Created the animals' rather then having animals evolve to be the creations they are?
...I'm guessing that's what his argument is, right?No, he thinks humans where once Monkeys on trees. His argument was that there is no way a Christian could belive in evolution because that which is the core of evolution is against the creation as it is in the bible
In reality, there's nothing that says that evolution couldn't have happened under God's supervision. Science certainly backs up the claim that evolution is real, and certainly fossil records and the like also prove it to be a true phenomenon of the earth. Just because you don't believe in HUMAN evolution, doesn't mean you can't believe in evolution at all. that's just plain silly.
The Coelacanth, or however you spell that was once thought to be extinct for thousands of years until they found some living in the Pacific Ocean. Comparisons to thousand year old fossils revealed that the coelacanth has evolved VERY little, even over some odd thousands of years... so clearly there are models of both evolution happening on short time tables, and then some things NOT evolving over time for whatever reason as well.
I think it's perfectly feasible to believe in both the theory of Evolution, but also to believe in God's creation of the world. there is nothing to say that he couldn't guide and direct all things, including evolution.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:41 pm
Cobra_X iAkura-kun Cobra_X iAkura-kun Cobra_X Akura, are you referring to Evolution as a whole... or Human Evolution?
...Personally, I'm with your friend on the Human side. I think that Man being made 'In the Image of God' separates him from the rest of creation in that way.
However, if you're referring to just basic evolution, like for everything else, I think it makes sense to believe in it. I mean, fossil records prove that evolution is real to a degree... and observation tells us that it makes sense. Evolution as a whole. There is not if, or but's about human evolution since it explicitly says God made man at his image.
So what's his hold up with evolution? He doesn't think it could happen because it says God 'Created the animals' rather then having animals evolve to be the creations they are?
...I'm guessing that's what his argument is, right?No, he thinks humans where once Monkeys on trees. His argument was that there is no way a Christian could belive in evolution because that which is the core of evolution is against the creation as it is in the bible
In reality, there's nothing that says that evolution couldn't have happened under God's supervision. Science certainly backs up the claim that evolution is real, and certainly fossil records and the like also prove it to be a true phenomenon of the earth. Just because you don't believe in HUMAN evolution, doesn't mean you can't believe in evolution at all. that's just plain silly.
The Coelacanth, or however you spell that was once thought to be extinct for thousands of years until they found some living in the Pacific Ocean. Comparisons to thousand year old fossils revealed that the coelacanth has evolved VERY little, even over some odd thousands of years... so clearly there are models of both evolution happening on short time tables, and then some things NOT evolving over time for whatever reason as well.
I think it's perfectly feasible to believe in both the theory of Evolution, but also to believe in God's creation of the world. there is nothing to say that he couldn't guide and direct all things, including evolution.Alright, thanks Cobra ^^ Now if you could go back me up in the Puppet Discussion going on I'd be awesome. Oh and you studied Biology in Collage right?
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:44 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Just say that even though God created the animals, it never said they didn't change afterward. God created them in the beginning. So since then the animals could have evolved. some might have come from protien in the ocean. but God guided it all the way. Think of evolution as God experimenting with things.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:46 pm
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz Just say that even though God created the animals, it never said they didn't change afterward. God created them in the beginning. So since then the animals could have evolved. Just throwing this out there... Quote: 20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Now, skipping past what you're probably expecting, that being the argument that God brought forth life from the earth, not from the ocean onto the earth. But I have something else to point out here. Quote: 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Quote: 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Now, in both of those verses, God creates the animals, the fish, and the birds. And then each verse ends with "and God saw that it was good." Now, you tell me this. If God thought it was good, why would he later decide to change it? If it was good when he made it, where is there space for it to get better? Because in the eyes of a Christian, if God called something good, that wasn't the same as if you or I called it good. If God called it good, it was the best it could possibly be. So, if it was already as good as it could be, it couldn't get better, right? So would that mean, if evolution was true, it got worse? Why would God put a system in place that would make his perfect creation worse? Wouldn't that make it not good? If that was the case, God wouldn't have called it good, would he have? ~ With that said, I'm not really interested in joining the debate. As far as Evolution vs Creation goes, it's never going to be settled on this earth so long as people can argue. Just thought I'd throw that in there.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:47 pm
iAkura-kun Alright, thanks Cobra ^^ Now if you could go back me up in the Puppet Discussion going on I'd be awesome. Oh and you studied Biology in Collage right?
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:48 pm
Cobra_X iAkura-kun Alright, thanks Cobra ^^ Now if you could go back me up in the Puppet Discussion going on I'd be awesome. Oh and you studied Biology in Collage right? Akura likes.... Remind me to once I gradate to add you on Msn so you can help me out once I get to collage.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:51 pm
@Hinote: I think God can also look at evolution and say that "it is good."
...there is nothing to say that in the creation of all of that, that Evolution was not pivotal in the development of all of those animals. And if they were all "good" as God deemed them to be, evolution itself served it's purpose to create the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth just as he had wanted them to be... while leaving room for them to grow, evolve and fill the spaces which he had created.
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:53 pm
iAkura-kun Cobra_X iAkura-kun Alright, thanks Cobra ^^ Now if you could go back me up in the Puppet Discussion going on I'd be awesome. Oh and you studied Biology in Collage right? Akura likes.... Remind me to once I gradate to add you on Msn so you can help me out once I get to collage.
A collage is a work of formal art, primarily in the visual arts, made from an assemblage of different forms, thus creating a new whole.
College is where you go to get a higher education, (such as learning how to proper spell College... heart )
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:57 pm
Cobra_X iAkura-kun Cobra_X iAkura-kun Alright, thanks Cobra ^^ Now if you could go back me up in the Puppet Discussion going on I'd be awesome. Oh and you studied Biology in Collage right? Akura likes.... Remind me to once I gradate to add you on Msn so you can help me out once I get to collage.
A collage is a work of formal art, primarily in the visual arts, made from an assemblage of different forms, thus creating a new whole.
College is where you go to get a higher education, (such as learning how to proper spell College... heart )It was a typo... English isn't my language dude. I don't tend to use it as an excuse.. .But it's the reason why my Rp posts/ Grammar are suckish at times... In other news... Cobra... I can has you as my Biology mentor for college?
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:05 pm
iAkura-kun It was a typo... English isn't my language dude. I don't tend to use it as an excuse.. .But it's the reason why my Rp posts/ Grammar are suckish at times... In other news... Cobra... I can has you as my Biology mentor for college?
...and sure, I guess. I'll likely still be on Gaia, and the PM box is always open.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:12 pm
Cobra_X @Hinote: I think God can also look at evolution and say that "it is good."
...there is nothing to say that in the creation of all of that, that Evolution was not pivotal in the development of all of those animals. And if they were all "good" as God deemed them to be, evolution itself served it's purpose to create the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth just as he had wanted them to be... while leaving room for them to grow, evolve and fill the spaces which he had created. This is true. I don't believe it myself, but it remains a possibility. In the end, one can only speculate until the end comes and all is revealed. I do however, hope that we don't decide evolution is true based on yet another archeological mistake. A mutated chicken skeleton welded to a chimp would not make for a good missing link. Unless of course the link was in a certain scientist's synapses...I do however love the fact that we still push for evolution despite discoveries having been made, that in Darwin's own words, would completely disprove his theory. Not to mention he said himself that it was false before he died... Yeah... Gotta love scientists.
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