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Michael Noire

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:36 pm


The rose in spring
Rob the Crowing

I don't know anything about bullion, but I do wanna invest in gold after I actually get a good sum of money so I'm hoping to learn about it.

Don't. Right now, the price of gold is going up in value the same way the stocks did in 1929 and the way houses did in 2008. To put it in very simple terms if you invest in gold, then you will pay a lot and then the gold market will crash and gold will be worthless. To be honest, people talk about the gold standard as if gold stays up in value. It's not true. Gold is a metal and since it's a metal, its value is determined by the British (London Metal exchange). If the demand for gold drops from a very likely event such as being too expensive to buy, then the value will drop. If you think that gold standard is the best idea, then understand this. Gold was the standard when the markets fell during the depression. There was a reason why we abandoned it.


I disagree. Gold is too unstable for something so predictable. It would be more accurate to say something like, "global fiat currency", "one world order", "mass confiscations at gun point", or "renationalization of gold standard", but in any of these scenarios, simply not talking about it and holding on to it means in some odd years or decades, it turns into your grandkid's college fund.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:25 am


Michael Noire
The rose in spring
Rob the Crowing

I don't know anything about bullion, but I do wanna invest in gold after I actually get a good sum of money so I'm hoping to learn about it.

Don't. Right now, the price of gold is going up in value the same way the stocks did in 1929 and the way houses did in 2008. To put it in very simple terms if you invest in gold, then you will pay a lot and then the gold market will crash and gold will be worthless. To be honest, people talk about the gold standard as if gold stays up in value. It's not true. Gold is a metal and since it's a metal, its value is determined by the British (London Metal exchange). If the demand for gold drops from a very likely event such as being too expensive to buy, then the value will drop. If you think that gold standard is the best idea, then understand this. Gold was the standard when the markets fell during the depression. There was a reason why we abandoned it.


I disagree. Gold is too unstable for something so predictable. It would be more accurate to say something like, "global fiat currency", "one world order", "mass confiscations at gun point", or "renationalization of gold standard", but in any of these scenarios, simply not talking about it and holding on to it means in some odd years or decades, it turns into your grandkid's college fund.

Gold is an item of value and it's not a fixed value either. If you do not believe me, then you should take a look at this.
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http://goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html

Basically if you look at the trend, gold is going up in value. Is that good? It is for people who are selling gold, but that's not going to be sustainable forever considering that gold has been reaching record highs. Likewise, if you look at the Dow Jones graph historically, it too had an inflation.
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The problem with materials raising in price is that the value goes up while workers are still making the same amount of money. That makes it harder for people to afford said item. Once that happens, it's called a bubble and once you have a bubble, the smallest thing can make it burst. Then once that happens, the value will drop dramatically.

TL/DR; it'll be worthless at this rate. Recessions, depressions and panics have the characteristics of hyper deflation. It's not as good as it sounds, especially when that means an item is useless.

Oh but what do I know? I have only studied economics for years on end rolleyes

The rose in spring


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:37 pm


I'm sure most of the members of this guild have studied economics for years on end. When I got interested in gold, it was about $325/oz. I kept telling people "buy gold", but never did myself. Since then, the price of comic books, gasoline, and milk have all risen to approximate the rise of gold - that is, until China, India, and the Euro.

Each of these have very different things to say, and a recent astronomy report tells us even more.

1. China is buying gold like an Egyptian Pharoah obsessed with remaking a Brendon Fraiser movie - by the millions. They are buying it for luxury as well as for electronic components, since they have a tech sector that could feasibly quadruple in the next 10-15 years. That's going to drive the price of gold through the roof.

2. India is now sifting through ancient temple hoards of gold, apparently measured in tons. While still in debate, that has the possibility of flooding the market down the line, but not in literal, but rather digital paper/paranoia terms. That will bring the price of gold down, and compete with the reality of Chinese investment.

3. Italy and Greece are causing Germany to s**t Hitlers. That's possibly the crudest and best way to describe the politics right now, because sadly, this is the reality: Germany is the core of the European economy; the european economic force is trying to centralize its power and take over the European polity; Germany doesn't want to be stuck to the failures of Greece and Italy; Greece wants to devalue their native currency and stick it to Germany; Germany is the most advanced economy and military in the Eurozone and they are still butt hurt over WWII; the US Fed is thinking about NOT bailing out the Euros right now; Switzerland was recently talking of converting to the Euro and fiat currency instead of a gold standard; China is thinking of Bailing out Italy; the Euro is either going to devalue or implode; or WWIII

4. Astronomers recently reported our Gold, the stuff we find on the surface is actually from meteors and our own earth gold is already part of the molten core, so whatever estimates we thought we had are completely off; the amount of 'deep digging' for gold could be a total lie.

Did I mention before Fukushima, Japan started making gold available in vending machines as a response to the American economic crisis?

What does this all mean?

It means more gold going into the Indian Economy from thin air,
more fiat debt from the US being traded for real Gold going into China
Chinese currency being devalued by failed Italy
Germany economy being destroyed by failed Greece
US Dollar being jerked around like a man whore in a bondage club


Japan China India having s**t tons of Gold
Americans having s**t tons of Inflation
Germany having s**t tons of Hitlers

We're ********.. fo-sho...

but let's be sensible. After The Great Depression and WWII, just a few years after cities were firebombed or nuked, we had something of a golden age of exploitation - those with the gold exploited everybody else because bullion was the only stable currency in a time when people would sell their houses for a dollar. I'll try to post some relevant article/charts in a bit.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:56 pm


a cute little slide show on who's got what:
http://www.futuresmag.com/Exclusives/2011/8/Pages/Global-Gold-Holdings.aspx?page=1

22 billion in treasure found in Indian temple:
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Gold-treasure-at-India-temple-could-be-the-largest-in-the-world-40475-3-1.html

Italy could be bailed out by China:
http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/china-buys-italian-debt-china-italian/9/13/2011/id/36857


gold vending machines in Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_HhS6HTwEI

Germany not happy with Greece:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2011/0913/In-Germany-considering-a-eurozone-minus-Greece


My point is there's a big s**t storm heading for those giant European Windmills we drove by in 2008.

Michael Noire


The rose in spring

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:21 am


Michael Noire
1. China is buying gold like an Egyptian Pharoah obsessed with remaking a Brendon Fraiser movie - by the millions. They are buying it for luxury as well as for electronic components, since they have a tech sector that could feasibly quadruple in the next 10-15 years. That's going to drive the price of gold through the roof.

No. China right now has a gigantic economic bubble and once it does burst, then the value of the Yuan will go up. That means the exchange rate will make gold very cheap.

Michael Noire
2. India is now sifting through ancient temple hoards of gold, apparently measured in tons. While still in debate, that has the possibility of flooding the market down the line, but not in literal, but rather digital paper/paranoia terms. That will bring the price of gold down, and compete with the reality of Chinese investment.

Which means a bigger supply and less value. Plus they are selling gold more than anything which helps their GDP. They certainly not hoarding it to stay.

Michael Noire
3. Italy and Greece are causing Germany to s**t Hitlers. That's possibly the crudest and best way to describe the politics right now, because sadly, this is the reality: Germany is the core of the European economy; the european economic force is trying to centralize its power and take over the European polity; Germany doesn't want to be stuck to the failures of Greece and Italy; Greece wants to devalue their native currency and stick it to Germany; Germany is the most advanced economy and military in the Eurozone and they are still butt hurt over WWII; the US Fed is thinking about NOT bailing out the Euros right now; Switzerland was recently talking of converting to the Euro and fiat currency instead of a gold standard; China is thinking of Bailing out Italy; the Euro is either going to devalue or implode; or WWIII

You did get the part where I said that the US dollar was backed up by gold DURING the great depression. That alone proves that gold doesn't have a standard. It is vulnerable to market forces the same way everything else is. This whole Euro crisis is very exaggerated. The value of the Euro despite the bailouts has remained far above the value of the American and Canadian dollars.

Michael Noire
4. Astronomers recently reported our Gold, the stuff we find on the surface is actually from meteors and our own earth gold is already part of the molten core, so whatever estimates we thought we had are completely off; the amount of 'deep digging' for gold could be a total lie.

That's a lie if I ever heard it.

Michael Noire
Did I mention before Fukushima, Japan started making gold available in vending machines as a response to the American economic crisis?

Which exactly fortifies my point. You are so idiotic about economics, that you don't see both sides of that story. You see it as the Japanese wanting to invest in gold. I see it as big business trying to throw it away. Businessmen have a better grasp of market forces than consumers.

Michael Noire
What does this all mean?

That you are a retard when it comes to economics.

Michael Noire
It means more gold going into the Indian Economy from thin air,


Michael Noire
more fiat debt from the US being traded for real Gold going into China
Chinese currency being devalued by failed Italy

Most value of items comes from labor in what is called the Labor theory of value. What that means is that most of the value of an item stems from labor more so than the materials and what is happening in China is that since more people are being employed, the goods there are going up in price which means inflation. Gold has nothing to do with it. You're simply implying that correlation equals causation.

Michael Noire
We're ********.. fo-sho...

but let's be sensible. After The Great Depression and WWII, just a few years after cities were firebombed or nuked, we had something of a golden age of exploitation - those with the gold exploited everybody else because bullion was the only stable currency in a time when people would sell their houses for a dollar. I'll try to post some relevant article/charts in a bit.

I don't know if you are ignorant or trying to excuse the bad behavior of an inflated material, but it's not working on me. Every example you gave proved my point. You are not a genius with economics. Infact, you suck.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:22 am


Michael Noire
a cute little slide show on who's got what:
http://www.futuresmag.com/Exclusives/2011/8/Pages/Global-Gold-Holdings.aspx?page=1

22 billion in treasure found in Indian temple:
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Gold-treasure-at-India-temple-could-be-the-largest-in-the-world-40475-3-1.html

Italy could be bailed out by China:
http://www.minyanville.com/businessmarkets/articles/china-buys-italian-debt-china-italian/9/13/2011/id/36857


gold vending machines in Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_HhS6HTwEI

Germany not happy with Greece:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2011/0913/In-Germany-considering-a-eurozone-minus-Greece


My point is there's a big s**t storm heading for those giant European Windmills we drove by in 2008.

Oh look opinion sites that offer no credible sources. Quite sad.

The rose in spring


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:15 am


Quit wasting my time. Gold is going sideways until markets stabilize. As for Indians not hoarding...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/10/idINIndia-59222720110910

Now GTFO COINTELPRO.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:09 pm


Michael Noire
Quit wasting my time. Gold is going sideways until markets stabilize. As for Indians not hoarding...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/10/idINIndia-59222720110910

Now GTFO COINTELPRO.

Did you not read any of my posts? The cost of gold is rising. Do you not remember this?
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It is stabilizing a little bit but that means it's going to crash because people are having difficulty buying it. And if you're buying gold, then I feel absolutely no pity for you. The ignorance I could take, but refusing to shut up when proven wrong, that's annoying.

The rose in spring


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:55 am


The rose in spring
Michael Noire
Quit wasting my time. Gold is going sideways until markets stabilize. As for Indians not hoarding...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/10/idINIndia-59222720110910

Now GTFO COINTELPRO.

Did you not read any of my posts? The cost of gold is rising. Do you not remember this?
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It is stabilizing a little bit but that means it's going to crash because people are having difficulty buying it. And if you're buying gold, then I feel absolutely no pity for you. The ignorance I could take, but refusing to shut up when proven wrong, that's annoying.


BUY MOAR GOLDZ!!! SELLZ @ $2000 OMGWTFBBQ!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:43 pm


Michael Noire
The rose in spring
Michael Noire
Quit wasting my time. Gold is going sideways until markets stabilize. As for Indians not hoarding...

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/10/idINIndia-59222720110910

Now GTFO COINTELPRO.

Did you not read any of my posts? The cost of gold is rising. Do you not remember this?
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It is stabilizing a little bit but that means it's going to crash because people are having difficulty buying it. And if you're buying gold, then I feel absolutely no pity for you. The ignorance I could take, but refusing to shut up when proven wrong, that's annoying.


BUY MOAR GOLDZ!!! SELLZ @ $2000 OMGWTFBBQ!

Are you a troll?

The rose in spring


Michael Noire

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:11 am


Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:19 am


Michael Noire
Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.
What if it all just crashes and there is no rebound until let's say after a ww3?

Azkeel


The rose in spring

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:06 pm


Michael Noire
Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.

When markets crash, you end up with massive deflation. What does that mean? It means the value of currency goes up which means the value of gold will go down.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:56 pm


YahuShalum
Michael Noire
Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.
What if it all just crashes and there is no rebound until let's say after a ww3?


if you look at my advice on page one, I suggest allotting the same blob of money on a regular basis, only increasing it when the cost goes up. After ww3, you will see some crisis here and some crisis there, and then you will have your opportunity to profit. Think of yourself in a Hotel Rwanda situation. Having a stockpile of precious metal is better than having a currency the conquerors may completely do away with - because then you can bribe your way out while there is still time.

Now assuming things will stabilize - because they always do - you can keep your reserves for years, or decades, and then use them for your future, or your children's future.

It's the 21st century and people are finding more, rather than less uses for precious metal. In the mean time, if metals drop through the roof, I'm going to be one hell of a happy camper, because then I can buy a** tons of gold and silver for heat sinks and wire, on the cheap.

Michael Noire


Azkeel

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:02 pm


Michael Noire
YahuShalum
Michael Noire
Right now is an excellent time to buy metal, because the european market is crashing. I would suggest gradually buying more as the market tumbles, and pulling back from purchasing when it starts rising again.
What if it all just crashes and there is no rebound until let's say after a ww3?


if you look at my advice on page one, I suggest allotting the same blob of money on a regular basis, only increasing it when the cost goes up. After ww3, you will see some crisis here and some crisis there, and then you will have your opportunity to profit. Think of yourself in a Hotel Rwanda situation. Having a stockpile of precious metal is better than having a currency the conquerors may completely do away with - because then you can bribe your way out while there is still time.

Now assuming things will stabilize - because they always do - you can keep your reserves for years, or decades, and then use them for your future, or your children's future.

It's the 21st century and people are finding more, rather than less uses for precious metal. In the mean time, if metals drop through the roof, I'm going to be one hell of a happy camper, because then I can buy a** tons of gold and silver for heat sinks and wire, on the cheap.
Physical then. You need those metals with you not in some bank...
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