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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:53 pm
@Kunx: It is true that using gold for anything other than Gaia online's interest goes against their TOS, but as far as I've seen within the pokemon community (and the entire gaming community), it really isn't that enforced. I think the only time it will really be enforced is when real money is distributed amongst its users based on the passing of "their property".
@Lord Shadow: Since the battle scene here is mostly based on the DS games and a majority here still prefer as such, we are trying to maintain ia consistent battle scene that doesn't require you do download anything. That is not to say that we are not considering either or.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:34 pm
@Kunx: Leveling up Pokemon = time. Paying gold is for paying time. Which is not against ToS. Why? Bumping. Paying someone to bump is paying for their time.
We would need to make it an official service of the guild or something, because trust could be an issue. We don't need a Jesse/James scheme to anger guild members.
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Nitrox Dragon Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:35 pm
Nitrox Dragon @Kunx: Leveling up Pokemon = time. Paying gold is for paying time. Which is not against ToS. Why? Bumping. Paying someone to bump is paying for their time.
We would need to make it an official service of the guild or something, because trust could be an issue. We don't need a Jesse/James scheme to anger guild members. Blast foiled again.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:38 pm
Lord Shadow IX Nitrox Dragon @Kunx: Leveling up Pokemon = time. Paying gold is for paying time. Which is not against ToS. Why? Bumping. Paying someone to bump is paying for their time.
We would need to make it an official service of the guild or something, because trust could be an issue. We don't need a Jesse/James scheme to anger guild members. Blast foiled again. Well, we could do it, but it's just risky. We'd need some trustworthy people monitored by the crew. Lots of work, but the only way we could support such actions. I guess such unregulated threads would be allowed, but it's all a risk to the trader and we wouldn't be responsible for anything in such a trade.
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Nitrox Dragon Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:40 pm
Nitrox Dragon Lord Shadow IX Nitrox Dragon @Kunx: Leveling up Pokemon = time. Paying gold is for paying time. Which is not against ToS. Why? Bumping. Paying someone to bump is paying for their time.
We would need to make it an official service of the guild or something, because trust could be an issue. We don't need a Jesse/James scheme to anger guild members. Blast foiled again. Well, we could do it, but it's just risky. We'd need some trustworthy people monitored by the crew. Lots of work, but the only way we could support such actions. I guess such unregulated threads would be allowed, but it's all a risk to the trader and we wouldn't be responsible for anything in such a trade.Maybe have a safety thing. Leveler must give one of their best pokemon until leveling is done.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:44 pm
Lord Shadow IX Nitrox Dragon Lord Shadow IX Nitrox Dragon @Kunx: Leveling up Pokemon = time. Paying gold is for paying time. Which is not against ToS. Why? Bumping. Paying someone to bump is paying for their time.
We would need to make it an official service of the guild or something, because trust could be an issue. We don't need a Jesse/James scheme to anger guild members. Blast foiled again. Well, we could do it, but it's just risky. We'd need some trustworthy people monitored by the crew. Lots of work, but the only way we could support such actions. I guess such unregulated threads would be allowed, but it's all a risk to the trader and we wouldn't be responsible for anything in such a trade.Maybe have a safety thing. Leveler must give one of their best pokemon until leveling is done. Giving one of their best pokemon seems a bit risky as well... Just using trustworthy members of the guild seems like a better idea to me IMO
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:03 pm
Flame_Haze Lord Shadow IX Maybe have a safety thing. Leveler must give one of their best pokemon until leveling is done. Giving one of their best pokemon seems a bit risky as well... Just using trustworthy members of the guild seems like a better idea to me IMO Really it's all down to the player's decision. This idea of a leveling up system will probably be discussed further with the crew on whether or not it would be a good idea to support.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:51 am
Flame_Haze Giving one of their best pokemon seems a bit risky as well... Just using trustworthy members of the guild seems like a better idea to me IMO @ Kunx - I know what you mean in regards to SELLING Pokemon for Gaia Gold, but I figured if the Pokemon being given so much attention belongs to the person giving the money to the other for spending the time to level it up, it might be considered a completely different kind of transaction. Of course, as I also noted... any serious talk about such things would need to be taken up with an actual Gaia Online Forum Moderator.
@ Everyone else - Scamming is already against the rules in the Trading section and the best we could do is just remove the guilty party (if such an action did occur) from the guild. But who knows, if such an idea is even allowed, people could probably gain reputation as being a trustworthy, though Pokemon theft may become quite an issue in the process. Afterall, it's just an idea since I am still against the use of ActionReplay for whatever reason at this point.
@ Lord Shadow IX - Indeed, I brought up the idea of Battle Simulators earlier, and Pokemon Online is honestly the better of the two in my opinion. Just not sure if we want to take that route just yet, since it really does feel sterile compared to the excitement of all the animations and sounds of the actual game.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:00 am
With that whole leveling thing.. what would stop someone like with (With an action replay) from feeding the pokemon a bunch of rare candies to get it it's level? Unless that's the point, if so, then I'd be able to help since I have an endless supply of rare candies..
PERSONALLY, that's would be the way I'd want it done if I was paying someone to level my pokemon (I'd make sure I EV trained it first though) I don't know if I'd be alright with someone holding my pokemon for days trying to level it up the normal way.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:44 am
On the issue of Rare Candies: Yes, that will make for an easy way to change level without altering stats. This can be viewed as a harmless method. Let me show you the problem. Ash and Gary are users on Gaia that will help level your Pokemon up at 100 gold per level plus 100 for the service. (Those rates seem familiar...) Ash devotes his time to carrying around your Pokemon and leveling it up or by putting it through the Day Care. He works his butt off to earn 2100 for leveling your level 30 Magikarp to level 50. On the other hand, Gary takes an identical level 30 Magikarp and brings it to his secret stash of illegal drugs Rare Candies, beefing it up to level 50 in a matter of one minute of his time. Such a service should be paid for because of the time element. Rare Candies would erase such an element, and therefore Gary would obviously unfairly have an advantage over the honest trainer, Ash.
All opinions of the characters Ash and Gary aside, it seems like there are two options to maintain fairness. 1. The one who levels up like Ash gets paid, and the ones like Gary do not get paid. 2. Gary gets warnings and possibly the banhammer. AKA Rare Candy leveling is banned. I have a little more to say on those options, but I'd like to hear what you all think.
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Nitrox Dragon Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:33 am
Personally, I like EXP SHARE and E4 runs for leveling up pokemon.
Now, if I were performing a service, I would want to get it done as quickly as possible. If I was being paid to level someone's pokemon I would explain that I will level it for x amount (Whatever seems fair) per level (Or possibly a pokemon for trade). I would also explain how I intend to level said pokemon (Which would be with the AR'd rare candies) I wouldn't make the poor guy wait days for his pokemon back when I could accomplish the exact same thing using rare candies.
I could understand it being a bad thing if someone was charging an outlandish amount and then saying they were doing it by leveling it up normally but were secretly just feeding it rare candies.
Personally, I can't do anything because my DS is acting up and I'm afraid of corrupting my save data... Kinda bummed about that..
EDIT:: Also, I have to disagree with this kind of service I think what is paid for is the end result and the speed at which it is achieved. Especially if the people who are offering their services are upfront about how they perform said services.
Who do you think will get more business? (Let's pretend we both have the same reputation and are both as well known as each other. Both of us are really trustworthy and have done good things in the past. Not only that, there's talk to vote out Kyren and install you and I as leaders of this guild... okay that's a little farfetch'd.. You get what I mean.)
I offer my services to rare candy your pokemon to any level you want within an hour of you handing it over. ANY LEVEL One hour guarantee. I charge 100 per level and 100 for the service.
You offer your services to raise the pokemon through the normal method of gaining XP without the use of rare candies. Your prices are the same as mine, only it COULD possibly take day to complete.
Not only is my service faster, but I could also level people's main pokemon if they wanted me to because it wouldn't leave them stuck for very long.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:01 am
See, both our arguments make logical sense. I argued what was fair, you argued which was more convenient. This is going to be the center of such a debate, but if any of these services were to be backed by the Guild, fairness would rule against Rare Candies. Yes, it's inconvenient, but it's fair to anyone who would want to make a business out of it. But if nobody were to make a business, then the usage of Rare Candies might be allowed. I can't make any promises though.
Keep in mind, though, that the battle styles for tournaments or the Gen5 gyms have yet to be determined, so for all we know, this could all be useless in the future.
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Nitrox Dragon Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:34 am
I wouldn't call using rare candies unfair though, as long as I'm not hiding what I'm doing. I also think that BOTH options should be available because some people might not want to wait a long time to have someone level their Pokemon but at the same time some people might not want their Pokemon leveled with rare candies. I do believe that the rare candy way is better because it achieves the same end result only faster (Unless EV training was also agreed upon in which case the rare candy method is not good.)
Your method is no more "Fair" than mine, yours just requires more work for the same pay. The customer get's the same end result at the end of the deal.
NOW, If I had also agreed to EV train said pokemon, then I just fed it some *Drugs* to boost EV's a little bit and then fed it rare candies to level it, it would be unfair (And just plain wrong in my opinion.)
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:49 pm
Haha, wow.. this debate is quickly becoming quite similar to "Organic vs. Processed food"... xd
And for the record, I think I would like to eventually step down before I ever see the day that I get voted out... sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:08 pm
Kyrenx Haha, wow.. this debate is quickly becoming quite similar to "Organic vs. Processed food"... xd
And for the record, I think I would like to eventually step down before I ever see the day that I get voted out... sweatdrop Oh you weren't getting voted out because you did anything wrong, you were amazing but we were just THAT MUCH cooler. We were so cool that you voted for us.
As for Organic VS. Processed I'm impartial, whatever tastes better in MY opinion is what I like, one thing might be organic one might not be.
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