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 Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:58 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:10 pm
Sakakikala Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Azkeel Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins. Ah but I'm not trying to cause them harm. Buy buying a steak, that's pretty much putting a clear message out there saying "I don't give a s**t about animals or the planet". Yes, animals do still die in the harvesting of plants. It's sad, but when you eat meat, the animals you're eating have to eat something, and it's likely it's still grains. THUS meaning those poor bunnies(and other animals whom get caught up in the mix) are victims of the many number of humans that need to be fed. Pesticides are still sprayed on the grain that are fed to animals. Veganism is not about being super perfect, it's about minimizing the amount of ******** death you support. And I have been a vegan for well over a year, and you're right. I AM BAT s**t CRAZY BUT ITS BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES LIKE YOU NOT A LACK OF VITAMINS. (I have my doctor run blood tests and everything every time I go in for a checkup to make sure I'm healthy as an ox)
Okay, one thing: It is wrong to assume the meat eaters "don't give a s**t about animals or the planet." This kind of attitude is what really makes me not like vegans at all. And I'm not the type of person to just dislike a group. Generalizing is not right, but when I'm being lumped into a group that is so far from what I am just based on what I eat, well I take offense to that. Some people eat meat, and some people don't, there is absolutely NO reason to think you're better than someone else because of what you eat. I love animals. I devote my life to them. I share my life with them. I work with them, I have a hard time thinking about doing anything else but. I have been a volunteer for almost two years with an organization that strives to protect animals and the environment. And I eat meat, so according to you, that automatically negates everything else that my entire life stands for and makes me a monster. I do not like the fact that most of what I eat comes from factory farms. I intend on changing that in the near future, and I do what I can in other areas to make up for that.
*Disclaimer* I am NOT attacking you or trying to be rude. Just disputing an assumption you've made.I agree that generalizing is wrong, and I admit, it does make me a hypocrite because I do, on occasion generalize. Eating meat doesn't make you a monster, even I ate meat at one point in my life. I applaud you for all you do for animals. I really do. It's more than most vegheads I know! I'm just saying that is sends out a certain image of yourself when you eat meat which is not very positive towards your causes. And holy crap, It's almost 1am and i've been up since 5 yesterday. So if I'm incoherent from lack of sleep and sugar rush(Sleep over WHOOOO! :O). Just lemme know and I'll try to not sound like I'm a crazy sugared up loon. razz
Thank you. I believe that the only people who would see me in a negative light because I eat meat are close minded people. I have worked with many omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans and we were all very open and accepting of one another. Except this one girl who said my burrito looked good and asked what it was and said she can't have it because she doesn't eat meat. You can order it without the chicken, DUH. Lol.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:12 am
Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Azkeel Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins. Ah but I'm not trying to cause them harm. Buy buying a steak, that's pretty much putting a clear message out there saying "I don't give a s**t about animals or the planet". Yes, animals do still die in the harvesting of plants. It's sad, but when you eat meat, the animals you're eating have to eat something, and it's likely it's still grains. THUS meaning those poor bunnies(and other animals whom get caught up in the mix) are victims of the many number of humans that need to be fed. Pesticides are still sprayed on the grain that are fed to animals. Veganism is not about being super perfect, it's about minimizing the amount of ******** death you support. And I have been a vegan for well over a year, and you're right. I AM BAT s**t CRAZY BUT ITS BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES LIKE YOU NOT A LACK OF VITAMINS. (I have my doctor run blood tests and everything every time I go in for a checkup to make sure I'm healthy as an ox)
Okay, one thing: It is wrong to assume the meat eaters "don't give a s**t about animals or the planet." This kind of attitude is what really makes me not like vegans at all. And I'm not the type of person to just dislike a group. Generalizing is not right, but when I'm being lumped into a group that is so far from what I am just based on what I eat, well I take offense to that. Some people eat meat, and some people don't, there is absolutely NO reason to think you're better than someone else because of what you eat. I love animals. I devote my life to them. I share my life with them. I work with them, I have a hard time thinking about doing anything else but. I have been a volunteer for almost two years with an organization that strives to protect animals and the environment. And I eat meat, so according to you, that automatically negates everything else that my entire life stands for and makes me a monster. I do not like the fact that most of what I eat comes from factory farms. I intend on changing that in the near future, and I do what I can in other areas to make up for that.
*Disclaimer* I am NOT attacking you or trying to be rude. Just disputing an assumption you've made.I agree that generalizing is wrong, and I admit, it does make me a hypocrite because I do, on occasion generalize. Eating meat doesn't make you a monster, even I ate meat at one point in my life. I applaud you for all you do for animals. I really do. It's more than most vegheads I know! I'm just saying that is sends out a certain image of yourself when you eat meat which is not very positive towards your causes. And holy crap, It's almost 1am and i've been up since 5 yesterday. So if I'm incoherent from lack of sleep and sugar rush(Sleep over WHOOOO! :O). Just lemme know and I'll try to not sound like I'm a crazy sugared up loon. razz
Thank you. I believe that the only people who would see me in a negative light because I eat meat are close minded people. I have worked with many omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans and we were all very open and accepting of one another. Except this one girl who said my burrito looked good and asked what it was and said she can't have it because she doesn't eat meat. You can order it without the chicken, DUH. Lol. haha yeah. That aside, its still super easy to eat veg. razz Of course, I'm sure you hear a lot of that IRL so i wont annoy you on here. I just flipped s**t cuz i mean read the first post. The poster clearly has not done much research at all, and probably doesn't know many vegheads and/or animal advocates IRL or else he wouldn't have posted that assuming its the one and only cause I and other animal advocates have. There's also the fact that its very unlikely globally humans will have equal rights unless animals have rights too(and visa versa). Not to say we should give dogs drivers licenses or cows voting rights, but rather the right to at least not suffer for humans greed.(tho i bet if animals had voting rights the world would be a lot better, LOL xd )
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:43 am
Sakakikala Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Azkeel Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins. Ah but I'm not trying to cause them harm. Buy buying a steak, that's pretty much putting a clear message out there saying "I don't give a s**t about animals or the planet". Yes, animals do still die in the harvesting of plants. It's sad, but when you eat meat, the animals you're eating have to eat something, and it's likely it's still grains. THUS meaning those poor bunnies(and other animals whom get caught up in the mix) are victims of the many number of humans that need to be fed. Pesticides are still sprayed on the grain that are fed to animals. Veganism is not about being super perfect, it's about minimizing the amount of ******** death you support. And I have been a vegan for well over a year, and you're right. I AM BAT s**t CRAZY BUT ITS BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES LIKE YOU NOT A LACK OF VITAMINS. (I have my doctor run blood tests and everything every time I go in for a checkup to make sure I'm healthy as an ox)
Okay, one thing: It is wrong to assume the meat eaters "don't give a s**t about animals or the planet." This kind of attitude is what really makes me not like vegans at all. And I'm not the type of person to just dislike a group. Generalizing is not right, but when I'm being lumped into a group that is so far from what I am just based on what I eat, well I take offense to that. Some people eat meat, and some people don't, there is absolutely NO reason to think you're better than someone else because of what you eat. I love animals. I devote my life to them. I share my life with them. I work with them, I have a hard time thinking about doing anything else but. I have been a volunteer for almost two years with an organization that strives to protect animals and the environment. And I eat meat, so according to you, that automatically negates everything else that my entire life stands for and makes me a monster. I do not like the fact that most of what I eat comes from factory farms. I intend on changing that in the near future, and I do what I can in other areas to make up for that.
*Disclaimer* I am NOT attacking you or trying to be rude. Just disputing an assumption you've made.I agree that generalizing is wrong, and I admit, it does make me a hypocrite because I do, on occasion generalize. Eating meat doesn't make you a monster, even I ate meat at one point in my life. I applaud you for all you do for animals. I really do. It's more than most vegheads I know! I'm just saying that is sends out a certain image of yourself when you eat meat which is not very positive towards your causes. And holy crap, It's almost 1am and i've been up since 5 yesterday. So if I'm incoherent from lack of sleep and sugar rush(Sleep over WHOOOO! :O). Just lemme know and I'll try to not sound like I'm a crazy sugared up loon. razz
Thank you. I believe that the only people who would see me in a negative light because I eat meat are close minded people. I have worked with many omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans and we were all very open and accepting of one another. Except this one girl who said my burrito looked good and asked what it was and said she can't have it because she doesn't eat meat. You can order it without the chicken, DUH. Lol. haha yeah. That aside, its still super easy to eat veg. razz Of course, I'm sure you hear a lot of that IRL so i wont annoy you on here. I just flipped s**t cuz i mean read the first post. The poster clearly has not done much research at all, and probably doesn't know many vegheads and/or animal advocates IRL or else he wouldn't have posted that assuming its the one and only cause I and other animal advocates have. There's also the fact that its very unlikely globally humans will have equal rights unless animals have rights too(and visa versa). Not to say we should give dogs drivers licenses or cows voting rights, but rather the right to at least not suffer for humans greed.(tho i bet if animals had voting rights the world would be a lot better, LOL xd )
I feel like the op was just posted to get a rise out of people anyway. Sarcasm is always best for dealing with ignorant people, rather than getting upset about it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:53 am
Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Vanilla eXee Sakakikala Vanilla eXee
Okay, one thing: It is wrong to assume the meat eaters "don't give a s**t about animals or the planet." This kind of attitude is what really makes me not like vegans at all. And I'm not the type of person to just dislike a group. Generalizing is not right, but when I'm being lumped into a group that is so far from what I am just based on what I eat, well I take offense to that. Some people eat meat, and some people don't, there is absolutely NO reason to think you're better than someone else because of what you eat. I love animals. I devote my life to them. I share my life with them. I work with them, I have a hard time thinking about doing anything else but. I have been a volunteer for almost two years with an organization that strives to protect animals and the environment. And I eat meat, so according to you, that automatically negates everything else that my entire life stands for and makes me a monster. I do not like the fact that most of what I eat comes from factory farms. I intend on changing that in the near future, and I do what I can in other areas to make up for that.
*Disclaimer* I am NOT attacking you or trying to be rude. Just disputing an assumption you've made.I agree that generalizing is wrong, and I admit, it does make me a hypocrite because I do, on occasion generalize. Eating meat doesn't make you a monster, even I ate meat at one point in my life. I applaud you for all you do for animals. I really do. It's more than most vegheads I know! I'm just saying that is sends out a certain image of yourself when you eat meat which is not very positive towards your causes. And holy crap, It's almost 1am and i've been up since 5 yesterday. So if I'm incoherent from lack of sleep and sugar rush(Sleep over WHOOOO! :O). Just lemme know and I'll try to not sound like I'm a crazy sugared up loon. razz
Thank you. I believe that the only people who would see me in a negative light because I eat meat are close minded people. I have worked with many omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans and we were all very open and accepting of one another. Except this one girl who said my burrito looked good and asked what it was and said she can't have it because she doesn't eat meat. You can order it without the chicken, DUH. Lol. haha yeah. That aside, its still super easy to eat veg. razz Of course, I'm sure you hear a lot of that IRL so i wont annoy you on here. I just flipped s**t cuz i mean read the first post. The poster clearly has not done much research at all, and probably doesn't know many vegheads and/or animal advocates IRL or else he wouldn't have posted that assuming its the one and only cause I and other animal advocates have. There's also the fact that its very unlikely globally humans will have equal rights unless animals have rights too(and visa versa). Not to say we should give dogs drivers licenses or cows voting rights, but rather the right to at least not suffer for humans greed.(tho i bet if animals had voting rights the world would be a lot better, LOL xd )
I feel like the op was just posted to get a rise out of people anyway. Sarcasm is always best for dealing with ignorant people, rather than getting upset about it. true. but still, itd be nice to be able to smack some people xD
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:58 am
Sakakikala true. but still, itd be nice to be able to smack some people xD
Sooooo agreed on that one.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:07 am
Vanilla eXee Sakakikala true. but still, itd be nice to be able to smack some people xD
Sooooo agreed on that one.haha should we take this to PMs? razz
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:57 am
Sakakikala Vanilla eXee Sakakikala true. but still, itd be nice to be able to smack some people xD
Sooooo agreed on that one.haha should we take this to PMs? razz
Lol, yeah. Gotta stop clogging up the thread with our bad selves.
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:29 pm
Sakakikala Azkeel Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins. Ah but I'm not trying to cause them harm. Buy buying a steak, that's pretty much putting a clear message out there saying "I don't give a s**t about animals or the planet". Yes, animals do still die in the harvesting of plants. It's sad, but when you eat meat, the animals you're eating have to eat something, and it's likely it's still grains. THUS meaning those poor bunnies(and other animals whom get caught up in the mix) are victims of the many number of humans that need to be fed. Pesticides are still sprayed on the grain that are fed to animals. Veganism is not about being super perfect, it's about minimizing the amount of ******** death you support. And I have been a vegan for well over a year, and you're right. I AM BAT s**t CRAZY BUT ITS BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES LIKE YOU NOT A LACK OF VITAMINS. (I have my doctor run blood tests and everything every time I go in for a checkup to make sure I'm healthy as an ox) I hate others that ASSUME meat eaters are the verge of death to the world. BECAUSE YA HARM A LITTLE ANIMAL ON IT'S HEAD AND MAKE IT'S DEAD CORPSE SOMETHING USEFUL, SUDDENLY WE ARE LOOKED DOWN UPON! Dead corpses produce more CO2 on the planet than anything else. Eating them gets ride of such a thing, and it even helps us in the long run. It also helps species populate. Here is an example, how are chickens population wise? They are a vast population of the world. Very large these days. What about the wolf population? Nope, not doing too good. Difference? We farm chickens and protect them from other species outside as we give them a simple life before we eat them. Wolves defend themselves from mysterious problems in the world in small packs and make it hard to populate. Sure, I think the farm treatment of animals is completely wrong. That's because I believe that TORTURE is wrong, not the death. You see those chickens on a farm? I've been to one. They are all packed together, barely any room to walk. Sometimes, the chickens step over one another just to get around. That suffocates other chickens and kills them. Not to mention animal transportation is ridiculous. I blame poor watch of the workers and not enough money being invested into good agriculture, however. Some farms don't do that, though. I've eaten cow meat from a cow that was properly raised a nice life and was fed actual grass. Researched it and everything. It was actually better than regular cow meat you find at a store. Now, I really shouldn't get my panties in a knot because I understand what you are getting at. However, most people I know that eat meat are actually really environmentally friendly. More than most vegetarians/vegans I know. Mostly because they don't think that not eating animals will do something.
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:31 am
Captain_Shinzo Sakakikala Azkeel Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins. Ah but I'm not trying to cause them harm. Buy buying a steak, that's pretty much putting a clear message out there saying "I don't give a s**t about animals or the planet". Yes, animals do still die in the harvesting of plants. It's sad, but when you eat meat, the animals you're eating have to eat something, and it's likely it's still grains. THUS meaning those poor bunnies(and other animals whom get caught up in the mix) are victims of the many number of humans that need to be fed. Pesticides are still sprayed on the grain that are fed to animals. Veganism is not about being super perfect, it's about minimizing the amount of ******** death you support. And I have been a vegan for well over a year, and you're right. I AM BAT s**t CRAZY BUT ITS BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES LIKE YOU NOT A LACK OF VITAMINS. (I have my doctor run blood tests and everything every time I go in for a checkup to make sure I'm healthy as an ox) I hate others that ASSUME meat eaters are the verge of death to the world. BECAUSE YA HARM A LITTLE ANIMAL ON IT'S HEAD AND MAKE IT'S DEAD CORPSE SOMETHING USEFUL, SUDDENLY WE ARE LOOKED DOWN UPON! Dead corpses produce more CO2 on the planet than anything else. Eating them gets ride of such a thing, and it even helps us in the long run. It also helps species populate. Here is an example, how are chickens population wise? They are a vast population of the world. Very large these days. What about the wolf population? Nope, not doing too good. Difference? We farm chickens and protect them from other species outside as we give them a simple life before we eat them. Wolves defend themselves from mysterious problems in the world in small packs and make it hard to populate. Sure, I think the farm treatment of animals is completely wrong. That's because I believe that TORTURE is wrong, not the death. You see those chickens on a farm? I've been to one. They are all packed together, barely any room to walk. Sometimes, the chickens step over one another just to get around. That suffocates other chickens and kills them. Not to mention animal transportation is ridiculous. I blame poor watch of the workers and not enough money being invested into good agriculture, however. Some farms don't do that, though. I've eaten cow meat from a cow that was properly raised a nice life and was fed actual grass. Researched it and everything. It was actually better than regular cow meat you find at a store. Now, I really shouldn't get my panties in a knot because I understand what you are getting at. However, most people I know that eat meat are actually really environmentally friendly. More than most vegetarians/vegans I know. Mostly because they don't think that not eating animals will do something. My boyfriend Is the same way in feeling it won't make any difference if he gave up meat. Of course, he doesn't really give a flying s**t about animals anyway(but hes still all around a decent person, otherwise I'd have left him long ago). And the reason, for the chicken problem you brought up, that we have so many chickens is because they are born to die for human greed. They would never have been born if it wasn't for human greed, and while I'd be happy if all of them were freed and went to sanctuaries right now, I KNOW it's not a realistic way of approaching things. And giving them life just to give them a shitty life and a horrible death doesn't make the creating of these birds ok. If you looked into reasons why the wolf population sucks, it's not really mysterious. It's pretty much all human's fault. We ******** up, now we gotta fix it. So simply being a welfarist isn't really enough. Adding your email to those silly little peta petitions don't make much of a difference. Being vegetarian or vegan puts it out there that you don't support that treatment at all, no matter how little abusive it is, its still paying someone else to do the dirty work so all you have to do is cook/eat their bodies. Not that JUST being veg is enough, as I stated before. You have to actively work to make things better for the animals overall. And the masses of bodies that would emit CO2 that you mentioned would never exist if everyone grew into a meat free lifestyle. The world will never go vegan overnight leading to a mass rotting of already killed animals, and chickens and other farm animals roaming free wreaking havoc on our ecosystem. Yup, that's another one of those silly fantasies that will never exist. razz And while I applaud you for researching the farm that you ate the cow from, Farms like you mentioned are a rare deal, and not everyone has access to one, nor can afford it, but if you're going to do that much to ensure you're animal ad a comfortable and happy life, why not hunt deer? Then you could ensure it has the most natural life that is meant for the animal and know what it is like to slay the creature yourself. If you can't bring yourself to harm another living animal like yourself, why should you pay someone to do the same thing for you?
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:38 pm
Sakakikala Captain_Shinzo Sakakikala Azkeel Ever watch a wheat threasher tear up bunnies? Yes if you're vegan you're still responsible for animal deaths. I don't see you guys protesting against the farm equipment that kills plenty of mammals. Or what about the use of pesticides that kill plenty of insects? Those are creatures too. Anyways being vegan is actually un-natural for humans. You don't get essential vitamins and if you do they are from animal sources. So a true vegan will usually go bat s**t crazy due to a lack of essential b vitamins. Ah but I'm not trying to cause them harm. Buy buying a steak, that's pretty much putting a clear message out there saying "I don't give a s**t about animals or the planet". Yes, animals do still die in the harvesting of plants. It's sad, but when you eat meat, the animals you're eating have to eat something, and it's likely it's still grains. THUS meaning those poor bunnies(and other animals whom get caught up in the mix) are victims of the many number of humans that need to be fed. Pesticides are still sprayed on the grain that are fed to animals. Veganism is not about being super perfect, it's about minimizing the amount of ******** death you support. And I have been a vegan for well over a year, and you're right. I AM BAT s**t CRAZY BUT ITS BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES LIKE YOU NOT A LACK OF VITAMINS. (I have my doctor run blood tests and everything every time I go in for a checkup to make sure I'm healthy as an ox) I hate others that ASSUME meat eaters are the verge of death to the world. BECAUSE YA HARM A LITTLE ANIMAL ON IT'S HEAD AND MAKE IT'S DEAD CORPSE SOMETHING USEFUL, SUDDENLY WE ARE LOOKED DOWN UPON! Dead corpses produce more CO2 on the planet than anything else. Eating them gets ride of such a thing, and it even helps us in the long run. It also helps species populate. Here is an example, how are chickens population wise? They are a vast population of the world. Very large these days. What about the wolf population? Nope, not doing too good. Difference? We farm chickens and protect them from other species outside as we give them a simple life before we eat them. Wolves defend themselves from mysterious problems in the world in small packs and make it hard to populate. Sure, I think the farm treatment of animals is completely wrong. That's because I believe that TORTURE is wrong, not the death. You see those chickens on a farm? I've been to one. They are all packed together, barely any room to walk. Sometimes, the chickens step over one another just to get around. That suffocates other chickens and kills them. Not to mention animal transportation is ridiculous. I blame poor watch of the workers and not enough money being invested into good agriculture, however. Some farms don't do that, though. I've eaten cow meat from a cow that was properly raised a nice life and was fed actual grass. Researched it and everything. It was actually better than regular cow meat you find at a store. Now, I really shouldn't get my panties in a knot because I understand what you are getting at. However, most people I know that eat meat are actually really environmentally friendly. More than most vegetarians/vegans I know. Mostly because they don't think that not eating animals will do something. My boyfriend Is the same way in feeling it won't make any difference if he gave up meat. Of course, he doesn't really give a flying s**t about animals anyway(but hes still all around a decent person, otherwise I'd have left him long ago). And the reason, for the chicken problem you brought up, that we have so many chickens is because they are born to die for human greed. They would never have been born if it wasn't for human greed, and while I'd be happy if all of them were freed and went to sanctuaries right now, I KNOW it's not a realistic way of approaching things. And giving them life just to give them a shitty life and a horrible death doesn't make the creating of these birds ok. If you looked into reasons why the wolf population sucks, it's not really mysterious. It's pretty much all human's fault. We ******** up, now we gotta fix it. So simply being a welfarist isn't really enough. Adding your email to those silly little peta petitions don't make much of a difference. Being vegetarian or vegan puts it out there that you don't support that treatment at all, no matter how little abusive it is, its still paying someone else to do the dirty work so all you have to do is cook/eat their bodies. Not that JUST being veg is enough, as I stated before. You have to actively work to make things better for the animals overall. And the masses of bodies that would emit CO2 that you mentioned would never exist if everyone grew into a meat free lifestyle. The world will never go vegan overnight leading to a mass rotting of already killed animals, and chickens and other farm animals roaming free wreaking havoc on our ecosystem. Yup, that's another one of those silly fantasies that will never exist. razz And while I applaud you for researching the farm that you ate the cow from, Farms like you mentioned are a rare deal, and not everyone has access to one, nor can afford it, but if you're going to do that much to ensure you're animal ad a comfortable and happy life, why not hunt deer? Then you could ensure it has the most natural life that is meant for the animal and know what it is like to slay the creature yourself. If you can't bring yourself to harm another living animal like yourself, why should you pay someone to do the same thing for you?
Of course they were born for greed. If we took better care of them, which we don't, it wouldn't be a problem. That's why most are vegans or vegetarians. Because of the animal cruelty on farms.
Increasing their population is good. Making their life hell is bad. I agree with the first equation and think the second should have some kind of change.
I never said the wolf population was mysterious. I just mentioned that we ******** up and we aren't really knowing how to handle it. A small farming of wolves on good lands and correct feeding and environment and the animals would be fine. Except it would be more like a zoo.
You can't assume that people who eat meat online sign up with other vegs or vegans to help solve things. People literally get out there and do something, raise funding for farms and stuff to make conditions better.
I just said that C02 doesn't come if they are prepared to be eaten and then are eaten. Most the deaths come from poor farming conditions and a gigantic demand for these animals that it makes stray bodies just like gum under a table.
A more realistic and understandable goal should be the cutting of demand for meat. Too many fat people and too many people just devouring meat in their daily lives just for the hell of it. Sure, it wont make everyone as righteous as vegans and vegs but it will increase the population's health and help the need for animals to be harvested as well as giving a chance for farms to correctly manage their animals and such. I'm surprised we don't have a hat/department from the government to manage such a thing better.
Why does the idea that letting an animal live a happy life until they are harvested seem foreign to you?
I go hunting sometimes for sport, little game hunting here and there. It's kind of fun and gives nice sport.
Does that mean I don't care for the majority of animals? No.
I think that if an animal is going to be harvested for food, atleast go to make sure it lives nicely. Most animals, if farmed well, have a better chance of surviving since they can avoid other predators and diseases.
Meaning? The cows would have a better chance at living a full life farmed than wild. But then again, we ******** up with farming so the dream couldn't happen.
Eating meat doesn't have to always be one sided. There are people that sit on the bench and just wish the best of both groups of people.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:38 am
Captain_Shinzo
A more realistic and understandable goal should be the cutting of demand for meat. Too many fat people and too many people just devouring meat in their daily lives just for the hell of it. Sure, it wont make everyone as righteous as vegans and vegs but it will increase the population's health and help the need for animals to be harvested as well as giving a chance for farms to correctly manage their animals and such. I'm surprised we don't have a hat/department from the government to manage such a thing better.
^THIS heart But yeah, I'm starting to get pretty lazy on debating this now(its getting kinda boring cuz it feels like its dragging out and its 5 am =,= BUT I WILL NOT GIVE IN! > biggrin ) I noted the petitions because many welfarists are those whom don't go all the way to support the end of the use/exploitation of animals. I know for a fact, a ******** of omnis don't sign silly little peta petitions(my boyfriend being one of them). And I agree on the making their life hell is bad thing, but increasing their population i see is in no way good. There are already too many factory farms and that is horrible enough for the planet as it is. As for the CO2, I was pointing out how if the supply gradually decreased cuz demand decreased, there would be the exact situation like you stated, maybe a few stray corpses here and there. But a lot of CO2 we have(I think it was a good 30something percent of it, ive heard drastically higher #s but that's the lowest so im using that)was from animals in factory farms. That aside, our planet cannot handle continuing this factory farming thing much longer, and imagine if Factory farms were outlawed obviously the price of meat would shoot up really high(because the only meats would be available from small farms), thus making it a thing for the wealthy to enjoy(unless its hunted). Provided riots don't break out in the streets because of this, we would end up having tons and tons of small farms trying to cram as many animals as they can into their small farm to meet demand OR with the wealthy just enjoying it, it would become a sign of wealth. Meaning it once again becomes desirable to get even moreso than it is now. And the next thing you know, small farms are trying to find a way to get more money in by "growing" more meat and BAM, back where we started. Of course, if they get that lab meat going really well and it becomes a lot cheaper, perhaps it would abolish the need for factory farms and all, it would use a ******** less of resources to produce. I know a lot of people will NEVER even TRY a day of vegetarianism. I would heavily encourage that over any other kind of meat because, even through a few animals may need to die(they might not, i dunno) the numbers would be significantly less than a cow dieing for only 81 meals, or a chicken dieing for 2 or three. Those few animals would have their cells replicated to make MILLIONS of meals, so you can see how I see that as the best alternative. That aside, Its early, and i have a ton of half formed thoughts in my head. I've had my own views on the animal advocacy movement for some time, and have always had a hard time articulating that. But then i discovered Gary Francione and I was like HOLY s**t THIS GUY GETS ME. I've been listening to his podcasts for some time now(he has books too but i need to finish what I have before I buy new ones xD) and so far I haven't had anything more than minor disagreements with anything he has to say, so it might be interesting for you to check him out. smile You call hunting SPORT? Marathons and soccer are sports. Killing another and calling it sport is horrible. sad Even the deaths from playing football are accidents! I don't(and probably never will) understand how taking the life of another can be a sport. crying
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