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 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:45 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason Obscurus Silent Harry Mason
It is the only one that believes in salvation by grace, by the doing of God, not by good deeds. And explain why all of this is lining up so perfectly with the book of revelation if it isn't true...you realize in 1948 Israel became a nation again just as it was prophesied in the Book of Ezekiel.
And another thing....the bible is the only one that goes into the future such as the book of revelation.
Furthermore...since the old testament has been in existence so much longer then the old testament when it says this prophecy?
Isaiah 53: 1-10
Do you realize how far back the book of Isaiah was written? Long before the gospels...do you realize that this is referring to Jesus long before the gospels right?
It isn't possible for anyone to be able to trick people with such an elaborate trick such as trying to write something based on an old prophecy that was a lie. What good what that do? Why would anyone have been martyred for someone who they knew was a liar? Why would Jesus's deciples have been willing to die for what he said if they thought it were a lie? I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you, I'm not. But I'm just trying to bring up points, the thing is Biblical Christianity isn't a religion, it is a RELATIONSHIP. That is accepting God's son as savior and Lord. I was so confused before I said that prayer, but you got to understand that it is by faith...not because of what we see...when I said that prayer God entered me...That is about as good as it can be explained in the logical mind....
Don't think that I'm attacking you either. I just needed to ask that question. Don't mistake me for someone that doesn't have faith because I believe in a great many things that most people don't, but I don't really see why Christianity is any better than any other religion that's out there. How do I know that Isaiah was written before the birth of Christ? How do I know that prophecy in the Revelation of John is coming true? The language is so vague that it could almost apply to anything, similar to the quatrains of Nostradamus. For the record, I could probably be considered a pantheist and I tend to see the worth in all paths. I see, and I understand what your trying to come to, However have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? These date back to 100B.C. That is over 500 years before Jesus was said to walk the earth. And there are several other valid reasons to believe it; look up more about this. It is well known that most of Isaiah refers to that. I understand you weren't attacking me, I didn't mean to come off as rude. :swear: Are you a moron? The Dead Sea Scrolls were in the 900AD era. Long after Jesus and Constantine. Why? Because you said so? Look them up more...-_- In fact the at least reach back to 200 B.C. while some speculate it reaches at least 65 A.D. at most, Some of them date back to 400 B.C. Where did you get that number huh? Point conceded, but how does that prove Christianity right when they got genesis wrong? What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:51 am
Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason I see, and I understand what your trying to come to, However have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? These date back to 100B.C. That is over 500 years before Jesus was said to walk the earth. And there are several other valid reasons to believe it; look up more about this. It is well known that most of Isaiah refers to that. I understand you weren't attacking me, I didn't mean to come off as rude. :swear: Are you a moron? The Dead Sea Scrolls were in the 900AD era. Long after Jesus and Constantine. Why? Because you said so? Look them up more...-_- In fact the at least reach back to 200 B.C. while some speculate it reaches at least 65 A.D. at most, Some of them date back to 400 B.C. Where did you get that number huh? Point conceded, but how does that prove Christianity right when they got genesis wrong? What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand. They got the flood wrong, the date of creation, the order of creation, the literal definition is certainly false, the flood is false and prophecies are merely hoaxes. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.htmlTo put it simply, when Jews found a messiah, they were looking for one to begin with and it happened during a time when Roman occupation was brutal and harsh to them. During that time, many people were claiming to be the messiah. So it's no surprise that someone became the messiah. Also I'm not saying that the bible doesn't have fact, but just because there is historical documentation does not make it all true and it certainly does not make it divine.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:08 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason I see, and I understand what your trying to come to, However have you ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls? These date back to 100B.C. That is over 500 years before Jesus was said to walk the earth. And there are several other valid reasons to believe it; look up more about this. It is well known that most of Isaiah refers to that. I understand you weren't attacking me, I didn't mean to come off as rude. :swear: Are you a moron? The Dead Sea Scrolls were in the 900AD era. Long after Jesus and Constantine. Why? Because you said so? Look them up more...-_- In fact the at least reach back to 200 B.C. while some speculate it reaches at least 65 A.D. at most, Some of them date back to 400 B.C. Where did you get that number huh? Point conceded, but how does that prove Christianity right when they got genesis wrong? What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand. They got the flood wrong, the date of creation, the order of creation, the literal definition is certainly false, the flood is false and prophecies are merely hoaxes. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.htmlTo put it simply, when Jews found a messiah, they were looking for one to begin with and it happened during a time when Roman occupation was brutal and harsh to them. During that time, many people were claiming to be the messiah. So it's no surprise that someone became the messiah. Also I'm not saying that the bible doesn't have fact, but just because there is historical documentation does not make it all true and it certainly does not make it divine. WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:12 am
Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason Why? Because you said so? Look them up more...-_- In fact the at least reach back to 200 B.C. while some speculate it reaches at least 65 A.D. at most, Some of them date back to 400 B.C. Where did you get that number huh? Point conceded, but how does that prove Christianity right when they got genesis wrong? What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand. They got the flood wrong, the date of creation, the order of creation, the literal definition is certainly false, the flood is false and prophecies are merely hoaxes. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.htmlTo put it simply, when Jews found a messiah, they were looking for one to begin with and it happened during a time when Roman occupation was brutal and harsh to them. During that time, many people were claiming to be the messiah. So it's no surprise that someone became the messiah. Also I'm not saying that the bible doesn't have fact, but just because there is historical documentation does not make it all true and it certainly does not make it divine. WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians. That doesn't matter one bit considering that you made the same claim. Now if you looked at this link, you would understand why you have no argument. You are only spreading lies about Christianity.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:33 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason Why? Because you said so? Look them up more...-_- In fact the at least reach back to 200 B.C. while some speculate it reaches at least 65 A.D. at most, Some of them date back to 400 B.C. Where did you get that number huh? Point conceded, but how does that prove Christianity right when they got genesis wrong? What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand. They got the flood wrong, the date of creation, the order of creation, the literal definition is certainly false, the flood is false and prophecies are merely hoaxes. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.htmlTo put it simply, when Jews found a messiah, they were looking for one to begin with and it happened during a time when Roman occupation was brutal and harsh to them. During that time, many people were claiming to be the messiah. So it's no surprise that someone became the messiah. Also I'm not saying that the bible doesn't have fact, but just because there is historical documentation does not make it all true and it certainly does not make it divine. WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians. That doesn't matter one bit considering that you made the same claim. Now if you looked at this link, you would understand why you have no argument. You are only spreading lies about Christianity. All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:41 am
# John believed that the things that he wrote about would happen soon, within his own lifetime. After nearly 2000 years, believers still believe that "the time is at hand" and that the events described in Revelation will "shortly come to pass." 1:1, 3
# "Every eye shall see him," including those who executed him. Everyone will "wail because of him." But millions have lived and died without ever seeing him coming "with clouds." 1:7
# John quotes Jesus (1900 years ago) as saying, "Behold, I come quickly." 3:11, 22:7, 12, 20
These three are already covered in this thread already on their true biblical definition which that whole site completely misquoted.
A day is a like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day.
when 7,000 years have occurred he is coming. (look at the guild front page, look at all the war, famines, plaques, and other disasters happening worse and worse at once, these are the signs before he comes.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:41 am
Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand. They got the flood wrong, the date of creation, the order of creation, the literal definition is certainly false, the flood is false and prophecies are merely hoaxes. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.htmlTo put it simply, when Jews found a messiah, they were looking for one to begin with and it happened during a time when Roman occupation was brutal and harsh to them. During that time, many people were claiming to be the messiah. So it's no surprise that someone became the messiah. Also I'm not saying that the bible doesn't have fact, but just because there is historical documentation does not make it all true and it certainly does not make it divine. WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians. That doesn't matter one bit considering that you made the same claim. Now if you looked at this link, you would understand why you have no argument. You are only spreading lies about Christianity. All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies. So let's take a look at what you just did. You put in a rant over how the entire site was bullshit and to give me evidence, you just sourced random acts of both fact and fiction. How does this mean anything? All this proves is that you did not read the Talk Origins article.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:45 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason What did they get wrong in Genesis huh? confused Also it proves the authenticity of the dates of some of the oldest books in existence. The book of Isaiah is one of the old testament books before Jesus was born. It even prophesied about his existence before hand. They got the flood wrong, the date of creation, the order of creation, the literal definition is certainly false, the flood is false and prophecies are merely hoaxes. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH110.htmlTo put it simply, when Jews found a messiah, they were looking for one to begin with and it happened during a time when Roman occupation was brutal and harsh to them. During that time, many people were claiming to be the messiah. So it's no surprise that someone became the messiah. Also I'm not saying that the bible doesn't have fact, but just because there is historical documentation does not make it all true and it certainly does not make it divine. WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians. That doesn't matter one bit considering that you made the same claim. Now if you looked at this link, you would understand why you have no argument. You are only spreading lies about Christianity. All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies. So let's take a look at what you just did. You put in a rant over how the entire site was bullshit and to give me evidence, you just sourced random acts of both fact and fiction. How does this mean anything? All this proves is that you did not read the Talk Origins article. All this proves from you is that you haven't read everything that the bible says, according to how the bible defines it, you DIDN'T DIG DEEPER. I didn't rant, I listed everything that the website mistranslated all of those texts inside the bible, your debating what the bible says on people's opinions of what it says, I simply corrected the wrong way it was said.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:48 am
Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians. That doesn't matter one bit considering that you made the same claim. Now if you looked at this link, you would understand why you have no argument. You are only spreading lies about Christianity. All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies. So let's take a look at what you just did. You put in a rant over how the entire site was bullshit and to give me evidence, you just sourced random acts of both fact and fiction. How does this mean anything? All this proves is that you did not read the Talk Origins article. All this proves from you is that you haven't read everything that the bible says, according to how the bible defines it, you DIDN'T DIG DEEPER. I didn't rant, I listed everything that the website mistranslated all of those texts inside the bible, your debating what the bible says on people's opinions of what it says, I simply corrected the wrong way it was said. I don't need to read all of it to know a lot of it is not true, especially when it makes claims that the entire world was flooded but they built a wooden ship the size of the titanic and somehow fit every animal in it when all the species of dung beetles alone couldn't fit in the ship. Or when it claims there was only one man and one woman when clearly there was more to human origins than that.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:00 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason WATCHTOWER = Non Christians.They claim to be Christians but deny many principles that God has spoken of in the bible, including Jesus as diving, thus making them non-christians. That doesn't matter one bit considering that you made the same claim. Now if you looked at this link, you would understand why you have no argument. You are only spreading lies about Christianity. All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies. So let's take a look at what you just did. You put in a rant over how the entire site was bullshit and to give me evidence, you just sourced random acts of both fact and fiction. How does this mean anything? All this proves is that you did not read the Talk Origins article. All this proves from you is that you haven't read everything that the bible says, according to how the bible defines it, you DIDN'T DIG DEEPER. I didn't rant, I listed everything that the website mistranslated all of those texts inside the bible, your debating what the bible says on people's opinions of what it says, I simply corrected the wrong way it was said. I don't need to read all of it to know a lot of it is not true, especially when it makes claims that the entire world was flooded but they built a wooden ship the size of the titanic and somehow fit every animal in it when all the species of dung beetles alone couldn't fit in the ship. Or when it claims there was only one man and one woman when clearly there was more to human origins than that. Get your facts straight, look up this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1594557/postsFrom that you are saying that it would be impossible to fit two of every animal in it when it has three different decks at least? It is also very long, and actually it was flooded...especially since what you said earlier when you showed me that first website was a total contradiction, and NO there was first ADAM. God pulled EVE from his ribcage. SCIENCE states that caveman existed, maybe so, but NOT BIBLICALLY IN THE SAME TIMELINE. (Made big to stand out, not to make it sound louder)
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:54 pm
Silent Harry Mason Obscurus So how do the prophets and apostles and all that know they were communicating with God? How could they tell the difference between God and a demon trying to trick them if demons can mimic angels, etc.? First of all the prophets and apostles wouldn't even be those for real had it been that God spoke to them, there are blessings that have followed these people so how would they have that if they were talking to Satan? You have a good point there though. The prophets would have been striked down under the law if they were doing the will of Satan(back in the old testament days, not to say any of them were perfect. The apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit( a trait to those who are saved) and they probably often read the teachings prior to what was going on around them, God helped them to understand what they were taught in their everyday practices.That is another way things can get mixed up because people believe it sometimes that they are seeing the will of God and are doing his will, such as the story behind the person who started Jehovah's witnesses, the thing behind it rips and changes the meaning of the bible basically completely. Definitely by what God had written down before them, the bible says to put on the whole armor of God so that you can stand in the evil day, they would probably stay close to God, if they were hearing or seeing something that was in opposition to what was written down, they would know to stay away from it because it doesn't line up with what they already know God said. God doesn't allow Satan to deceive his people if they stay close to him. If everything we know about God has been communicated through people in contact with him then how do we determine the validity of those very first communications? How do we know that they weren't communicating with a demon or something from the very first instance? The assumption is that only God spoke at first and laid down the rules for everything after that. How do we know it was God in the first place? How do we know that people weren't deceived by something else? Or that God didn't misrepresent Himself to sound better than he actually was? I think I'm getting across what I'm trying to say. If not, let me know and I'll try again.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:24 pm
Obscurus Silent Harry Mason Obscurus So how do the prophets and apostles and all that know they were communicating with God? How could they tell the difference between God and a demon trying to trick them if demons can mimic angels, etc.? First of all the prophets and apostles wouldn't even be those for real had it been that God spoke to them, there are blessings that have followed these people so how would they have that if they were talking to Satan? You have a good point there though. The prophets would have been striked down under the law if they were doing the will of Satan(back in the old testament days, not to say any of them were perfect. The apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit( a trait to those who are saved) and they probably often read the teachings prior to what was going on around them, God helped them to understand what they were taught in their everyday practices.That is another way things can get mixed up because people believe it sometimes that they are seeing the will of God and are doing his will, such as the story behind the person who started Jehovah's witnesses, the thing behind it rips and changes the meaning of the bible basically completely. Definitely by what God had written down before them, the bible says to put on the whole armor of God so that you can stand in the evil day, they would probably stay close to God, if they were hearing or seeing something that was in opposition to what was written down, they would know to stay away from it because it doesn't line up with what they already know God said. God doesn't allow Satan to deceive his people if they stay close to him. If everything we know about God has been communicated through people in contact with him then how do we determine the validity of those very first communications? How do we know that they weren't communicating with a demon or something from the very first instance? The assumption is that only God spoke at first and laid down the rules for everything after that. How do we know it was God in the first place? How do we know that people weren't deceived by something else? Or that God didn't misrepresent Himself to sound better than he actually was? I think I'm getting across what I'm trying to say. If not, let me know and I'll try again. Well then the whole bible would be a lie, if that is the case it would be in vain that anyone has done anything, however that is up to belief correct? But the thing is if it were a lie, it would eventually go away. Anyways if Jesus were on the earth like he said, and he was a liar what attracted his disciples and apostles to make such claims about his life only to be put to death? On another note I have this. Quote: The Bible does indeed contain all truth, so that it could fulfill the following expectation: (2 Timothy 3:16-17) ". . .All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." That does not mean that when it quotes accounts by liars, such as Satan, Jezebel, the Pharisees, and other misrepresentatives, that it agrees with them, but it records tha actual truths of the situations involved! Also, if the bible is read out of context, of course you could find so-called errors in it. Like that dumb website below that the last person posted. At any rate I can't make anyone believe everything or anything, I know for certain it is true because of the verse above.
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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:59 pm
Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies. So let's take a look at what you just did. You put in a rant over how the entire site was bullshit and to give me evidence, you just sourced random acts of both fact and fiction. How does this mean anything? All this proves is that you did not read the Talk Origins article. All this proves from you is that you haven't read everything that the bible says, according to how the bible defines it, you DIDN'T DIG DEEPER. I didn't rant, I listed everything that the website mistranslated all of those texts inside the bible, your debating what the bible says on people's opinions of what it says, I simply corrected the wrong way it was said. I don't need to read all of it to know a lot of it is not true, especially when it makes claims that the entire world was flooded but they built a wooden ship the size of the titanic and somehow fit every animal in it when all the species of dung beetles alone couldn't fit in the ship. Or when it claims there was only one man and one woman when clearly there was more to human origins than that. Get your facts straight, look up this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1594557/posts From that you are saying that it would be impossible to fit two of every animal in it when it has three different decks at least? It is also very long, and actually it was flooded...especially since what you said earlier when you showed me that first website was a total contradiction, and NO there was first ADAM. God pulled EVE from his ribcage. SCIENCE states that caveman existed, maybe so, but NOT BIBLICALLY IN THE SAME TIMELINE. (Made big to stand out, not to make it sound louder) And what would the other decks fill? all the species of fire ants? You obviously do not see the problems with the flood, so I will leave you this. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html Now if you still want to argue the flood, then so be it, but now you can't claim ignorance.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:44 am
God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason God Emperor Akhenaton Silent Harry Mason All right first of all that thread in itself is a misquote, you have no argument for that was referring more to a spiritual separation, not only to a fleshly separation. In the case of the first post, giving us each a death in this life, and a spiritual death in the next. IN FACT THAT WHOLE PAGE IS A LIE! Abraham was given ISRAEL for his people, God gave Cain that lady, but he was exiled from out of God's sight, The Egyptian Captivity is 400 years , and there are a few different versions. Big deal, I got you on three strikes already. Abraham's descendants now equals the Israelites, and his descendants have been made large, they have prospered, and you realize that the possible reason for them being small at the moment is because they were cut off on so many occasions right? They are building right now, more and more Jews are still coming. On the note that it states he would not give him inheritance, he gave it to the Israelites as the land of Israel after 400 years of Egyptian rule. And as for Jacob being renamed Israel, Israel means God strives, and it again depends on the translation and context of how he meant it, along with the next two below. Judah and Benjamin weren't split before Solomon's Idolatry after David died. In fact I just proved so many of those wrong already that I'll just stop there, that whole site is full of garbage and lies. So let's take a look at what you just did. You put in a rant over how the entire site was bullshit and to give me evidence, you just sourced random acts of both fact and fiction. How does this mean anything? All this proves is that you did not read the Talk Origins article. All this proves from you is that you haven't read everything that the bible says, according to how the bible defines it, you DIDN'T DIG DEEPER. I didn't rant, I listed everything that the website mistranslated all of those texts inside the bible, your debating what the bible says on people's opinions of what it says, I simply corrected the wrong way it was said. I don't need to read all of it to know a lot of it is not true, especially when it makes claims that the entire world was flooded but they built a wooden ship the size of the titanic and somehow fit every animal in it when all the species of dung beetles alone couldn't fit in the ship. Or when it claims there was only one man and one woman when clearly there was more to human origins than that. Get your facts straight, look up this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1594557/posts From that you are saying that it would be impossible to fit two of every animal in it when it has three different decks at least? It is also very long, and actually it was flooded...especially since what you said earlier when you showed me that first website was a total contradiction, and NO there was first ADAM. God pulled EVE from his ribcage. SCIENCE states that caveman existed, maybe so, but NOT BIBLICALLY IN THE SAME TIMELINE. (Made big to stand out, not to make it sound louder) And what would the other decks fill? all the species of fire ants? You obviously do not see the problems with the flood, so I will leave you this. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html Now if you still want to argue the flood, then so be it, but now you can't claim ignorance. Still using the same site to prove facts that I have already dismissed? And ignorance? Do you realize that things that apply today may have been slightly different so long ago? Do you realize that the level of hardness inside the wood could have been different due to the gravitational effects prior to having no sea as in the bible claims? You didn't check a lot of that information. It isn't taking literal entire families or species, just the general family. Call me ignorant, but look at all the faulty stuff you have showed me so far. And one more thing, why do you think that God couldn't have hold the boat together during such harsh storms? He is God, Omnipotent, all powerful, all knowing. And remember we are debating the bible here, not how things are now, and God is still here now. You realize that before the oceans have come through, that many scientists have speculated that gravity wasn't as harsh, thus allowing things to grow bigger? EX: Animals, Plant life, Insects. The trees would have been much bigger as well, and yes animals would be bigger, but then again you realize we had less limitations on gravity and that allowed us to grow much larger as well, muscle mass would be larger, including the brain. We would have been smarter. Argue all of this now. Explain why so many fossils have been found on mountains. Did the just get blasted there by a comet or a volcano? Explain why it didn't cause ALL of them to plummet, and realize that these aren't all plants or birds as well. http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-88961.html Yes I suppose earthquakes or volcanic activity could account for causing things to move around....doesn't explain how everything fixed itself...:/ It's like saying that when a pillar falls down, movements underground are going to manage it to move back into place. And I'm aware of the idea of plates moving, it still isn't going to magically put itself back into the same position.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:17 am
I just found out earlier that aliens were demons. I really like this thread. I can't wait to meet you in heaven.
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