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Death Penalty: please read first post before voting
for it
31%
 31%  [ 10 ]
against it
31%
 31%  [ 10 ]
mixed ground
37%
 37%  [ 12 ]
Total Votes : 32


chaoticpuppet
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:43 pm


xdarktigress
It is far less expensive to just kill them off than to pay to have a bunch of criminals sit around and watch cable TV. No, prison isn't glamorous or fun like they show in movies or TV, but the fact that we pay to provide them with soft bedding, food and other luxuries is a problem (If I had it my way, we'd follow the Chinese way of dealing with prisoners. If the family doesn't bring them food, they starve to death.). Point being, its less expensive to kill them.

Actually it is far more expensive to kill them than to let them rot in prison. We taxpayers end up paying for all their appeals, of which there are so many, which help to ensure we have caught the right person. Now, if we took those appeals away, we would be far less accurate on who commited the crime, but then your statement would be right, that it would be cheaper to kill them. But, the appeals are so very expensive, and that is what drives up the cost of killing the prisoner.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:51 pm


chaoticpuppet
xdarktigress
It is far less expensive to just kill them off than to pay to have a bunch of criminals sit around and watch cable TV. No, prison isn't glamorous or fun like they show in movies or TV, but the fact that we pay to provide them with soft bedding, food and other luxuries is a problem (If I had it my way, we'd follow the Chinese way of dealing with prisoners. If the family doesn't bring them food, they starve to death.). Point being, its less expensive to kill them.

Actually it is far more expensive to kill them than to let them rot in prison. We taxpayers end up paying for all their appeals, of which there are so many, which help to ensure we have caught the right person. Now, if we took those appeals away, we would be far less accurate on who commited the crime, but then your statement would be right, that it would be cheaper to kill them. But, the appeals are so very expensive, and that is what drives up the cost of killing the prisoner.
...I learn something new everyday

Marjuari_the_elemental


Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 12:53 am


chaoticpuppet
xdarktigress
It is far less expensive to just kill them off than to pay to have a bunch of criminals sit around and watch cable TV. No, prison isn't glamorous or fun like they show in movies or TV, but the fact that we pay to provide them with soft bedding, food and other luxuries is a problem (If I had it my way, we'd follow the Chinese way of dealing with prisoners. If the family doesn't bring them food, they starve to death.). Point being, its less expensive to kill them.

Actually it is far more expensive to kill them than to let them rot in prison. We taxpayers end up paying for all their appeals, of which there are so many, which help to ensure we have caught the right person. Now, if we took those appeals away, we would be far less accurate on who commited the crime, but then your statement would be right, that it would be cheaper to kill them. But, the appeals are so very expensive, and that is what drives up the cost of killing the prisoner.


Actually, its less expensive to pay $200 for a begining lawyer who is basically working his job as an internship (That's if we have to pay the lawyer, most times the guy is paying for a better one) five times then to pay the $2500 per prisoner per year for food alone. We won't go into the clothing, heating, and bedding costs (Not to mention the cable TV). If we have a few appeals and kill the man off, then we're saving money in the long run because instead of having the man drain money for 25 years, he only does so for 10 or 15 years.

Appeals only cost money if we have to pay for the lawyers, which in most cases we don't.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:12 am


just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.

Feathered_stones


Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:32 pm


Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.

death deserves death, but id it deserves worse, hang em, cause its the worst execution legal in any state.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:44 pm


Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.


...I know I would rather die than rot in jail

Marjuari_the_elemental


Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:46 pm


Schildkrote
Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.

death deserves death, but id it deserves worse, hang em, cause its the worst execution legal in any state.


That's a pretty cruel way to kill someone. What if their neck doesn't snap when they fall? Then they suffocate to death, which draws out for like a minute or two.

In anycase, I'm for the death penalty, as long as its humane and not cruel.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:47 pm


xdarktigress
In anycase, I'm for the death penalty, as long as its humane and not cruel.

Kind of oxymoronic isn't it?

chaoticpuppet
Crew


Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:36 pm


chaoticpuppet
xdarktigress
In anycase, I'm for the death penalty, as long as its humane and not cruel.

Kind of oxymoronic isn't it?


Not really. There are cruel ways to kill people, (ie: burning, shooting, racking, flogging, crucifying) and there are merciful ways to kill people (injections, guillotine). Pretty much if it hurts them when they die, its cruel. Needles don't hurt, well, compared to getting electroshocked to death and they are asleep and unable to tell that they are actually dying when they do die. If that even makes any sense.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:12 pm


Marjuari_the_elemental
Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.


...I know I would rather die than rot in jail


Ditto that.

Lotus88


Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:52 pm


Tigress Dawn
Schildkrote
Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.

death deserves death, but id it deserves worse, hang em, cause its the worst execution legal in any state.


That's a pretty cruel way to kill someone. What if their neck doesn't snap when they fall? Then they suffocate to death, which draws out for like a minute or two.

In anycase, I'm for the death penalty, as long as its humane and not cruel.
not breaking their neck was the idea. thats only for stuff like the oklahoma city bombing, cause that b*****d set the bomb off right below the childcare. whatever that deserves, it wasnt a peaceful death like he got.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:21 pm


Schildkrote
Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.

death deserves death, but id it deserves worse, hang em, cause its the worst execution legal in any state.

Actually, hanging is only legal in some states; each state sets their own execution laws.

chaoticpuppet
Crew


Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:30 am


chaoticpuppet
Schildkrote
Feathered_stones
just in my opinion, if you have done something that bad to deserve the death, then you don't deserve it. Death is much to forgiving for those kinds of people.

death deserves death, but id it deserves worse, hang em, cause its the worst execution legal in any state.

Actually, hanging is only legal in some states; each state sets their own execution laws.
i said in any state cause i think NH is the only one left, and even here you only get the death penalty for capitol murder(as in of a police officer, fire fighter, or soldier)
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:32 am


I think that the only reason for punishment/praise should be to try and modify behaviour.

If it is deemed impossible to modify this person's behaviour in a way that would allow them to function in a fair society, then it's fine to kill them.

Also, I think that nowadays there are ways to kill people that are completely painless, and leave the organs undamaged and able to be used.

If you say that life is precious, and therefore noone should ever be killed;
Well, why not just replace them with a new person?
Kill them, then have a child.

Mechanism


chaoticpuppet
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:49 am


Contingent
If it is deemed impossible to modify this person's behaviour in a way that would allow them to function in a fair society, then it's fine to kill them.
Well, do you not think that a system like this could become easily corrupt? That it could eventually lead to something like a political purge? What about the mentally retarded, or those who have severe psychological problems?

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Also, I think that nowadays there are ways to kill people that are completely painless, and leave the organs undamaged and able to be used.
We all have the idea that some death types are actually painless, but, in reality is that so? Have we any empirical evidence to suggest otherwise?

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If you say that life is precious, and therefore noone should ever be killed;
Well, why not just replace them with a new person?
Kill them, then have a child.

Is that really the same as replacing a person?
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